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Old 02-12-2011, 03:21 PM   #1
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Smile I was there @ Chicago Auto Show Camaro GTG. More ZL1 info.

I was at the breakfast. Some of you guys were also there. It was great to meet those of you who were there. Most of you were C5G members also, so I'm sure that I'll be seeing more of you when I start going to some more meets in the area.

For everyone not there, the Chicago Auto Show is a huge event, and GM took out an enormous amount of space for the Volt driving range and the rest of the Chevrolet booth. I would describe the Chevrolet section as 40% Volt, 40% Camaro, and 20% everything else.

Before going up to the display, some of us got to ask some important questions about the Camaro to some of the greats at Chevrolet, including John Fitzpatrick (marketing), Al Oppenheiser (engineering), Scott Settlemire (fbodfather and self-described "VP of Very Cool Things"). I took pages of notes on questions and answers. I'll give you some of the most important information.

GM put 2.2 million miles under the Camaro coupe before we ever saw them. It was frustrating to watch GM drive these cars while we all drooled, but it was worth it. All of that work led to the finely tuned machines we drive today. GM did it right.

There were 15 million 4th generation order combinations. At one point in the discussion this came up because Settlemire was having a talk with someone else at GM. He was told that you can't have fog lights without power windows. It seemed strange but the reason was sound. Without the wiring harness, GM couldn't install the fog lamps, so GM had to hike up the price of that harness and features associated with it because the car had too many different packages. With the 5th generation Camaro, we all might wish it had just 1 more thing that no one else wants or even 1 less thing because we don't need it. GM made it this way because it just makes the most sense and makes everyone happy. If you want something different, GM wants to encourage you to make it yours.

"It is a track car. It is a drag car." Al Oppenheiser described the ZL1 as a machine intended to race. Those of you who get one will not be disappointed. When asked about what benchmarks GM had in mind, all three of them simply said that they want to be the best.

The steering wheel is functional. Besides turning the car, it is also smaller to give you a better grip on the car. You'll need it when you're tearing through a track at 150 mph.

The ZL1 will have all colors available. While they have not decided whether any additional colors or future colors will be offered on the ZL1, they said that the logical choice would be to share all Camaro colors on all Camaros because they are all built together.

Keep your garbage to yourself. Can we come up with a new term for the big mufflers? They didn't seem to like the term "garbage can" when it came up.

GM is "always looking for opportunities." When there is an opportunity for GM to enter a market, it will do all the proper research and decide what to do. This came up a lot.

There is no confirmation of the Z28. I'm sorry guys. They said that they are "looking for opportunities." They also said that fist fights break out over things like the Z28 because there is so much passion about what it means. If it makes sense, it sounds like GM would do it.

"The saga continues." Scott Settlemire said only that the saga continues when asked if Shunt is in the trunk.

The last thing that happens is pricing. GM has not even come close to deciding the price of the car because GM does not know for sure how much it will cost to build.

May the best car win. Compare the Camaro to well-known luxury brands. Notice how the patterns all match across the Camaro's interior even though each of those panels may be made by a different manufacturer. All of the blacks are the same black. Now go find a major luxury car manufacturer. Do the blacks match? Does the texture feel consistent across panels? Is it the same stitching all over the interior? GM wins.

This is the ZL1 interior. It is based on the current interior. The obvious changes include suede, which they suggest might be an option. I'm guessing the suede might be replaced with another option in other ZL1s.

The ducts are functional. If there is a duct on the car, it works. The brakes have ducts, like the Z06. The hood has heat extractors and even carbon fiber. They all work.

Bob Lutz had a direction. Lutz told them to hit the concept with the 2010 Camaro. They hit it within "a gnat's ass." The new direction is to be the best and stay there.

They are listening. The Camaro team is quietly online looking for feedback. They said some of the people you already know online are members of the Camaro team, and we have no idea who they are. When we post how we feel about something, GM pays very close attention.

Convertibles will have black or beige canvas tops. They had really bad experiences with vinyl in testing, and the white looked awful once it got dirty.

Testing involves the competition. The convertible top is way better than the Mustang. The Camaro is designed to beat the competition. When GM builds a car, they want it to win all the time, so they figure out what the competition is doing and beat it.

Short passengers, rejoice. There is a 6-way driver and passenger seat. They wanted to do this in 2010, but safety regulations got in the way. Apparently, the new passenger seat will be able to bolt into all current 5th generation Camaros. If you have a really short passenger, you can install an adjustable seat. Your dealer won't do it, but it would make a good DIY project. In fact, do it, and then post a Camaro5 DIY discussion.

I took some footage of Al Oppenheiser publicly introducing the ZL1. Please enjoy.

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Old 02-12-2011, 03:23 PM   #3
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Where is the footage you speak of?
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:28 PM   #5
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I'm already retrying. This shouldn't take too long. Get excited everyone.
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better step on it. I'm about to leave work
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You could have skipped work altogether and seen it yourself!
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:59 PM   #9
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Good work Blur, but it was so much better in person :-D and the meet and greet was great this morning. Can't wait to see everyone again in Oshawa
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First off and mostly I would like to thank The_Blur for posting this information. It sheds much light on the ZL1, Camaro in general, and what steps and lengths GM and Chevy go through to bring us our products. I have found your post to be very educational and enlightening. I hope everyone reads it, there is much that can be learned from it and it gives everyone a better understanding of the processes involved in a real time way for us Camaro enthusiasts. The upper management clearly is focused and commited to the Camaro line and cares deeply for the product. That impresses me. Thank you Chevy for taking such great guardianship of the Camaro line, thank you one and all.
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Thanks for sharing and I bet the ZL1 when released, will stomp the GT500 into submission.....................
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:50 PM   #15
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I was at the Breakfast at the Chicago auto show and it was a great time. It was good see some of the 5th Gen members. The question and answer session seemed to helped to address some of our concerns. It was good meet Al, John and Scott.
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Very nice. Great view of the car, and nice to see Al Talk about it.
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Very cool Q&A, thanks for sharing!

So what do you think Al's opinion on the sunroof for the ZL1 is? I'd be willing to bet he's against it (and I'd agree if that's the case) but didn't want to say.
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We're very lucky in Chicago that these guys were at the show and spent 2 hours with us. That was really cool. I did get some back ground info about going up to see the car before the show opened. Remember we were supposed to head up before 10. Well the show wouldn't let GM bring us in before the gates officially opened and I guess some GM staff really put up a fight for us. I think this really shows that GM has its consumers in mind. You don't hear many other car companies holding events like this. Thanks again to the Camaro team for today's event.
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Interior Updates

The ZL1 is just great! Anyone knows whether some of this interior updates and back up camera will make it down to the SS LT trims?
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The last thing is pricing? I don't believe that for a minute I don't care who said it. It's clearly meant to compete with the GT-500, so I'd expect it to fall in that general price range. They had to of had a general price range in mind from the start, what it would sell for versus cost to make.
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Since you guys got up close and personal with it lemme ask you something. The front lip, side skirt, and rear valance in the black pastic it is now, does it looks cheap in person. I ask this because in some photos it looks good and other photos it appears cheap.
Another question that you might or might not be able to answer. I personal love the suede on the inside for 1 its function over leather and 2 its higher end look and feel. but it being an option what will be standerd? id assume leather in the same place the suede is.

Im soo looking forward to the day i can see this car in person.
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Im soo looking forward to the day i can see this car in person.
Me too! I'm going Monday and am really excited. I plan to hang out at the ZL1 display for a very long time like some kind of weirdo stalker, lol.
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"It is a track car. It is a drag car." Al Oppenheiser described the ZL1 as a machine intended to race. Those of you who get one will not be disappointed. When asked about what benchmarks GM had in mind, all three of them simply said that they want to be the best.




The_Blur you rock thanks for your post of the coverage at the show.

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The last thing is pricing? I don't believe that for a minute I don't care who said it. It's clearly meant to compete with the GT-500, so I'd expect it to fall in that general price range. They had to of had a general price range in mind from the start, what it would sell for versus cost to make.
I believe it was Scott, who pointed out that really, they were not at liberty to point out much of what is happening behind the scenes for competitive reasons. Let's get real folks, this is a highly competitive market.

And really, how can they nail down the price until all the details and engineering is finished? Ain't gonna happen!

All of these companies are in competition with each other. One of the Team Members (I don't recall who) indicated that Ford was certainly looking at what the Camaro Team has done with the ZL1, and preparing thier response.

These are really pretty heady times in this segment of the Business.

Who would have guessed, back in 1977, that we would ever see cars with this kind of performance.

All I can say is, "WOW!"
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