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Old 02-11-2011, 05:44 PM   #26
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I can dream cant I. Come on guys. I have a LS7 in my 32 truck now thats light weight, and its bad ass. Offer a Stripped down Z!!!! and make it a special order race version.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:25 PM   #27
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Thinking like a GM higher up....

SS=Base Vette
Z28=Z06
ZL1=ZR1

So i'm going with the same idea as pretty much everyone else.

However, I'm pretty sure it's been said several times that the LS7 is near the end of it's life.

Everything is there to build a proper Z28....

...Except the engine.

Do they use a retuned LS3??
A new Gen 5 DI V8 sounds like the ticket to me, but who knows...
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They started a Z28 thread today on the SS/V6 board based on info from jalopnik.
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:37 AM   #29
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The zl1 is going to stay top dawg

if z28 was to be built i would hope it was a ss drivetrain with special interior trim and "road coarse handling) different wheels ect.
GM is NOT going to make the z28 come close to the zl1 so forget about the s/c
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:39 AM   #30
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:42 AM   #31
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Here is and old one from last year.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:08 AM   #32
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The Z28 should be nothing more then a modified/beefed up SS Camaro, not a stripped down version of a ZL1. Ford's Boss 302 is just that, a beefed up version of 5.0 Stang GT. GT500 was not touched, so Chevy do the same. Leave your high powered Camaro alone for this creation, take a page out of Fords book on this one and start with what you already have as your base v8 model.

Of course, you can throw some features that the ZL1 has but dont get to crazy on it. You'll probably piss off the ZL1 owners lol

I agree with most of you on the performance of the Z28 but idk about an Ls7 in it. That alone drives up the price, just beef up the Ls3. Its a great engine, the weight of the car is what really holds it back. Lighter the car, the better it will respond with that ls3. I mean, have you seen stock ls3 vette's run? Things are fast as hell with an Ls3, cant even imagine the z06's and there ls7's......yet to see a z06 run lol
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:18 AM   #33
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I just don't see it happening. I mentioned this in another thread, but the ZL1 isn't even supposed to drop until early 2012 and the sixth generation is said to start in 2015. That leaves almost no time for R&D on a new model.
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who's to say that they havent already been spending time for R&D on a Z28?
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:20 AM   #34
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My Z28 recipe:

All the ZL1 content except:

Slightly modded LS3 instead of LSA. New cam and valvetrain parts to get a couple hundred more RPM and 450ish hp. Better exhaust manifolds.

No MR suspension. Lowered slightly from the SS, but with manually adjustable clicker shocks. Slighter firmer - bushings, springs, sways from the SS.

Use the ZL1 front fascia but tweeked to be Z28 specific. Maybe all body color, heritage grille, different color mohawk hood insert.

Then you would have quite the track capable performance car without the LSA cost and weight, without the MR cost... and get the good drivetrain stuff, 3.73s, better clutch, cooling, forged wheels, brakes...

If you push the SS today, the drivetrain is full of weak links, handling is pushy, gearing is too tall for 20's..... this would take care of all that, and be relatively blue collar affordable.
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:06 PM   #35
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As cool as that sounds - that ain't happening - at least not through a regular production CAMARO.
You are so right, what alot of guys and gals are forgetting is the future mpg they have to meet at that time.:thumbs up:
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:50 PM   #36
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A stripped down car with a LS7 called a Z28 - 1LE
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:40 PM   #37
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We don't get a Z/28 without a racing series to use it in. We need something like the SCCA sactioned series where the Camaro can compete with the other brands. JMO.

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Old 02-13-2011, 05:50 PM   #38
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*Wet-sump LS7
*Driveline HD components
*ZL1 exhaust
*Composite body components
*Rear seat delete
*Forged 20s
*Non-MagneRide suspension upgrades
*1SS Trim

= less than 1SS Curb Weight of 3860, and a close-to-2SS price-point...certainly under $40K!

Think of it as a "certifiable/validatable" SS-X
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:18 PM   #39
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There are already other threads on this, but what the heck, This is the Camaro I am looking forward to.

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The Z28 does not need a ton more HP. Chevy should do this:
  • 450 HP at the crank would be fine
  • Offer a V6 version too
  • Add tighter bushings, beefier adjustable sways and links
  • Lighten it up where possible, but don't go crazy, keep the costs down
  • Use lightweight 19" wheels and tires, same size all around
  • Add ZL-1 brakes and front brake scoop
  • Offer real cloth sport seats
  • Start with the 1SS/1LT level, offer only 1SS/LT options
  • Add some unique Z28 graphics, don't go for subtle
  • Add some race level Z28 parts, work with existing vendors, but offer factory engineering support
  • Keep the V8 starting price right around a loaded 2SS/RS, $37,500.
  • Do not make production limited
  • Start a race series where Mustangs, Camaros, Hyundais, and Challengers can face off
  • Offer the race to RWD V6 Turbo (limited boost) and V8s

We can all have fun!

I am going to use my GM card exclusively so I am ready when the time comes.

At the same time I am going to mod and enjoy my SS now and not worry about the future.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:46 PM   #40
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There are already other threads on this, but what the heck, This is the Camaro I am looking forward to.

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The Z28 does not need a ton more HP. Chevy should do this:
  • 450 HP at the crank would be fine
  • Offer a V6 version too
  • Add tighter bushings, beefier adjustable sways and links
  • Lighten it up where possible, but don't go crazy, keep the costs down
  • Use lightweight 19" wheels and tires, same size all around
  • Add ZL-1 brakes and front brake scoop
  • Offer real cloth sport seats
  • Start with the 1SS/1LT level, offer only 1SS/LT options
  • Add some unique Z28 graphics, don't go for subtle
  • Add some race level Z28 parts, work with existing vendors, but offer factory engineering support
  • Keep the V8 starting price right around a loaded 2SS/RS, $37,500.
  • Do not make production limited
  • Start a race series where Mustangs, Camaros, Hyundais, and Challengers can face off
  • Offer the race to RWD V6 Turbo (limited boost) and V8s

We can all have fun!

I am going to use my GM card exclusively so I am ready when the time comes.

At the same time I am going to mod and enjoy my SS now and not worry about the future.
V6 Version?? lol.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:08 PM   #41
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The 1st gen Z28 were not cheap, infact a 69 Z/28 was the most expensive version of the camaro so IMO A C5 Z/28 would be:

A N.A. track monster.

1.Start with the ZL1 but Use the LS7 not the LSA that would save about 100lbs.
2.Keep the Magnetic Shocks
3.Carbon Ceramic disc brakes from the Zr1 (The 69 Z/28 used the vette brakes)
4.No darn heated power seats!!! Use light wieght Sparco Racing seats (Cuts about 90+ lbs)
5. Carbon Fiber Roof / Hood (lower center of gravity and less weight)
6. Smooth Underbody for less drag
7. 3.92 gears

That would probaly Cost $60k though, But it would be worth it.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:42 PM   #42
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Z28 should be built race inspired and for those who don't need all of the luxuries. With two totally different packages available.

Z28/RS:

Exterior
Gets ZL1 front bumper, rear spoiler optional with choices of SLP ZL & the High Wing, RS Headlights & tailights standard, Black chrome 20" SS aluminum wheels, single hood & deck lid stripe standard, All colors except Imperial Blue, and Silver available. Available in Aqua Blue Metallic & Synergy Green.

Interior

Black cloth only interior w/ color matching stitching, Leather steering wheel, armrests, and console lid all standard with color matching stitching as well. ZL1 door trim panels, and instrument cluster bezel standard. Gauge pack standard.

Powertrain

538HP LS7 engine available with either Automatic or 6 speed.

Z28 "Track Package"

Exterior

ZL1 Bumper w/ Race Splitter & fog light delete, ZL1 Hood optional, Black heritage Grille Standard, Standard halogen headlights. Black tail light trim and roof ditch molding. Rear spoiler delete, 19 inch matte black aluminum wheels standard, Hockey stripes standard. Only available in White, Inferno Orange, Red, Silver, Cyber Gray, and Black .

Interior
1LS interior trim package. manual seats, windows and locks. Interior color matching cloth door trim panels, Gauge package, and HUD not available. Hurst Manual shifter standard.

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538HP LS7 w/ 6 speed manual only
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:17 PM   #43
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302 Z car

I heard that GM did build a 302 4th gen for testing. Not too sure what components that were used.

I wondered if it was real until I saw a 4th gen in a private collection that was badged as a 302, so assumed that this was perhaps one of the test cars. I don't remember much details, but it had Recaro seats, roll bars and had a Next Generation Year One label across the top of the windshield. I attached the only pics that I shot of it.

Maybe one of the GM people will confirm if it is real.
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To be realistic I think the Z/28 will have to compete with the Boss with this:

- Dry sump LS3. tuned
- Bigger radiator and ZL1 diff cooling
- ZL1 brakes front and rear cooling
- ZL1 drivetrain
- ZL1 Short shifter
- Manual seats
- Dual mode exhaust
- Sway bars
- MR shocks
- Higher rate springs
- More down force over the ZL1
- HUD
- Rear seat deleate
- Rear gear options
- Painted Carbon fiber roof, trunk and hood
- Heat extracted hood
- Fog light deleate w/standard headlights no HID's
- Light weight wheels with damn good tires
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:51 AM   #46
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Don't get your hopes up guys... Z28 would just be one more model to cannibalize sales. Perhaps a COPO style car- made to order, but I just don't see LS, LT, SS, ZL-1 & Z28 all sharing the 5th-gen stage at the same time...
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I just don't see LS, LT, SS, ZL-1 & Z28 all sharing the 5th-gen stage at the same time...
THIS...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129255

...and the Team's "suggestion" that a "Z/28" is in the works...

As opposed to "cannibalizing sales", how about "encouraging buying/marketing opportunities"?!
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The thing is that they may wait until the 6th gen to bring the Z28 moniker back into the equation and going off what Ford has done, the retro '60s based design will gradually be killed off so we won't get a modern Z28 in one of the nicest body styles ever used for the Camaro :(. Then there's the Challenger being that the 1st gen was a 5 year one design wounder, they might have to keep that body style or kill off the Challenger model all together . This why I choose to enjoy today's Camaro and not worry about tomorrow's.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:33 PM   #49
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IMO a BOSS KILLER would be nice, alittle more NA power, lighter car, hardtop only, better sunspion,.
Z/28 ONLY paint sceme (Maybe 6 color option from 1st GEN CHART)...

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How does introducing a Z/28 "cannibalize" sales?

Doesn't having more options and choices mean more people will be apt to find something that fits their wants and desires, in turn boosting sales?

I don't get that excuse at all...
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