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Old 02-07-2011, 09:43 AM   #1
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Exclamation ARH Headers and Borla Atak

Has anyone run this setup without a tune? How does the car run?
Currently I have the Vararam V2 intake and will be adding the ARH 1 7/8" LT's with the Borla ATAK axleback. I was worried about tuning the car and warranty issues. I was also worried that without a tune the car would throw a code and not run right.
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:46 AM   #2
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The car only throws the o2 sensor code. it will run perfectly fine, its just throwing the code because its flowing more air through the exhaist at the location of the sensors.Everything else on the car wll run perfectly fine
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:05 AM   #3
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Has anyone run this setup without a tune? How does the car run?
Currently I have the Vararam V2 intake and will be adding the ARH 1 7/8" LT's with the Borla ATAK axleback. I was worried about tuning the car and warranty issues. I was also worried that without a tune the car would throw a code and not run right.
Everyone says they don't want to mess with they're warranty but want to install aftermarket Performance parts.

Please Think about this for a minute.

Installing any aftermarket performance parts has the Same Risk of denying warranty coverage as a Tune does.

People who frequent this site are looking to personalize they're cars, and this is what this Hobby it is all about.

Pretty Much any aftermarket performance parts will require custom tuning for the car to run optimal and prevent codes.

We are all after Optimizing the Performance of our Cars.

This is why I run the Tune Program I run, buy your parts from me get tunes for those parts for free.

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Old 02-07-2011, 10:12 AM   #4
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I would imagine ARH (catless) and ATAK is going to be loud as all holy hell...
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:16 AM   #5
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I have the hi flow cats, but am having the 02 sensors tuned out so I can run no cats later on if I want to.

But as far as the warranty goes, if I do have a problem they would have to prove that the headers and exhaust were the culprit correct?
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:20 AM   #6
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itll def through a code with out a tune but it will run fine
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Old 02-07-2011, 10:24 AM   #7
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So the car won't run too lean/rich and won't run in "Limp" mode?
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I have the hi flow cats, but am having the 02 sensors tuned out so I can run no cats later on if I want to.

But as far as the warranty goes, if I do have a problem they would have to prove that the headers and exhaust were the culprit correct?
It depends on your service manager...

Where I have my work done they put it pretty simply..anything I add onto they were fine with as long as it was bolt on and I understand any damage or failure to those products would have to be covered by the supplier, not GM obviously.

But....If I tuned anything, my powertrain was gone. Now, you might get lucky and get around this or have a real muscle head service manager who may work with you. However, any major work (I believe) the shop has to contact GM for processing a warranty claim and they will check for any previous tunes. I don't want to mislead you...but it seems that is the point many C5 members get tied up.

I am still teaching myself this whole process, but I imagine it would be pretty easy for them to ARTICULATE that the tune could have added stress and potentially caused the failure...that is all the need as "proof". It seems based on the people I have talked to in service, that if he is doing his job and has GM as his best interest a tune would tie you up. Not 100%, but that is where they will press the issue of transmission failure based on your modifications...not the header itself. I don't think there is a likelihood that headers would cause the failure themselves and a good manager knows that..
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:03 AM   #9
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I have the complete ARH 1 7/8's exhaust and I have not tuned the car. It seems to run perfectly fine (I have had it on since June). The car has thrown a 'check engine light' a couple of times but it has gone out both times within a couple of days... no check engine light for a long time now. In reading the forums, it sounds like I may be in the minority with no engine light. One thing that I did was to put four brand new sensors into the new exhaust (rather than pull the old ones out).
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I have the complete ARH 1 7/8's exhaust and I have not tuned the car. It seems to run perfectly fine (I have had it on since June). The car has thrown a 'check engine light' a couple of times but it has gone out both times within a couple of days... no check engine light for a long time now. In reading the forums, it sounds like I may be in the minority with no engine light. One thing that I did was to put four brand new sensors into the new exhaust (rather than pull the old ones out).
Basically the Light goes on a few times then gives up warning you but the Codes are Still there in Memory.

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Old 02-07-2011, 11:26 AM   #11
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Basically the Light goes on a few times then gives up warning you but the Codes are Still there in Memory.

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So without a tune , how much HP/TQ am I losing at the wheels without a tune?
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Old 02-07-2011, 11:33 AM   #12
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So without a tune , how much HP/TQ am I losing at the wheels without a tune?
HP/TQ is the least of what the tune does for you, about 5-10

What you get with a tune.
Maximum efficiency,
No annoying check engine lite or codes
Torque management elimination
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Old 02-07-2011, 12:13 PM   #13
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I guess what I'm asking, can running without a tune hurt the car at all?
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Old 02-07-2011, 12:15 PM   #14
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I guess what I'm asking, can running without a tune hurt the car at all?
As long as you don't mind the Check engine lite your good to go, and you won't pass emissions either.
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I would imagine ARH (catless) and ATAK is going to be loud as all holy hell...


Mine pre-tune with light take off. 2"x3" catless LT ARH's with ATAK axle back and roto-fab cai.

Those headers with Magnaflow comp series is even louder.
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HP/TQ is the least of what the tune does for you, about 5-10

What you get with a tune.
Maximum efficiency,
No annoying check engine lite or codes
Torque management elimination
Skip shift elimination
Rev limiter raised
Speed limiter raised
Fans ramped in earlier in temp range
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Etc.

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Don't forget the trans tune also! unless you guys don't do that with a package.
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As long as you don't mind the Check engine lite your good to go, and you won't pass emissions either.
Down in new orleans, you don't have to pass emissions for our brake tag
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Don't forget the trans tune also! unless you guys don't do that with a package.
Yes TCM fully tuned and AFM turned off also, I was focused on LS3 when writing that..
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Correct it's an LS3
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You won't have any issues except for the CEL without a tune. Enjoy your new headers!
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is this with or without high flow cats??? will it pass emissions with a high flow cat??
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is this with or without high flow cats??? will it pass emissions with a high flow cat??
It would need the cats and a custom tune to pass emissions.

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is this with or without high flow cats??? will it pass emissions with a high flow cat??
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It would need the cats and a custom tune to pass emissions.

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Ted is correct. I recommend a tune to get the most amount of power with the headers as possible
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