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Old 02-05-2011, 09:52 PM   #120
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I think might be the unveil of the Grand National. I bumped into 2 GM engineers at the Grand Floridian in WDW in Dec. They overheard me talking about my 2010 and a conversation ensued. I asked if there were any other cool new retro models coming out. They hinted about a Buick that was "hot in the 80's", that would be a zeta 2 frame car, that GM had sucessfully kept very quiet. That would be very sweet news.
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I think might be the unveil of the Grand National. I bumped into 2 GM engineers at the Grand Floridian in WDW in Dec. They overheard me talking about my 2010 and a conversation ensued. I asked if there were any other cool new retro models coming out. They hinted about a Buick that was "hot in the 80's", that would be a zeta 2 frame car, that GM had sucessfully kept very quiet. That would be very sweet news.

Oh crap don't say that I owned one and loved mine, if they made another I would have a tuff decision between that and the new camaro. I think my wife would notice both of them in the drive way if I bought one of each .
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:58 PM   #122
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Of course as I was talking to them as the bar tender kept refilling my drink, and handing me shots of Patron. So much that I wasnt able to do that math for the tip at the end of the night. So if GM knows which Engineers were at the Grand Floridian in December, I was drunk and they never hinted at anything, nor would I have remembered if they had.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:00 PM   #123
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The Grand National was the only bad ass car of the 80's. How sweet would that be? Im still a Camaro guy, but Id love to see that car back with a nasty V6 turbo. My wife would even be willing to part with her 06 SER Altima for one of those. That would make me very happy.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:10 PM   #124
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The Grand National was the only bad ass car of the 80's. How sweet would that be? Im still a Camaro guy, but Id love to see that car back with a nasty V6 turbo. My wife would even be willing to part with her 06 SER Altima for one of those. That would make me very happy.
A friend of mine owned a Grand National GNX edition talk about a sweet limited edition muscle car. Was to rich for my blood at the time, but he had deep pockets obviously. Took it to the track alot, then bought a twin turbo porsche (if it had wings on it, I bet it could go air born).
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:11 PM   #125
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In all due respect,

....Seeing the concept Camaro and the Transformers movie over, and over, and over, and over again waiting for the REAL thing was the ultimate car tease ever in the history of....well ever in the history of anything! As the "F" and "C" companies were putting out some cases two retro based models, us Chevy fans could only drool in anticipation. Again in all due respect, I would classify that as "disappointment"

....and while those same other companies put out Convertibles, "HEMI", BOSS 302's and "500" additions and key activated track modes; again us Camaro fans could still do nothing but drool… and again in all due respect, I would classify that as "disappointment" as well...

....having to see a cobalt Blue, Sublime Lime or Plumb Crazy rides out there with no Hugger Orange w/hounds tooth Camaros would also qualify as "disappointment".

Now please do not take this as negative, as I still love GM vehicles over all other brands....but, I must admit GM has disappointed us loyal customers.

So if GM does not want to Disappoint us customers tell us what's happening and what is planed, heck it makes no difference to the "F" and "C" companies they have all shown their cards.

Just saying;

Well -- I'm sorry that you feel the Camaro is a disappointment (maybe I'm not quite understanding everything you're saying.....)

We could have 'rushed' the car -- but that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yes -- you saw the Camaro in Transformers....let me assure you that the whole idea of putting the Camaro in Transformers was hotly debated.

On one side - there's your argument: Show the car longgggg before it will hit the streets.

The other side was to say "No thanks -- use a Mustang or a BMW or a VW".......

Can you imagine? I'm glad we put the Camaro in the movie (as, I think, most enthusiasts agree) and I will also venture to say that it's one of the reasons the Camaro has been so successful. (every child sees a Camaro and sees "Bumblebee!"...)

Yes - Chrysler beat us to the punch - but when you look at the differences between a Challenger and Charger versus a Camaro and the Holden Zeta - you'll see that we essentially have a new car in the Camaro - everything from the cowl forward had to be clean-sheet......plus a whole lot of other stuff..........

-- keep in mind that we were still trying to support 8 Divisions back in 2006- whereas Chrysler had three. I'll put the current GM Portfolio up against Chrysler's current portfolio -- and I think you'll agree that we invested a LOT of money in the past 4-5 years -and that's why our products are winning in the marketplace......(count the number of new cars and trucks that Chrysler has introduced since January 9, 2006 and today - versus GM............see what I mean? And lest we forget: The Mustang is Ford's Corvette. The Challenger is Chrysler's Corvette. (for now) I will be more than happy to take them to Spring Mountain with their best - and introduce them to something called a Z06 - or a ZR1..........(and we ain't done yet!)

I have yet to see a Challenger convertible - so I have to assume that the Challenger owners are 'disappointed' as well. Yes, Mustang has a convertible....

I beg you to go drive a Mustang Convertible and then a Camaro convertible - there is simply no comparison.......(ask any of the Camaro Disciples that have driven both...or read the road tests from auto journalists)

Plumb crazy is an 'interesting' color - and I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........I'll bet you dinner that the numbers will be very low.......and while this is very subjective, the only ones I've seen are in shows or on dealers' lots.......I have yet to see one being driven..........

Houndstooth? Very retro - and available thru SLP.

Will we tell you everything that's planned? Absolutely not - simply because, as you point out - this is a very competitive business.....and we are not going to show our cards before we need to.

Please pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago. I don't think you'd be 'disappointed'......

I think Challenger and Mustang owners may be disappointed - esp. because the Camaro is outselling them - and January once again showed that there is a preference for Camaro.


Now - I don't mean to belittle your points or to take them lightly. To do that implies that we are invincible - and we are not.

Rest assured that the last thing we want to do is to disappoint our customers - that said:

We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

Lastly- as Number 3 points out - we also had to deal with Bankruptcy.......


I will say this for the 20 millionth time:

Have Faith.

I don't believe I've steered the Camaro Enthusiast community wrong yet - and I don't intend to..........

Let's chat Thursday!
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:14 PM   #126
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Plumb crazy - I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........
To be honest.
If the Camaro weren't around, I would have a plum Crazy Challenger SRT8.


I'm glad I don't have to worry about that though.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:18 PM   #127
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Well -- I'm sorry that you feel the Camaro is a disappointment (maybe I'm not quite understanding everything you're saying.....)

We could have 'rushed' the car -- but that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yes -- you saw the Camaro in Transformers....let me assure you that the whole idea of putting the Camaro in Transformers was hotly debated. On one side - there's your argument: Show the car longgggg before it will hit the streets. I'm glad we did it and I will also venture to say that it's one of the reasons the Camaro has been so successful. (every child sees a Camaro and sees "Bumblebee!"...)

Yes - Chrysler beat us to the punch - but when you look at the differences between a Challenger and Charger versus a Camaro and the Holden Zeta - you'll see that we essentialy have a new car in the Camaro - everything from the cowl forward had to be clean-sheet......

I have yet to see a Challenger convertible - so you are talking about the Mustang....and I beg you to go drive a Mustang Convertible and then a Camaro convertible - simply no comparison.......none! (ask any of the Camaro Disciples that have driven both...)

Plumb crazy - I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........

Houndstooth? Very retro - and available thru SLP.

Will we tell you everything that's planned? Absolutely not - simply because, as you point out - this is a very competitive business.....and we are not going to show our cards before we need to.

Pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago.

I think Challenger and Mustang owners may be disappointed - esp. because the Camaro is outselling them - and January once again showed that there is a preference for Camaro.

We don't want to disappoint our customers - but I'll promise you this:

We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

And - as Number 3 points out - we also had to deal with Bankruptcy.......


I will say this for the 20 millionth time: Have Faith. I haven't steered this enthusiast community wrong yet - and I don't intend to..........

Just WOW!!
I can feel what's coming from your tone.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:23 PM   #128
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Well -- I'm sorry that you feel the Camaro is a disappointment (maybe I'm not quite understanding everything you're saying.....)

We could have 'rushed' the car -- but that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yes -- you saw the Camaro in Transformers....let me assure you that the whole idea of putting the Camaro in Transformers was hotly debated. On one side - there's your argument: Show the car longgggg before it will hit the streets. The other side was to say "No thanks -- use a Mustang or a BMW or a VW".......can you imagine? I'm glad we put the Camaro in the movie (as, I think, most enthusiasts agree) and I will also venture to say that it's one of the reasons the Camaro has been so successful. (every child sees a Camaro and sees "Bumblebee!"...)

Yes - Chrysler beat us to the punch - but when you look at the differences between a Challenger and Charger versus a Camaro and the Holden Zeta - you'll see that we essentially have a new car in the Camaro - everything from the cowl forward had to be clean-sheet......plus a whole lot of other stuff..........AND -- keep in mind that we were still trying to support 8 Divisions - whereas Chrysler had three. I'll also put the current GM Portfolio up against Chrysler's current portfolio -- and I think you'll agree that we invested a LOT of money -and that's why our products are winning in the marketplace......(count the number of new cars and trucks that Chrysler has introduced since January 9, 2006 and today - versus GM............see what I mean?

I have yet to see a Challenger convertible - so I have to assume that the Challenger owners are 'disappointed' as well. Yes, Mustang has a convertible.....they've been buildind it longer.... I beg you to go drive a Mustang Convertible and then a Camaro convertible - there is simply no comparison.......(ask any of the Camaro Disciples that have driven both...or read the road tests from auto journalists)

Plumb crazy is an 'interesting' color - and I'm anxious to see how many of them get built and sold.........I'll bet you dinner that the numbers will be very low.......

Houndstooth? Very retro - and available thru SLP.

Will we tell you everything that's planned? Absolutely not - simply because, as you point out - this is a very competitive business.....and we are not going to show our cards before we need to.

Pay attention to the sites on Wednesday from Chicago. I don't think you'd be 'disappointed'......

I think Challenger and Mustang owners may be disappointed - esp. because the Camaro is outselling them - and January once again showed that there is a preference for Camaro.


Now - I don't mean to belittle your points or to take them lightly.

We don't want to disappoint our customers - but I'll promise you this:

We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

Lastly- as Number 3 points out - we also had to deal with Bankruptcy.......


I will say this for the 20 millionth time:

Have Faith.

I don't believe I've steered the Camaro Enthusiast community wrong yet - and I don't intend to..........

Let's chat Thursday!

All I can say is AMEN!
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:28 PM   #129
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We would much rather 'disappoint' you by taking longer to bring you the best products - rather than 'disappoint' you by producing and delivering an inferior product.

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If the Camaro weren't around, I would have a plum Crazy Challenger SRT8.


I'm glad I don't have to worry about that though.
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:35 PM   #130
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haha, nice goin fbodfather, all very good points and points ive stressed before, really most of the 'disappointment' that comes across the Camaro enthusiests is, as previously stated, because someone posts a wish-list and it becomes such a hot topic we take it as gospal when in fact no GM officials ever mentioned anything about it. I agree with a lot of what you said, much better to wait for something really amazing then get something mediocre really quick (which is the debate for the Z/28, personally id rather see a Z take a little longer than anticipated and rival the Ford Boss 302 than satisfy the flesh-hungry enthusiests and toss out a supercharged GT500 rival just so they can say "i own a Z/28", but thats me, id rather see the name done the way it was in the beginning lol)

As for the plumb crazy Challenger, thats the oonnllyy thing i disagree on, plumb crazy was amazing and even if the Challenger is worst in performance id still consider purchasing one in that color, its just an amazing color and an amazing piece of challenger heritage....now put a vinyl top on it, LOL, okay just kidding there...
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Old 02-05-2011, 10:39 PM   #131
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Looks like next week is going to be very enlightening to say the least, time to hit the sack, have to work Sunday to help pay for my new next car .
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I love it when Fbodfather speaks. That is the philosophy that I want to hear.

Based on some of the comments I have read on this thread, this may be old news. This speculation is fun to read and participate in. This announcement could be anything, but I am believing it will be special too. I will mention that I heard a rumor this past week that sounded feasible to me. A version of the TransAm might be coming back. No time frame and I don't have any personal insight or pipeline. Just a casual mention from someone that just might know. I hope I am not starting a false rumor, but it did sound exciting.
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For Pontiac Trans Am to come back, Pontiac would have to come back. Pontiac is not coming back anytime soon. Just sayin.
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I love it when Fbodfather speaks. That is the philosophy that I want to hear.

Based on some of the comments I have read on this thread, this may be old news. This speculation is fun to read and participate in. This announcement could be anything, but I am believing it will be special too. I will mention that I heard a rumor this past week that sounded feasible to me. A version of the TransAm might be coming back. No time frame and I don't have any personal insight or pipeline. Just a casual mention from someone that just might know. I hope I am not starting a false rumor, but it did sound exciting.
mmm, you're speaking my languaaggee <3 hahaha
Just as long as its a Pontiac, its like the Cuda, its an extremely legendary car (being the last of the original big cube muscle cars) and it cant be done by anyone but Pontiac, Chevy T/A or Buick T/A wont be tolerated...as is with Plymouth and the Cuda
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My 2 cents is that its most likely gonna be another synergy varient, we havent heard really anything about it since its first announcement so im thinkin GM will want to add some spice to that...

...now my wishful thinking? Id love to see a Chevelle, something to battle the Dodge Charger which honestly is in a class of its own right now with everyone focusing on the pony cars. Only thing is it, as well as the charger, should have a 2-door option at least.
And other than that id especially love to see a super N/A Camaro like what Ford will be doing with the Boss 302, only thing is lets not get into naming it yet cause we all know how touchy that subject gets... LOL
Or a Firebird, dear god how sweet it would be if their big announcement was a Firebird and along with that they dropped another bomb shell "Pontiac is back" baahhh im gonna go cry into my pillow now...
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Yes, Fbodfather mentioned Firebird enthusiasts in his message....I forgot about that, when I read that it made me wonder if GM had plans to remake that model...there was a Firebird conversion done recently to a Camaro body....hmmm, quite possibly this could be the Camaro based platform then.
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