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Old 02-11-2011, 11:23 PM   #1
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whos got the real info on dealer invoice pricing?

Im getting ready to take delivery of my 2SS Vert in the next few weeks, after searching high and low, I found a dealer who garunteed me, in writing, $XX.00 over INVOICE for the sale price. I've never bought a new car before, and at the time; I was just glad not to be paying OVER msrp for the preorder. Cars been built and coming soon, are there any last minute tips/tricks or traps I should be looking out for upon payment???

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Old 02-12-2011, 06:05 AM   #2
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Go to Edmunds.com and 'build' your can on their website. It will list both invoice and MSRP so you can see the total.

Don't forget they'll hit you with title fees, delivery charges, etc. If you have a trade-in, make sure it is applied to the new vehicle purchase before sales taxes are calculated.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:50 AM   #3
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Here you go; link to pricing. Too bad you couldn't find a dealer accepting GM supplier/Credit Union discount. Got mine below MSRP

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122191
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Go to Edmunds.com and 'build' your can on their website. It will list both invoice and MSRP so you can see the total.

Don't forget they'll hit you with title fees, delivery charges, etc. If you have a trade-in, make sure it is applied to the new vehicle purchase before sales taxes are calculated.
....but remember, destination is included in the invoice price, you can't get away from paying it. As far as the trade, it's up to the state. Here in Indiana, you are taxed after the trade, but if a customer drives here from Michigan which is 5 miles down the street, they have to pay tax before the trade and incentives.
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In the old days, there was about a 17-22% difference between dealer invoice and MSRP which one could easily work to their advantage on a Chevy. These days, Chevrolet has gotten smarter, and the spread between dealer invoice and MSRP has shrunk significantly. For the 2011 convertibles, I have been told the difference is only about $800 which is in the 2% range. Because this is a limited edition of sorts, discounts are usually not offered.

So you ask if dealers are not getting squeezed? Well, my understanding on that is that the incentive payment comes at the end of the model year based on how many vehicles they sell.

So on current model year verts, if you can get a discount of any type off MSRP, take it.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:40 AM   #6
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We got MSRP less the GM supplier discount on our convertible. I know the dealer is still making some money on it but I am happy with the deal considering the verts are hard to get right now. Anyway I don't have an issue with the dealer getting some profit it is a business after all.
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:52 PM   #7
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Being a new model, and limited production this model year for verts, you'd be hard pressed to get any reduction in sales price other than the normal incentives;

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Old 02-12-2011, 02:12 PM   #9
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Truecar.com shows a difference of $2250 between Dealer Invoice and MSRP on my car. That's 5.2%, which I don't think is too bad for a car that's hard to get this year.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:28 PM   #10
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USAA member huh? Wonder if they'll still apply that to my "$50 over invoice" garuntee.... side note- USAA still isn't quoting insurance for verts yet
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:35 PM   #11
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Im getting ready to take delivery of my 2SS Vert in the next few weeks, after searching high and low, I found a dealer who garunteed me, in writing, $XX.00 over INVOICE for the sale price. I've never bought a new car before, and at the time; I was just glad not to be paying OVER msrp for the preorder. Cars been built and coming soon, are there any last minute tips/tricks or traps I should be looking out for upon payment???

Thanks in advance!!!
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Do your homework and get the facts before believing everything your dealer tells you and know what to say and not to say to him or her. This is the most valueable advice I can offer you. I have purchased several new cars in the past 18 years.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:39 PM   #12
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Most dealerships will not order without negotiating a price first. If you don't have a price in writing already you could be in for a bait and switch. I negotiated a $1K under the GM preferred price. Better than what I paid for the coupe in 09.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:27 PM   #13
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USAA member huh? Wonder if they'll still apply that to my "$50 over invoice" garuntee.... side note- USAA still isn't quoting insurance for verts yet
Your USAA discount is from GM and has no effect on the dealer-negotiated price. You don't even have to tell the dealer you're eligible for the USAA discount until your ready to close and take delivery. At that point, the dealer should subtract it from the price you've negotiated.

Aslo, don't feel sorry for the dealer because you're buying the car close to invoice. There's "dealer pack" in the invoice price. In other words, even if he sells it at invoice, he still makes profit.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:29 PM   #14
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Don't forget they'll hit you with title fees, delivery charges, etc. If you have a trade-in, make sure it is applied to the new vehicle purchase before sales taxes are calculated.
That is not possible in all states. In CA for instance, Tax and Licence is imposed BEFORE any down payment or trade is taken into account. It cannot be done any other way legally here.
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Old 02-12-2011, 06:36 PM   #15
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That is not possible in all states. In CA for instance, Tax and Licence is imposed BEFORE any down payment or trade is taken into account. It cannot be done any other way legally here.
OP is from Florida, assuming he bought there, he's good to go with paying sales tax on price of vehicle after trade-in. But you're right, doesn't work that way everywhere.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:13 PM   #16
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I just picked up my new Camaro yesterday. I wouldn't call this a trick or trap (because a lot of owners willingly and gladly purchase these) but when it came time to complete the paperwork and sign the deal, some what I would call, "Dealer Products" were offered at additional costs. I think all dealers offer something like this; mechanical breakdown protection (extended warranty type thing), wheel & tire program (pays for replacing damaged tires & wheels), paint & interior protectant, and anti theft protection (pays extra $ if the vehicle is stolen and not recovered). It ranged from $495 to almost $3900 for the whole package. I knew about the paint and interior protectant, but not the other stuff. For me, it would have been better to have known about these and had some time to think over purchasing these products rather than having to make the decision right then, when my new Camaro was setting right outside the window ready to go and the finance guy is acting like I'd be crazy NOT to spend more money to protect my beautiful, expensive new car with his insurance products. I was a little put off and felt some pressure to add these on. Maybe I should have done more homework, but I wasn't expecting this. You might want to find out what products will be offered if you haven't already so you'll be ready when the time comes.
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That is not possible in all states. In CA for instance, Tax and Licence is imposed BEFORE any down payment or trade is taken into account. It cannot be done any other way legally here.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:23 AM   #18
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Im getting ready to take delivery of my 2SS Vert in the next few weeks, after searching high and low, I found a dealer who garunteed me, in writing, $XX.00 over INVOICE for the sale price. I've never bought a new car before, and at the time; I was just glad not to be paying OVER msrp for the preorder. Cars been built and coming soon, are there any last minute tips/tricks or traps I should be looking out for upon payment???

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I don't understand. Did you order your car before settling on the price?
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:18 AM   #19
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I don't understand. Did you order your car before settling on the price?
Yes.
The pricing wasn't avalaible in Nov when the orders came open. Most dealers were selling at MSRPplus an additional premium. The dealership I went with wrote a receipt for.my downpayment stating they would sell me one of their 5 allocated 2011 camaro convertibles built to my specifications at $xx (actual number over invoice is in writing, just don't want to sell him out completely) over invoice pricing.

Its the best I could get at the time until the pricing came out. He has since.given me a rough estimate of.$43k complete, out the door (tax title tag included) for 2SS vert, manual w RS package...but that's just an estimate.

I've been extremely happy w this dealer, especially compared to the.other morons I was dealing with prior. But still, being my first new car/order I've ever placed, I just want to make sure im.not missing.anything.

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Yes.
The pricing wasn't avalaible in Nov when the orders came open. Most dealers were selling at MSRPplus an additional premium. The dealership I went with wrote a receipt for.my downpayment stating they would sell me one of their 5 allocated 2011 camaro convertibles built to my specifications at $xx (actual number over invoice is in writing, just don't want to sell him out completely) over invoice pricing.

Its the best I could get at the time until the pricing came out. He has since.given me a rough estimate of.$43k complete, out the door for 2SS vert, manual w RS package...but that's just an estimate.

I've been extremely happy w this dealer, especially compared to the.other morons I was dealing with prior. But still, being my first new car/order I've ever placed, I just want to make sure im.not missing.anything.

Thanks!

I see now.

If I may offer some advice, use invoice and negotiate from there, up or down. I hope this helps
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I guess putting a down payment on a car that i'm not sure of the price seems kind of risky. But as long as you trust your dealership i guess it should be okay. I just wanted to know exactly what the price would be and get the haggling out of the way before delivery. I have gotten a printed signed sales agreement before I would give a deposit.
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We got MSRP less the GM supplier discount on our convertible. I know the dealer is still making some money on it but I am happy with the deal considering the verts are hard to get right now. Anyway I don't have an issue with the dealer getting some profit it is a business after all.
I emailed GM supplier discount on wed and they wrote me back that the 2011 convertibles are NOT eligible. I am pay MSRP for my vert.
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Old 02-19-2011, 07:08 PM   #23
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Well, I got some news from my dealer today. My final sales price, tax, title, tag-everything; out the door is $44,024 for a 2SS/RS LS3. I managed about $850 under MSRP, which was just about entirely made back up in "advertising fees" and some other rediculous scam... but im happy, my buddy paid $42 for his coupe, auto/rs/sunroof 2 yrs ago...

On another note, he did tell me my car (which is @ 4150 currently) has a delivery date of Feb 28... Im not holding my breath, and even he was hesitant to tell me that, but its a good sign! With that bit of info, I began epoxy painting the nursery... I mean garage, today in preparation of its arrival!
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I know this is off the thread but how about a convertible section for us !!! Need to help by going to the suggestion sections and telling the mods you want a section for the verts. We are different
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...49#post2862849
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That is not possible in all states. In CA for instance, Tax and Licence is imposed BEFORE any down payment or trade is taken into account. It cannot be done any other way legally here.
Of course they do. They have a lot of bills.
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