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Old 02-10-2011, 12:09 PM   #26
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I disagree. History will treat this camaro team well. They really went to the enthusiasts and history on this one (5th gen) like never before and are delivering products which satisfy our expectations. Z will be part of that.

It's possible, but honestly it doesn't make any sense from a financial perspective. Generically, the ZR1 is what everyone assumed the Z28 would be, and honestly really just represents GM playing catch-up to Ford - which was their primary reason for bringing back the Camaro in the first place. Now, they will have a trim level for pretty much every realistic price range for the 5th gen. Any new factory trim level is therefore going to be in competition with an already existing one, anything above that would put it in competition with the Vette. This is part of what got them into bankruptcy in the first place, so it is certainly possible that they will do it again. I just don't believe they will.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:10 PM   #27
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Just curious on where this hang up is for lightweighting the car. The only thing Lightweight about the original Z28 was that it had a smaller displacement engine that was lighter than the highest HP big blocks, but that was required by the rules for racing. Otherwise it was mostly parts bin stuff.

So I'm just wondering why everyone seems so hung up on having the car be lighter than the car is? That starts to sound like Mustang envy to me.

I'm not sure there was ever a Z28 that had "special" light weight materials or lack of materials over the stock car.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
To me shaving weight is like adding hp and torque. Plus the benefit in a production car of better fuel economy and handling.

No the Z28 did not have special light weight materials, but in Gen 1 you could pick and choose almost every detail if you wanted. And yes I know that not economically feasible any more.

I'm far from a Mustang person, but Ford has allot going for them in the GT 350 & Boss 302 as far as options.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:16 PM   #28
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if they did one it would have to be an inexpensive to produce option. My thoughts would lead them toward an ss with a more wild cam and or tune. Suspension tweaks and brake upgrades. I would also see it as a manual only car with a short throw standard. Different wheels an minor tweaks like a graphics package. I wouldn't expect anything to drastic. I would think it would follow closly with Fords BOSS 302.

This I could agree with, no way it's going to be anything more than some minor tweaks and different badging. The problem with this, though, is that it's not going to be enough to make anyone that already owns a 5th gen be willing to take a bath on their current car in order to upgrade to a Z28, so their target market is going to be those that have considered and already rejected purchasing a 5th gen. I'm not sure that even those small changes would be cost effective in that respect.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:21 PM   #29
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There isn't going to be a Z28.
I agree; with the ZL1 set to come out there will be no Z28.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:23 PM   #30
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I'm guessing the only way any of us are getting a Z-28 now is if we buy some badges and swap them out on the Zl1. Obviously, this IS the Z designation car for now.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:28 PM   #31
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The Z28 was the name I wanted...but if they have any inkling of using this name on a track-spec Camaro...it's not the formula of car I'd want...so I can't say I'm committed any longer to the name (at least I mean I wouldn't buy it).

The goal, I think, should be a no excuses; take no prisoners factory race car...show the "Boss" how it's done. It won't be for everyone, it'll be uncomfortable, and it'll be impractical. They'll sell few of them...but they'll be the envy of every racer and racer-wannabe in the market.

For those completely discounting it...don't. The Z28 is as hallowed, or more, of a name as ZL1. Chevy knows this...and they won't let it rot for the greatest generation of Camaro to date...just don't expect it to appear anytime soon...they're STILL testing the ZL1...
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:29 PM   #32
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I think most of you folks know Chevrolet is still considering the Z28. Since we know what the ZL1 is, what would you want the Z28 to be?

Obviously we don't want to see the same car with a different badge so what say you?

My wish list for a 5th gen Z is:

1. No RS - make standard headlights the DRLs. This will allow you to....
2. Remove fog lights. Use that space for real front brake duct work and/or air intake.
3. Functional rear brake cooling ducts.
4. A/C delete (this will drop 100 pounds out of the car). Make it optional.
5. No auto.
6. Drivetrain (tranny back), suspension, brakes and exhaust from the ZL1.
7. Lightest production wheels possible.
8. Track pack option which deletes back seat, all sound insulation, the 50 pounds of caulking, rubber floor mat instead of carpet and light weight racing seats.
9. ZR1 engine is okay but consider the upcoming 5.5.

Bottom line is that I would like to see an all business car.

Moderators can move this thread once a Z28 section is re-created (you are going to need it).
No RS? I hope you mean by no RS meaning take away the dumb DRL's and keep the halo lights because the old fashion lights are ugly and take away from the cars aggressive looks. The Z28 is suppose to be more like a track car vs a drag car. I would be interested in more carbon fiber usage than the ZL1.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:30 PM   #33
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5.5L motor, with no boost adders. make it scream
19'x10 Forged aluminum rims(ssx??) with PS2 tires. make it as nimble as possible
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Interior would be the same as the SS2 with recaro seats. rear seat delete.
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Loads of cooling from the outside for the brakes.
What ever doesnt need to be there take it out. save all the weight you can.
better rear end gear.
tie down and stiffen the suspension.

just want gm to take there time on the z28. like what ford is doing with the boss. perfect this track oriented car. set a bench mark car and destory it.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:34 PM   #35
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There isn't going to be a Z28.
I kinda agree if ford is only gonna do the Boss for 2 years, why make a Z-28 to go after a mustang GT when you have the SS ?
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:46 PM   #36
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:46 PM   #37
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I think most of you folks know Chevrolet is still considering the Z28. Since we know what the ZL1 is, what would you want the Z28 to be?

Obviously we don't want to see the same car with a different badge so what say you?

My wish list for a 5th gen Z is:

1. No RS - make standard headlights the DRLs. This will allow you to....
2. Remove fog lights. Use that space for real front brake duct work and/or air intake.
3. Functional rear brake cooling ducts.
4. A/C delete (this will drop 100 pounds out of the car). Make it optional.
5. No auto.
6. Drivetrain (tranny back), suspension, brakes and exhaust from the ZL1.
7. Lightest production wheels possible.
8. Track pack option which deletes back seat, all sound insulation, the 50 pounds of caulking, rubber floor mat instead of carpet and light weight racing seats.
9. ZR1 engine is okay but consider the upcoming 5.5.

Bottom line is that I would like to see an all business car.

Moderators can move this thread once a Z28 section is re-created (you are going to need it).
z28's history!..forget it!..they would only be competing with each other!..too
expensive to develop both of them!..just sayin!
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:58 PM   #38
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I don't see it happening in this generation. The ZL1 isn't even coming out until first quarter 2012, and the sixth generation is slated the drop in 2015 (if i'm not mistaken).

If it WERE to happen this generation, there is little R&D time left to really do anything but an SS with lightweight rims and many options deleted. Just my $0.02.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:00 PM   #39
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I'm thinking if a Z28 comes out it won't be until GM releases their new line of engines. Although I would like to se something along an SS with the addition of the Active Suspension and brake set up from the ZL1. Along with lighter parts, such as no power seats,lighter wheels and tires and the use of lighter materials in the body panels.

Basically doing something like they did with the Corvette when they used the Z06 parts to create the Corvette Gran Sport.
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:11 PM   #41
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Just curious on where this hang up is for lightweighting the car. The only thing Lightweight about the original Z28 was that it had a smaller displacement engine that was lighter than the highest HP big blocks, but that was required by the rules for racing. Otherwise it was mostly parts bin stuff.

So I'm just wondering why everyone seems so hung up on having the car be lighter than the car is? That starts to sound like Mustang envy to me.

I'm not sure there was ever a Z28 that had "special" light weight materials or lack of materials over the stock car.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
AGREE with you! I just dont remember is there was A/C or P/S delete. But they all had hand crank windows if I recall. AND they had a CHOICE of rear end gear ratios! I think GM would be wise to offer that from factory! I simply see the ZL1 as THE top dog! No wonderment about that!
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:20 PM   #42
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What's the one thing that all of the snob-blogs and Brand X fan boys hang their hats on? Weight. We know it. GM knows it. "THAT SLOMARO'S A PIGGG RARARARRR!" Even if it's a few percentile more that a Mustang and less than a Challenger, it's still the sole talking point with any merit whatsoever.

With the Alpha being lighter from the start and reportedly less costly, I feel that a 3600lb car with 450+ horses is possible for 50K. Things like forged carbon fiber will make lightweight materials more cost effective as time goes on.

That being said, my only requirement is for it to smoke the BOSS on any track known to man. Less weight, gearing, and a trick suspension should do it. We already have capable powerplants.

I have the utmost respect and admiration for the GM Team, and know it's not "if" but "when".
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Old 02-10-2011, 01:20 PM   #43
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something that can come damn close to go toe to toe with the Z06 out of the box, and keep it NA!
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It seems the new lightweight Alpha platform for the Gen6 Camaro is on the fast track. It would make a lot of sense to do a Challenger trick and introduce the Z-28 (only) for the first year of the Gen6 model. GM would have the best of both worlds if say they are selling a 2013 LS,LT,SS, and ZR1 and 2014 Z-28 all the same year. The Z-28 would be introduced with the new smaller V8 to compete against the Boss 302. This also gives some muscle car critic time to make corrections before changing the entire Camaro lineup to the Gen6 model.
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It seems the new lightweight Alpha platform for the Gen6 Camaro is on the fast track. It would make a lot of sense to do a Challenger trick and introduce the Z-28 (only) for the first year of the Gen6 model. GM would have the best of both worlds if say they are selling a 2013 LS,LT,SS, and ZR1 and 2014 Z-28 all the same year. The Z-28 would be introduced with the new smaller V8 to compete against the Boss 302. This also gives some muscle car critic time to make corrections before changing the entire Camaro lineup to the Gen6 model.
Doesn't work that way....:(
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Z/28 should be a Jay Leno Camaro. Twin Turbo v6.... because then you could get all the power you want... and get 30mpg!!! if it has to have a auto.... it better be awesome. but manual should be std.
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i think the z-28 should come with the lsx 454.
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1. I want it to be built
2. I want it to be in my driveway
3. I want it to kick the shit out of that stupid Boss Mustang.......

Thats pretty much it ...Oh yeah and I want it for 45k dollars or so.......
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I just dont want it to look like a stickered up import and an american muscle car got drunk at a bar one night and had an illegitimate child , which is what the Boss looks like to me..........
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