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Old 02-06-2011, 01:43 PM   #1
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K&N Typhoon CAI Illegal here. Thoughts?

Hi All. I am planning on buying the K&N CAI, but I read on their site that is is not street leagal here in AZ (and several other states).

Has this stopped anyone from buying it? I'd like to know your thoughts!

The K&N looks to be the best CAI solution for me...I am not doing a tune and I like the polished metal look VS. the black plastic tube on others and the estimated HP gain (while not much for any of them W/O a tune) is 18HP...not bad.

Please let me know what you think, and if anyone from AZ has bought one (Or any of the other states in which it is illegal).

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Old 02-06-2011, 01:44 PM   #2
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Why would an air filter be illegal?
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cally has a law like this too
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Old 02-06-2011, 01:58 PM   #4
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Well... not advocating violating any laws... but I assume you have a yearly (?) Vehicle inspection? K&N looks to be about a 20-30 min install, if that; hang on to your stock for inspections and swap em out.
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Well... not advocating violating any laws... but I assume you have a yearly (?) Vehicle inspection? K&N looks to be about a 20-30 min install, if that; hang on to your stock for inspections and swap em out.
What he said. I'm really sick of being told what I can and can't do with my private property in this free country. Not a political statement, just a fact. This is a prime example of why you guys should all join the SEMA Action Network.
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Soon they will be regulating your house temperatures and how/when often you can grill, in order to conserve energy and fight global warming, it's a law they are discussing in California.
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:28 PM   #7
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They're already trying that here in Texas. Soft sell style.

CPS (local energy company) last summer asked all customers to allow CPS to install a new thermostat (for free) that would allow them to shut the A/C down for up to 15 minutes at a time throughout the day to "help alleviate system overload."

They said it would help lower the customer's bill as lower usage would drop total energy used. Of course they didn't mention the drain it would take when the A/C kicked back on again. And if they can control the thermostat to shut it off, what's to stop them from changing the actual temperature. So naturally I didn't take the bait and still have control of my own thermostat.

Here's the web page talking about it if you don't believe me (read the link on "peak saver" for the CPS shut down controls):
http://www.cpsenergy.com/Residential...aver/index.asp
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:30 PM   #8
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We sure do, but that didnt stop me.
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:32 PM   #9
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We sure do, but that didnt stop me.
Good for you. Tell them to take that law and stick it.
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:48 PM   #10
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Good for you. Tell them to take that law and stick it.
LOL, my thoughts when i inatalled it.
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:51 PM   #11
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Wow I didn't even know they could be illegal!!! Superchargers too??

But I don't think they have the right to open your hood if there are no "Decals" or what not... or Do they???
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Old 02-06-2011, 02:54 PM   #12
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Wow I didn't even know they could be illegal!!! Superchargers too??

But I don't think they have the right to open your hood if there are no "Decals" or what not... or Do they???
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an officer can tell you to pop your hood without a legitimate reason.

The K&N is "illegal" because of emissions. If you have a yearly inspection, do like Drago said, and keep the stock one around to swap it back on for inspections.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an officer can tell you to pop your hood without a legitimate reason.

The K&N is "illegal" because of emissions. If you have a yearly inspection, do like Drago said, and keep the stock one around to swap it back on for inspections.


But these cars dont require a smog for the next 5 yrs. So yes keep ur stock and enjoy it if u decide to go without.
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Oh and if you refuse to pop the hood they'll ding u for sumn else and possibly inpound ur ride. Has happened to friends of mine.
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how much emissions could a CAI put out ?
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The cops there can actually ticket you on the road for cai mods!?!?!? Sounds like a good court challenge. Unless the agency is training/certifying them mechanically, how does the average cop know the difference??? I never would have a few yrs ago!!!
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The cops there can actually ticket you on the road for cai mods!?!?!? Sounds like a good court challenge. Unless the agency is training/certifying them mechanically, how does the average cop know the difference??? I never would have a few yrs ago!!!
i dont think thats the problem. (getting pulled over) i think its about there inspection they have like every 5 years or something like that
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Old 02-06-2011, 04:16 PM   #18
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To the OP:
Show me ANYONE that has gained more than 5-8whp from any K&N intake, on a Camaro. If you just like the look of a metal tube in your engine bay, that's fine. If you really think that heat absorbing metal tube is going to give you 18whp, you're sadly mistaken. I'd highly suggest you do a little more research into what people are ACTUALLY getting with parts and quit trusting what any manufacturer claims. If you trust what the manufacturer claims, you should be running Splitfires or E3's, Zmax, and a tornado. By their clamis, you should have your Camaro in the 400whp range with under a $100 in parts.

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Why would an air filter be illegal?
It's not the airfilter, it's the scavenging filters. The OEM setup has a filter that catches CO2 or something like that. Any setup that isn't enclosed AND has the special filters won't be emmissions legal. Seeing that it takes a rediculous amount of time to do testing and the cost associated with it, it's typically not cost efficient to get the certification.

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how much emissions could a CAI put out ?
How much emmissions does it add by moving the cats 6in further back to allow LT's with the stock cats? Absolutely ZERO, but that's the law.

While i'm not a tree hugging environmentalist, take the minute amount of emmissions that's put out and mulitply it by several million. That's where they're going with these laws. There are many other areas that pollute the air considerably worse than cars but that's another thread.
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It makes me wonder how much information on star is sending to them to watch us?
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What he said. I'm really sick of being told what I can and can't do with my private property in this free country. Not a political statement, just a fact. This is a prime example of why you guys should all join the SEMA Action Network.
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They're already trying that here in Texas. Soft sell style.

CPS (local energy company) last summer asked all customers to allow CPS to install a new thermostat (for free) that would allow them to shut the A/C down for up to 15 minutes at a time throughout the day to "help alleviate system overload."

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Here's the web page talking about it if you don't believe me (read the link on "peak saver" for the CPS shut down controls):
http://www.cpsenergy.com/Residential...aver/index.asp
i'm sorry i read that. i'm getting to be " over the hill" but ( the goverment ) is just ......... well you get the idea.i sit here in my home.i read some of this and i think . ( i just stop myslef). wow you go to war you make it though to the other side and you see some of this stuff and think what the h. i guess we look at the plus side and say ok. but this a hard bill to take.
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Thanks to all who responded. We don't have annual inspections here in AZ and I don't think I will need a smog check for 3 to 5 years. I guess I "get" the emissions deal, and I agree with many of you that the government is perhaps getting a tad too much "in our face".
I would like to see the data on how much "dirter" the CAI's are compared to the stock intake. My guess is that it isn't much.
Thanks again to all! I didn't expect to see this many responses!

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Thanks to all who responded. We don't have annual inspections here in AZ and I don't think I will need a smog check for 3 to 5 years. I guess I "get" the emissions deal, and I agree with many of you that the government is perhaps getting a tad too much "in our face".
I would like to see the data on how much "dirter" the CAI's are compared to the stock intake. My guess is that it isn't much.
Thanks again to all! I didn't expect to see this many responses!

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well CAI are pretty good when you have headers and a tune. a CAI alone isnt a huge performance gain. but i would still get one for the sound and the engine bay will look better. thats just me.
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:47 AM   #25
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I have the typhoon and would recommend a diffrent kind such as an over the radiator. It looks good but just doesnt give you much of anything as far as hp gains. I published my results on the dyno a while back with stock runs and runs after installation. I realize there are so many variables with dynos and conditions but it just didnt pan out for me. I got a 1hp gain. There are better intakes out there I think. As far being legal, just keep the stock intake for a quick swap in the event of a fix-it ticket (CA).
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