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Old 05-25-2011, 01:43 AM   #126
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I really like this thread and the way you've gone about your build. Great stuff!!!
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:52 AM   #127
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I really like this thread and the way you've gone about your build. Great stuff!!!
Much appreciated since you've got the best build on the site.

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Old 05-25-2011, 04:54 PM   #128
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Update from APF: the Meziere WP329N does not fit the L99 because of the VVT.

http://www.meziere.com/ps-1507-1520-wp329n.aspx
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. Fits 2010 and later Camaro's with GM LS-3 and L99 engines

Jon@APF called Meziere and the Meziere guy said, "oops, guess we didn't test it on an L99."

Anyone want an opened but unused Meziere Electric Water Pump for a Camaro LS3?



This is why I'm glad I had it at the shop rather than all opened up in my backyard when this was discovered. I'd be really pissed then. As it is, I'm just .

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Old 05-25-2011, 05:06 PM   #129
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Update from APF: the Meziere WP329N does not fit the L99 because of the VVT.

http://www.meziere.com/ps-1507-1520-wp329n.aspx
This water pump model features:
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Jon@APF called Meziere and the Meziere guy said, "oops, guess we didn't test it on an L99."

Anyone want an opened but unused Meziere Electric Water Pump for a Camaro LS3?



This is why I'm glad I had it at the shop rather than all opened up in my backyard when this was discovered. I'd be really pissed then. As it is, I'm just .

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Old 05-25-2011, 07:17 PM   #130
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Hmmm...wasn't planning on doing this so soon. What color is it? What are you asking for it?
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:25 PM   #131
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Hmmm...wasn't planning on doing this so soon. What color is it? What are you asking for it?
Well, I'm going to talk to Meziere and Jegs first, they may give me a full refund. It's their base model, I don't think they have a polished version for the Camaro yet. I paid $859 from Jegs. :(

When John sends me the pics I'll post them and maybe start a new thread, because apparently this is NEWS to Meziere that their advertised L99 EWP DOESN'T FIT and I got to be the first fool to find out.

Too bad. I was really looking forward to trying out an EWP for the first time at the track. Otherwise Meziere EWP's have a good rep.

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Old 05-25-2011, 08:43 PM   #132
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Wow! Almost 900 bucks for an electric water pump! Damn! That's high as giraffe ass! I never thought that it would cost near that! Anyway...what makes it not fit? Aren't the engines the same externally? I'm anxious to know the difference.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:54 PM   #133
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It's the extra thickness of the timing cover. It would work on LS3 no problem. I did a little measuring (with my highly calibrated eyeball) and it might could work with 1" or so spacers, I might do a little research with a block in the engine room and talk to Meziere about it...

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Old 05-25-2011, 08:57 PM   #134
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Wow! Almost 900 bucks for an electric water pump! Damn! That's high as giraffe ass! I never thought that it would cost near that! Anyway...what makes it not fit? Aren't the engines the same externally? I'm anxious to know the difference.
The VVT on the L99 makes it different from the LS3. The Camaro has a different serpentine setup than other LS motors, so they designed a new one THAT THEY DIDN'T BOTHER TO TEST. That's why it costs more than other LS EWPs.

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It's the extra thickness of the timing cover. It would work on LS3 no problem. I did a little measuring (with my highly calibrated eyeball) and it might could work with 1" or so spacers, I might do a little research with a block in the engine room and talk to Meziere about it...

Padre, sending you some pics shortly.
But with spacers, won't that throw off the geometry of the serpentine system? Or would you put spacers on the other components??

Anyway,here are the pics:
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But with spacers, won't that throw off the geometry of the serpentine system? Or would you put spacers on the other components??

Anyway,here are the pics:
What I was worried about was spacing the WP out an inch or more would end up putting the tensioner into the radiator But it looks like the mounting bosses for that are pretty far back and they also send almost an inch long spacer for the tensioner. It might be splitting hairs but I think it might work.... to the batcave LOL
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BMR 1" Lowering Springs Installed. Thanks John! Can't wait to pick it up.

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Just a comparison:



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Picked it up today. Going racing tonight at an 1/8th mile strip, Brainerd Optimist.

Two things: dayum it looks sharp lowered 1". Harder to get on my trailer, but dayum.

Also, with the 3.45 gears, the 3200 TC, the lowering springs, and the front and rear sway bars, it is a different car, order of magnitude better.

With just the 3200 TC, it was sluggish around town. Now it is tight. And that's keeping the stock tranny tune for daily driving (no reason for premature wear on the tranny for stoplight traffic).

I'm impressed. Thanks to John and the gang at AFP for the help!

Now we see if we can decrease the sixty-foots to get ready for the 11-second slip.

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Old 05-27-2011, 10:01 PM   #141
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Well, made it to Brainerd Optimist dragway (1/8th mile) in nearby Ringgold Georgia. Test and Tune, getting ready for a Street Fight. Temps 70*.

First up: 24mpg on the way up (increasing elevation), 25mpg on the way back. The SLP Underdrive Pulley is immediately noticeable. About +2mpg. But at idle, it is charging less than 12v. So I bumped up the idle +250rpm, which I wanted to do anyway (550rpm OEM?). That did the trick. With lights and accessories running at stock idle, your battery will run low. I also have a 21lb Braille battery, so I'm pushing the limits of amperage draw.

Second: oh my oh my, do I love the combination of 3200 Stall and 3.45 gears (and the UDP to an extent). Car is much crisper and faster without spinning up so high. Low end torque feels great.

Third: track prep track prep track prep. The new gears spun the tires on all launches except one was a 1.75 sixty (still spinning).

So, good night to hit the track, but not for Testing and Tuning, because not hooking up doesn't help me tune well (at all).

The track isn't great, but it's local and I met a lot of local racers. Some nice cars, and they loved the Camaro. I was running 8.30's @ 85mph, so the track is slower than Steele.

Funny thing is I met three other pastors. One doing the announcing, another driving the "Holy Ghost" funny car below.

The black Mustang GT Vert was a very similar bolt-on with 4.10 gears, auto, and 3000 stall. We were both running 8.30's, so we lined up for a grudge match. Left lane timing wasn't working, but I took him with my 1.7 sixty (no ET, mine was probably an 8.20) to his 8.60 run.. The announcer was running a "Pass Time" with a couple of kids.



More pics. All in all a fun place to go if you just need to get on the track, but I won't be going there just for T&T. I'll make sure I get back to Steele soon for some real times.

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Old 05-28-2011, 11:16 AM   #142
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Great build! Stumbled upon this when I was searching for info on shorty headers, good info. I'm also looking forward to the results about your plans to making a run with the stock cat-back.
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I think lowering the car sets you back some on your 60 ft. You may pick up mph, but it may not even be a measurable amount. Lowering it decreases your frontal area and lets less air under the car. It's not my car, nor my choice, bur I would have like to see everything done except lowering it and make some runs. O well, you'll still get your 11 sec slip tho.
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I think lowering the car sets you back some on your 60 ft. You may pick up mph, but it may not even be a measurable amount. Lowering it decreases your frontal area and lets less air under the car. It's not my car, nor my choice, bur I would have like to see everything done except lowering it and make some runs. O well, you'll still get your 11 sec slip tho.
Well, it remains to be seen how the new suspension geometry helps my Sixty. The lowering springs themselves shouldn't help or hurt. If there is a difference, it's negligible. The BMR sway bars have a "Drag" setting (tightest), but I can't really test it till I get to a track that is prepped. Going to Brainerd was fun, but I don't want to base any judgments on what I saw there. I have to get back to Steele.

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Well if the springs didn't hurt, that potentially good news for me when I lower mine!
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Well, it remains to be seen how the new suspension geometry helps my Sixty. The lowering springs themselves shouldn't help or hurt. If there is a difference, it's negligible. The BMR sway bars have a "Drag" setting (tightest), but I can't really test it till I get to a track that is prepped. Going to Brainerd was fun, but I don't want to base any judgments on what I saw there. I have to get back to Steele.

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It's good to see you out and running it. Keep working on those 60' times. Nice build. And yes a prepped track makes all the difference in the world.
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Too bad, Brainerd isnt the best track but sounds like you had fun. The Holy Ghost funny car is awesome

Hopefully the springs didnt hurt too much with the 60's, cause it lookes dayum good lowered! I guess we'll know more when you get back to Steele. Padre was definitley blessed with driver mod "The Saint of Fast Travel"

Glad to help ya out, let us know how Bristol goes. Hopefully the track is prepped
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1.682 sixty, 12.432 @ 110.15
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Steele rocks, much better traction.
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Good vids when I get home.

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DA was 2750+, on track temps were in the 90's. Track prep was good (not as great as it usually is).

This is good news for me, because of the inability to hook up at Brainerd. First run when I got to Steele was a 1.685 sixty. Relieved, now I can get back to working on my times.

Only change, as at Brainerd, is the 3.45 gears. Also added the BMR front and rear sways and the SLP Underdrive Pulley.

I drove with the track tune in it (mostly WOT changes anyway), and was getting alost 25mpg with the A/C on.

As I've said, the performance with the Gears + TC is a dream. Zipping around in highway traffic is a breeze - you're right in your power band and no high-stall TC lag.

I was able to get to the track today because Steele moved it's T&T to 2:30pm to 7:30pm. I was done with my last service and left at 5:15pm ET, arrived at 6:00pm CT (131 miles), got in six runs. This is great because now I can make it out on any Sunday I choose, rather than having to rearrange my schedule once a month so.

All in all, a good day. Hot, but I accomplished what I wanted: seeing how it hooks with the gears, and all is OK.

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I pretty much had the track to myself:
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Here's a new style of in-car video.



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