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Old 02-05-2011, 09:14 PM   #126
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Plumb crazy - I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........
To be honest.
If the Camaro weren't around, I would have a plum Crazy Challenger SRT8.


I'm glad I don't have to worry about that though.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:18 PM   #127
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Well -- I'm sorry that you feel the Camaro is a disappointment (maybe I'm not quite understanding everything you're saying.....)

We could have 'rushed' the car -- but that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yes -- you saw the Camaro in Transformers....let me assure you that the whole idea of putting the Camaro in Transformers was hotly debated. On one side - there's your argument: Show the car longgggg before it will hit the streets. I'm glad we did it and I will also venture to say that it's one of the reasons the Camaro has been so successful. (every child sees a Camaro and sees "Bumblebee!"...)

Yes - Chrysler beat us to the punch - but when you look at the differences between a Challenger and Charger versus a Camaro and the Holden Zeta - you'll see that we essentialy have a new car in the Camaro - everything from the cowl forward had to be clean-sheet......

I have yet to see a Challenger convertible - so you are talking about the Mustang....and I beg you to go drive a Mustang Convertible and then a Camaro convertible - simply no comparison.......none! (ask any of the Camaro Disciples that have driven both...)

Plumb crazy - I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........

Houndstooth? Very retro - and available thru SLP.

Will we tell you everything that's planned? Absolutely not - simply because, as you point out - this is a very competitive business.....and we are not going to show our cards before we need to.

Pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago.

I think Challenger and Mustang owners may be disappointed - esp. because the Camaro is outselling them - and January once again showed that there is a preference for Camaro.

We don't want to disappoint our customers - but I'll promise you this:

We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

And - as Number 3 points out - we also had to deal with Bankruptcy.......


I will say this for the 20 millionth time: Have Faith. I haven't steered this enthusiast community wrong yet - and I don't intend to..........

Just WOW!!
I can feel what's coming from your tone.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:23 PM   #128
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Well -- I'm sorry that you feel the Camaro is a disappointment (maybe I'm not quite understanding everything you're saying.....)

We could have 'rushed' the car -- but that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yes -- you saw the Camaro in Transformers....let me assure you that the whole idea of putting the Camaro in Transformers was hotly debated. On one side - there's your argument: Show the car longgggg before it will hit the streets. The other side was to say "No thanks -- use a Mustang or a BMW or a VW".......can you imagine? I'm glad we put the Camaro in the movie (as, I think, most enthusiasts agree) and I will also venture to say that it's one of the reasons the Camaro has been so successful. (every child sees a Camaro and sees "Bumblebee!"...)

Yes - Chrysler beat us to the punch - but when you look at the differences between a Challenger and Charger versus a Camaro and the Holden Zeta - you'll see that we essentially have a new car in the Camaro - everything from the cowl forward had to be clean-sheet......plus a whole lot of other stuff..........AND -- keep in mind that we were still trying to support 8 Divisions - whereas Chrysler had three. I'll also put the current GM Portfolio up against Chrysler's current portfolio -- and I think you'll agree that we invested a LOT of money -and that's why our products are winning in the marketplace......(count the number of new cars and trucks that Chrysler has introduced since January 9, 2006 and today - versus GM............see what I mean?

I have yet to see a Challenger convertible - so I have to assume that the Challenger owners are 'disappointed' as well. Yes, Mustang has a convertible.....they've been buildind it longer.... I beg you to go drive a Mustang Convertible and then a Camaro convertible - there is simply no comparison.......(ask any of the Camaro Disciples that have driven both...or read the road tests from auto journalists)

Plumb crazy is an 'interesting' color - and I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........I'll bet you dinner that the numbers will be very low.......

Houndstooth? Very retro - and available thru SLP.

Will we tell you everything that's planned? Absolutely not - simply because, as you point out - this is a very competitive business.....and we are not going to show our cards before we need to.

Pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago. I don't think you'd be 'disappointed'......

I think Challenger and Mustang owners may be disappointed - esp. because the Camaro is outselling them - and January once again showed that there is a preference for Camaro.


Now - I don't mean to belittle your points or to take them lightly.

We don't want to disappoint our customers - but I'll promise you this:

We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

Lastly- as Number 3 points out - we also had to deal with Bankruptcy.......


I will say this for the 20 millionth time:

Have Faith.

I don't believe I've steered the Camaro Enthusiast community wrong yet - and I don't intend to..........

Let's chat Thursday!

All I can say is AMEN!
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:28 PM   #129
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We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

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If the Camaro weren't around, I would have a plum Crazy Challenger SRT8.


I'm glad I don't have to worry about that though.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:35 PM   #130
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haha, nice goin fbodfather, all very good points and points ive stressed before, really most of the 'disappointment' that comes across the Camaro enthusiests is, as previously stated, because someone posts a wish-list and it becomes such a hot topic we take it as gospal when in fact no GM officials ever mentioned anything about it. I agree with a lot of what you said, much better to wait for something really amazing then get something mediocre really quick (which is the debate for the Z/28, personally id rather see a Z take a little longer than anticipated and rival the Ford Boss 302 than satisfy the flesh-hungry enthusiests and toss out a supercharged GT500 rival just so they can say "i own a Z/28", but thats me, id rather see the name done the way it was in the beginning lol)

As for the plumb crazy Challenger, thats the oonnllyy thing i disagree on, plumb crazy was amazing and even if the Challenger is worst in performance id still consider purchasing one in that color, its just an amazing color and an amazing piece of challenger heritage....now put a vinyl top on it, LOL, okay just kidding there...
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:39 PM   #131
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Looks like next week is going to be very enlightening to say the least, time to hit the sack, have to work Sunday to help pay for my new next car .
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:42 PM   #132
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I love it when Fbodfather speaks. That is the philosophy that I want to hear.

Based on some of the comments I have read on this thread, this may be old news. This speculation is fun to read and participate in. This announcement could be anything, but I am believing it will be special too. I will mention that I heard a rumor this past week that sounded feasible to me. A version of the TransAm might be coming back. No time frame and I don't have any personal insight or pipeline. Just a casual mention from someone that just might know. I hope I am not starting a false rumor, but it did sound exciting.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:54 PM   #133
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For Pontiac Trans Am to come back, Pontiac would have to come back. Pontiac is not coming back anytime soon. Just sayin.
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:55 PM   #134
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I love it when Fbodfather speaks. That is the philosophy that I want to hear.

Based on some of the comments I have read on this thread, this may be old news. This speculation is fun to read and participate in. This announcement could be anything, but I am believing it will be special too. I will mention that I heard a rumor this past week that sounded feasible to me. A version of the TransAm might be coming back. No time frame and I don't have any personal insight or pipeline. Just a casual mention from someone that just might know. I hope I am not starting a false rumor, but it did sound exciting.
mmm, you're speaking my languaaggee <3 hahaha
Just as long as its a Pontiac, its like the Cuda, its an extremely legendary car (being the last of the original big cube muscle cars) and it cant be done by anyone but Pontiac, Chevy T/A or Buick T/A wont be tolerated...as is with Plymouth and the Cuda
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My 2 cents is that its most likely gonna be another synergy varient, we havent heard really anything about it since its first announcement so im thinkin GM will want to add some spice to that...

...now my wishful thinking? Id love to see a Chevelle, something to battle the Dodge Charger which honestly is in a class of its own right now with everyone focusing on the pony cars. Only thing is it, as well as the charger, should have a 2-door option at least.
And other than that id especially love to see a super N/A Camaro like what Ford will be doing with the Boss 302, only thing is lets not get into naming it yet cause we all know how touchy that subject gets... LOL
Or a Firebird, dear god how sweet it would be if their big announcement was a Firebird and along with that they dropped another bomb shell "Pontiac is back" baahhh im gonna go cry into my pillow now...
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Yes, Fbodfather mentioned Firebird enthusiasts in his message....I forgot about that, when I read that it made me wonder if GM had plans to remake that model...there was a Firebird conversion done recently to a Camaro body....hmmm, quite possibly this could be the Camaro based platform then.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:00 PM   #136
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Please pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago. I don't think you'd be 'disappointed'......

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Yes, Fbodfather mentioned Firebird enthusiasts in his message....I forgot about that, when I read that it made me wonder if GM had plans to remake that model...there was a Firebird conversion done recently to a Camaro body....hmmm, quite possibly this could be the Camaro based platform then.

I dont say Pontiac is dead for good because i respect fbodfather's signature quote..."keep the faith"
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:10 PM   #138
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Well the Camaro is a story in it's own right. But as we are here enthusiastically discussing a simple rumor is it fair to say it was a disapointing story?

But I get your point. I can see where some might have been disappointed.
That was my only point, I just wanted to express how hard it was for all of us Camaro fans; it was a disappointing time while waiting. But we are so glad that the general is back!!
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mmm, you're speaking my languaaggee <3 hahaha
Just as long as its a Pontiac, its like the Cuda, its an extremely legendary car (being the last of the original big cube muscle cars) and it cant be done by anyone but Pontiac, Chevy T/A or Buick T/A wont be tolerated...as is with Plymouth and the Cuda
the other issue is there are no big cube engines anymore either.
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the other issue is there are no big cube engines anymore either.
I'd say that 392 cubic inches is pretty big (new SRT8 Challenger), and obviously ... 427 is even bigger (Z06 Corvette).
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I'd say that 392 cubic inches is pretty big (new SRT8 Challenger), and obviously ... 427 is even bigger (Z06 Corvette).
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I'd say that 392 cubic inches is pretty big (new SRT8 Challenger), and obviously ... 427 is even bigger (Z06 Corvette).
lol, indeed...i mean Pontiac's 400 wasnt a big block, it wasnt a small block but it wasnt a big block haha, but my point was the T/A 400 was the last big cube motor of the oldin' days, even if it wasnt a big block.
But i would definatly love to see a new T/A, be cool to have a 6.6L motor in it too but thats wishful thinking (even though it was really a 6.5 haha, but who's picky? Besides, the 392 Hemi is really a 391 LOL) Just having a Pontiac Trans Am back would be too amazing...a T/A, a GTO, and maybe a tiny 2-seat turbo car not unlike the Solstice was only...better lol, none of that Vibe crap or G6 re-badged Cobalt stuff
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Yes, Fbodfather mentioned Firebird enthusiasts in his message....I forgot about that, when I read that it made me wonder if GM had plans to remake that model...there was a Firebird conversion done recently to a Camaro body....hmmm, quite possibly this could be the Camaro based platform then.

I will never say never---------cuz never is a long time..........


But GM bringing back the Firebird? As much as I wish we were - and yes, I wish we were..........go here for more on that: www.aintgonnahappen.com...........
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Rumour mill tells me it's a Zeta based Chevy Impala / Chevelle ala GB replacement

But I for some time have been expecting a FIREBIRD / TRANS AM variant
eg:The plant Tour coming up in June

- Camaros & Firebirds are welcome to the GM / OCC Show
(The Ontario Camaro Club has never invited Firebirds before)

It's nice to dream eh!

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Pontiac isn't coming back.

The Firebird isn't coming back.
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Guess what movie is on TV right now... A movie that made me want to get this beautiful car. They know what they are doing.

The GM team has done a lot for us, providing us with this great new car. In return, we have done a lot for them buy purchasing so many of them. WE are on top at the moment. Do we have the fastest at the moment? Maybe not. Of course WE want to be the best, but being the BEST takes time. Be happy with what you have, I'm not sure why anyone should be disappointed. Patience. I'm pumped to see what knew car is in store, but I know I have one out in the garage I waited for, so I can wait again.
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What?


WHAT????


Dont make me dig out the front wheel drive thread.... Im pretty sure you put out some serious future product info......
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wellnow..........let me see.........


*gets out recipe box*


*gets out cookbook*


*gets out "mom" Settlemire's recipes*




What SHALL we serve your words with............????


Hmmmmm


Perhaps a marinara sauce?



...........mebbe pesto? (one of my favorites)




........or perhaps toss them very simply with a bit of salt, pepper, and a smidge of butter.........





........and would you like fries with that?





By the way - why do you say we disappoint people?

By any stretch, the new Camaro's doing great. (and no, we're not resting on our laurels....)

The Corvette ZR1

The CTS-V

The LaCrosse

The Cruze

The Verano

The Regal GS

The Volt

The Equinox (STILL can't build enough of 'em)

.....Tidbit: Chevrolet outsold Toyota in January by over 25,000 units.......and Ford by over 4,000.

That is not meant to be arrogant - but we really ARE trying - and we really are on a roll - and America is starting to realize that we offer some of the world's best vehicles....

Chevrolet is also the fastest growing automobile brand in the world..........

.........not sure why you feel we disappoint peopile...........

Personally, I like "ARROGANCE" ....

I own 3 of the vehicles listed above currently, Camaro, CTS-V (2011) and Z06 and have 3 other GM vehicles

I love being "ARROGANT" with the 2010 Camaro.

Not to long ago, I was at an event in Orlando, called the "Festival of Speed" in which their were cars that cost in excess of $1.5 million dollars, over 120 exotics on display and a 2010 Camaro stole the show by getting 1 of 10 awards , "Chairman's Award" It wasn't the vinyl wrap that got their attention, it was what one judged commented "the lines of the Camaro, just ooze sex appeal"

And in regards to what GM is not releasing about HP / Z28 , I like it that way! It's like unwrapping a present you hinted you wanted, but don't know for sure until it's unwrapped......................
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MO a Comin!

GM could resurrect a Trans AM under the GMC label without resurrecting Pontiac. Almost sounds like Easter doesn't it? I just want to know if / when we can start placing orders and putting in down payments with a dealer who will be able to deliver! Any dealers on the board here amongst the highest volume?

And, with all the emphasis on performance from F & C I believe that, now that their financial handcuffs are off, and GM admittedly playing catch up, we will probably start to see them moving faster and gaining momentum on a broader spectrum of products. Can't wait for Wednesday!

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GM could resurrect a Trans AM under the GMC label without resurrecting Pontiac. Almost sounds like Easter doesn't it?
I can't even begin to tell you how wrong that statement is. Absolutely not. No.

Not trying to be mean. Just sayin'.

Lack of brand direction is partly what got GM into trouble in the first place. Selling a performance coupe under a brand that has already been established for selling mid-level trucks, SUVs, and CUVs is a terrible idea.
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