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Old 02-10-2011, 12:38 PM   #18
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GM pretty much said there will be on the chat last night.
I heard, but I'll believe it when I see it, at least for the 5th gen. It's been on again off again for at least two years now, and now they have the ZR1. That will make, what, 6 different trim levels? I don't see them adding a 7th, since things like that are a big part of what put them into bankruptcy in the first place.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:43 PM   #19
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I think most of you folks know Chevrolet is still considering the Z28. Since we know what the ZL1 is, what would you want the Z28 to be?

Obviously we don't want to see the same car with a different badge so what say you?

My wish list for a 5th gen Z is:

1. No RS - make standard headlights the DRLs. This will allow you to....
2. Remove fog lights. Use that space for real front brake duct work and/or air intake.
3. Functional rear brake cooling ducts.
4. A/C delete (this will drop 100 pounds out of the car). Make it optional.
5. No auto.
6. Drivetrain (tranny back), suspension, brakes and exhaust from the ZL1.
7. Lightest production wheels possible.
8. Track pack option which deletes back seat, all sound insulation, the 50 pounds of caulking, rubber floor mat instead of carpet and light weight racing seats.
9. ZR1 engine is okay but consider the upcoming 5.5.

Bottom line is that I would like to see an all business car.

Moderators can move this thread once a Z28 section is re-created (you are going to need it).

Prettey much have a drag strip car than only. I remember people asking for this on the fourth gen and it got shot down by GM.

By a vette if you want all this.
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I heard, but I'll believe it when I see it, at least for the 5th gen. It's been on again off again for at least two years now, and now they have the ZR1. That will make, what, 6 different trim levels? I don't see them adding a 7th, since things like that are a big part of what put them into bankruptcy in the first place.
I disagree. History will treat this camaro team well. They really went to the enthusiasts and history on this one (5th gen) like never before and are delivering products which satisfy our expectations. Z will be part of that.
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something that can come damn close to go toe to toe with the Z06 out of the box, and keep it NA!
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Prettey much have a drag strip car than only. I remember people asking for this on the fourth gen and it got shot down by GM.

By a vette if you want all this.
But I don't have any grey hair......
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:50 PM   #23
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I think most of you folks know Chevrolet is still considering the Z28. Since we know what the ZL1 is, what would you want the Z28 to be?

Obviously we don't want to see the same car with a different badge so what say you?
Think cheap Z06...

An LS7-engined torque monster, full carbon fiber hood, carbon fiber trunk lid, no automatic, no sunroof, no back seats, no sound proofing, no leather, no HIDs, no OnStar... all else would be ZL-1 spec, but with simpler suspension built for the track only, and maybe even lighter wheels, 4 colors only (black, white, red, yellow).

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if they did one it would have to be an inexpensive to produce option. My thoughts would lead them toward an ss with a more wild cam and or tune. Suspension tweaks and brake upgrades. I would also see it as a manual only car with a short throw standard. Different wheels an minor tweaks like a graphics package. I wouldn't expect anything to drastic. I would think it would follow closly with Fords BOSS 302.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:07 PM   #25
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I would like to see the Z28 as a performance package available on several trim levels.
1. Delete of several items, like AC and much of the sound insulation.
2. Wheels lighter than any available now.
3. Racing seats
4. Choice of several rear end ratios.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:09 PM   #26
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I disagree. History will treat this camaro team well. They really went to the enthusiasts and history on this one (5th gen) like never before and are delivering products which satisfy our expectations. Z will be part of that.

It's possible, but honestly it doesn't make any sense from a financial perspective. Generically, the ZR1 is what everyone assumed the Z28 would be, and honestly really just represents GM playing catch-up to Ford - which was their primary reason for bringing back the Camaro in the first place. Now, they will have a trim level for pretty much every realistic price range for the 5th gen. Any new factory trim level is therefore going to be in competition with an already existing one, anything above that would put it in competition with the Vette. This is part of what got them into bankruptcy in the first place, so it is certainly possible that they will do it again. I just don't believe they will.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:10 PM   #27
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Just curious on where this hang up is for lightweighting the car. The only thing Lightweight about the original Z28 was that it had a smaller displacement engine that was lighter than the highest HP big blocks, but that was required by the rules for racing. Otherwise it was mostly parts bin stuff.

So I'm just wondering why everyone seems so hung up on having the car be lighter than the car is? That starts to sound like Mustang envy to me.

I'm not sure there was ever a Z28 that had "special" light weight materials or lack of materials over the stock car.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
To me shaving weight is like adding hp and torque. Plus the benefit in a production car of better fuel economy and handling.

No the Z28 did not have special light weight materials, but in Gen 1 you could pick and choose almost every detail if you wanted. And yes I know that not economically feasible any more.

I'm far from a Mustang person, but Ford has allot going for them in the GT 350 & Boss 302 as far as options.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:16 PM   #28
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if they did one it would have to be an inexpensive to produce option. My thoughts would lead them toward an ss with a more wild cam and or tune. Suspension tweaks and brake upgrades. I would also see it as a manual only car with a short throw standard. Different wheels an minor tweaks like a graphics package. I wouldn't expect anything to drastic. I would think it would follow closly with Fords BOSS 302.

This I could agree with, no way it's going to be anything more than some minor tweaks and different badging. The problem with this, though, is that it's not going to be enough to make anyone that already owns a 5th gen be willing to take a bath on their current car in order to upgrade to a Z28, so their target market is going to be those that have considered and already rejected purchasing a 5th gen. I'm not sure that even those small changes would be cost effective in that respect.
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There isn't going to be a Z28.
I agree; with the ZL1 set to come out there will be no Z28.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:23 PM   #30
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I'm guessing the only way any of us are getting a Z-28 now is if we buy some badges and swap them out on the Zl1. Obviously, this IS the Z designation car for now.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:28 PM   #31
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The Z28 was the name I wanted...but if they have any inkling of using this name on a track-spec Camaro...it's not the formula of car I'd want...so I can't say I'm committed any longer to the name (at least I mean I wouldn't buy it).

The goal, I think, should be a no excuses; take no prisoners factory race car...show the "Boss" how it's done. It won't be for everyone, it'll be uncomfortable, and it'll be impractical. They'll sell few of them...but they'll be the envy of every racer and racer-wannabe in the market.

For those completely discounting it...don't. The Z28 is as hallowed, or more, of a name as ZL1. Chevy knows this...and they won't let it rot for the greatest generation of Camaro to date...just don't expect it to appear anytime soon...they're STILL testing the ZL1...
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:29 PM   #32
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I think most of you folks know Chevrolet is still considering the Z28. Since we know what the ZL1 is, what would you want the Z28 to be?

Obviously we don't want to see the same car with a different badge so what say you?

My wish list for a 5th gen Z is:

1. No RS - make standard headlights the DRLs. This will allow you to....
2. Remove fog lights. Use that space for real front brake duct work and/or air intake.
3. Functional rear brake cooling ducts.
4. A/C delete (this will drop 100 pounds out of the car). Make it optional.
5. No auto.
6. Drivetrain (tranny back), suspension, brakes and exhaust from the ZL1.
7. Lightest production wheels possible.
8. Track pack option which deletes back seat, all sound insulation, the 50 pounds of caulking, rubber floor mat instead of carpet and light weight racing seats.
9. ZR1 engine is okay but consider the upcoming 5.5.

Bottom line is that I would like to see an all business car.

Moderators can move this thread once a Z28 section is re-created (you are going to need it).
No RS? I hope you mean by no RS meaning take away the dumb DRL's and keep the halo lights because the old fashion lights are ugly and take away from the cars aggressive looks. The Z28 is suppose to be more like a track car vs a drag car. I would be interested in more carbon fiber usage than the ZL1.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:30 PM   #33
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5.5L motor, with no boost adders. make it scream
19'x10 Forged aluminum rims(ssx??) with PS2 tires. make it as nimble as possible
MRS shocks/struts, 6 pot brembos(ZL1 suspension)
Simular drive train from the SS.
Interior would be the same as the SS2 with recaro seats. rear seat delete.
Areo package outside for downforce.
Loads of cooling from the outside for the brakes.
What ever doesnt need to be there take it out. save all the weight you can.
better rear end gear.
tie down and stiffen the suspension.

just want gm to take there time on the z28. like what ford is doing with the boss. perfect this track oriented car. set a bench mark car and destory it.
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Btw we should all agree that the Boston Acoustic sound system should go. We need a better system in these amazing cars.
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