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Old 02-10-2011, 02:30 PM   #51
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AGREE with you! I just dont remember is there was A/C or P/S delete. But they all had hand crank windows if I recall. AND they had a CHOICE of rear end gear ratios! I think GM would be wise to offer that from factory! I simply see the ZL1 as THE top dog! No wonderment about that!
No A/C. Power steering and power windows were an option.
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Doesn't work that way....:(
As long as it's taken to get the ZL1 out, the Gen5 body is going loose it's edge before the Z-28 comes out. The ZL1 will be short term (Gen5 only) because of costs. How many of these are they really to sell at Corvette prices? Look for the Z-28 to replace it as a street fighter on the Gen6s.

Or maybe the new 5.5 liter will show up in the SS as a Z-28 option/upgrade? Now we're talking ..............
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Old 02-10-2011, 02:58 PM   #53
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Normally aspirated V8 that targets the Boss 302. Anything from a stripper model to being able to add some options if you want.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:01 PM   #54
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there are some lsx Camaros with twin turbos and/or superchargers...... its nets them around 650-700hp at the wheels plus with a tune and some money it 1000hp. but those are big money cars..... if you want 40-45k its going to be a twin turbo v6...... think bout it. you get crank windows and and no power anything..... pull out the back seats yourself.... that way its still cheap to insure.... track susp. and sick steering wheel z/28 only. a/c del could be an opt. but have you ever driving a car without a/c in 110 heat...or no heater in the cold weather... just not fun..... if they did it right besides engine noise diff. You couldnt tell between a high rev v8 and a sweet ttv6 with your eyes closed. just my 2 cents
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:10 PM   #55
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Z28 should be :
Based on the SS, but with more power,
lower ride height and firmer suspension
SSX wheels
different spoiler
option for recaros from the Caddy.

basically what the fourth gen SS was to the 4th gen z28. perhaps slp will even make them for GM. I think this is a reasonable and still profitable request. I really think given Fitz's responses during the webchat, the z28 is coming.... as Fbodfather says, just keep the faith.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:21 PM   #56
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Z28 should be :
Based on the SS, but with more power,
lower ride height and firmer suspension
SSX wheels
different spoiler
option for recaros from the Caddy.

basically what the fourth gen SS was to the 4th gen z28. perhaps slp will even make them for GM. I think this is a reasonable and still profitable request. I really think given Fitz's responses during the webchat, the z28 is coming.... as Fbodfather says, just keep the faith.
Yea, I don't think the Z-28 has to be too exotic. One thing us Chevy lovers forget is the Ford lovers only have the Mustang and no Corvette equilvalent. All Camaro decisions have to take in account what's going on with the Corvette. One of the reasons why we have to constantly wait on engine upgrades.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:43 PM   #57
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I don't think GM is going to give you a factory-built, warrantied minimalist race car, and I don't think they should, either, unless it's a limited-run version similar to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca will be. Even if the number of track-happy people who have the money for a car like that (and for any other cars they'll need for daily life) are well more than I think there are, I doubt that'll justify production.

In my opinion Z/28 should be what the Boss and Z06 are: a performance stepping stone between the civilized V8 and the supercar version. Some people will just want a car called a Z/28, with better-than-an-SS power and performance, but still everyday car practicality, and there's nothing at all wrong with that. In fact considering all the noise about heritage and proper usage of badging and all that, I'm surprised there isn't more calls for censure over the demands that the Z/28 be a stripped-down racer, something the historical car NEVER was out of the factory.

Give it the race-inspired suspension, wheels, tires, different gear ratio, better cooling, performance splitter, more aggressive exterior maybe, and all that, along with a naturally-aspirated powerplant in the 450-460hp range, to edge out the Boss (assuming Ford doesn't upgrade the Boss beyond that point by then), but NO supercharged LSA or any of that - ZL1 is the King Camaro and should stay there, out the factory door anyway. Some of the weight-saving stuff from the ZL1 like the carbon fiber hood mohawk are obvious possibilities.

And yeah there should be an auto - hopefully without a hp loss like the L99. The ZL1 should have an auto, too, if GM judges the extra business from offering it is worth the investment, as opposed to what Ford does with the GT500. Honestly, who cares if an automatic is offered, they already cost more as it is. Don't like it/don't want it, then don't buy it and save a thousand bucks. This anti-automatic, purist-elitist stuff is getting tiresome.

Add to that some option packages to delete an ever-increasing amount of stuff, from the radio to the rear seats, and I could see it being a viable product. Do it the other way around, expecting GM to make a dedicated racer with only options to add livable stuff to it, and you never, ever see the car built.
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:05 PM   #58
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I think Twin Turbo V6 would be the way to go. Come on GM, just release the Leno car!

Also, a good performance suspension, chassis bracing, maybe some CF panels or roof as an option.
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how about a truly more retro look ...then all the performance goodies too.
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Assuming they keep the SS in the lineup, it will likely be: Camaro w/V6, Z/28 w/small block v8, SS w/6.2, and the ZL1 w/supercharged 6.2.

Option wise, I suspect the base Z/28 to be similar to the current LT/SS models (ie: packages of similar tech and features), but with options only available on the Z/28 (ie: ground effects, spoiler, badging, seating, etc.).

Think of the gen2/3/4 models. I would be really surprised to see an "all performance" model, especially when the ZL1 is their top dog.
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:31 PM   #61
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1. Racing Seats
2. Light weight 19" racing rims
3. Carbon Fiber front splitter and rear wing
4. ZR1 Engine
5. Rear seat delete
6. Proper racing steering wheel.
7. Computer controlled suspension for driving style
8. Onboard computer to record: track times, 0-60, top speed, measured G's
9. American Lemans style body kit
10. Whatever needed to lighten this overweight powerhouse.
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:36 PM   #62
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IMO you will see the Z28 after the Alpha Camaro comes out,2014-2016
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:40 PM   #63
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IMO you will see the Z28 after the Alpha Camaro comes out,2014-2016
^ I agree with this........
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:55 PM   #64
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It's actually Corvette envy......

The early Z/28's did not have lighter parts in them but they were generally lighter due to stock orders being built with very few options. It's extremely rare to find a 67-69 Z/28 "loaded up". Heater and radio delete were also available options which found their way into a few Z cars.

The early cars were not available with automatics and A/C due in part to the nature of the solid lifter engine but this also saved on weight.
Having worked on the Corvette and Z06, that is one program to be envious of the cars weight. Seriously better than anything on the road for mass. For the Z06, we took out well over 100 lbs with the aluminum frame, carbon wheel house, carbon floor pan, caron fenders and all of that was offset by the LS7, dry sump oiling, giant wheels, tires and brakes.

But Hylton, would you really buy a car without air today? At least on a car you would drive regularly? I think some would, and also radio delete etc. but at that point you'd be looking at some pretty low volumes selling to the really hard core. Wait, oh, I forgot.............that's you.

Even the aftermarket hasn't spawned the car you are describing. All of them are pretty much "add a supercharger" and go from there, rather than strip stuff off and attack the chassis.

I think I just gave you a business idea.
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Like Jay Leno said... "This, should be the Z28" TT V6 !
I realize the die hard V8 guys will disagree, but you now have the ZL1.
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Ok, so here is the question for you guys. Why is a twin turbo V6 that weighs the same as the LS3 and if GM were to SUPER tune it, make the same HP, why do you think that makes a better engine for a Z28...........Fuel Economy? If you are assuming GM can bring the Taurus SHO engine to production, that's only 355 HP or so.
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:51 PM   #67
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Ok, so here is the question for you guys. Why is a twin turbo V6 that weighs the same as the LS3 and if GM were to SUPER tune it, make the same HP, why do you think that makes a better engine for a Z28...........Fuel Economy? If you are assuming GM can bring the Taurus SHO engine to production, that's only 355 HP or so.
kits for the v6 are already making a little be over l99 with 5 psi.
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Old 02-10-2011, 07:14 PM   #68
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kits for the v6 are already making a little be over l99 with 5 psi.
Exactly my point. From GM, meeting GMs durability requirements, all things being equal, a TT V6 won't make better HP than a small block V8. It should get better FE, but no mass improvement, more expensive and no more HP.

You guys have to quit comparing what YOU can do vs. what GM can do.

And with about 10 HP per PSI, you can get L99/LS3 power from a V6, but to do more costs you durablity and GM can't do that.

So compare what GM can do to what GM can do. Not what GM can do with an L99 or LS3 and what you can do to a V6. Two different scenarios.

Again, Ford's V6 SIDI turbo is 355. Assume GM is better (and they are) you can maybe get L99 or even LS3 power. But no more. So why is this a Z28?
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Old 02-10-2011, 07:17 PM   #69
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Like Jay Leno said... "This, should be the Z28" TT V6 !
I realize the die hard V8 guys will disagree, but you now have the ZL1.
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THERE will be no Z28
as far as no ac goes GM has a" body in white" for you sickos who dont want ac
this is not 1967 once again for the old guys with the thick skulls

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Well, although I do think it would be lighter up front than the supercharged V8 of the ZL1 given the size & technology of todays turbo's, weight is not the main reason I'd like to see it.
I had the pleasure of owning a 1987 Buick Grand National. Knowing what that car was capable of, and knowing the advancements that have been made since those days, I believe a turbocharged V6 (be it single or twin) would be a great fit for the Camaro. And yes, I think fuel economy will also be a plus.
I'm not saying a turbocharged V6 would ever compare to the ZL1, just looking for an alternative.
A turbo V6, with gearing & suspension upgrades....
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They will prolly wait for the gen v block for the z28.

I would like to see a stripped down car "ala viper". No frills minimal power options " crank windows!!!! Lol". New hood and power spoiler/airbrake like the veyron. Hid's because they look so good. No sunroof, black leather and only available in black metallic and custom striping. Twin supercharge that bitch!!! Factory longtube headers with a set of power plates.

6 speed tremec or a 6 speed autogate. This should be a factory ordered race car for the road. No frills, all fun.

I would beat Hendricks to the punch and purchase number 1 for myself and do massive burnouts out the plant floor and out the door.
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Old 02-10-2011, 08:22 PM   #73
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As long as it's taken to get the ZL1 out, the Gen5 body is going loose it's edge before the Z-28 comes out. The ZL1 will be short term (Gen5 only) because of costs. How many of these are they really to sell at Corvette prices? Look for the Z-28 to replace it as a street fighter on the Gen6s.
I think you assume a lot...but aren't grounding it in reality.

They invested a crap-ton of time and effort into this new ZL1...it will be a success; and earn a reputation that's well-deserved. You don't throw that momentum away just because a new generation rolls around. I think it makes the most sense that the ZL1 formula will be carried over into the 6th generation in 2016 as the Top-of-the-line model.

The sales will probably hover around 5000 units a year, which is all they need. It's not a high-volume Camaro like the SS, so don't worry about how many they sell.

As far as the Z28...I imaging it will return...either in this generation, or the next...and I'm seeing it built in a similar fashion to the Boss 302. Which will most likely sell at an even LOWER volume than the ZL1, by the way.....;

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....So why is this a Z28?
It sounds a lot like a complicated, futuristic SS to me............
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I doubt we'll see a Z28. Too many models will cannibalize sales. I could see maybe a COPO catalog becoming available for those who want to order a stripped down racemaro, but doubt a 5th gen Z28 is going to happen.
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around same price as an SS
beefed up suspension
maybe a slight HP lose to cost down
It going to be like the 4th gen z/28 they aren't going to make it track spec car with no air conditioning. If you really want to you can take it out after
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