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Old 02-14-2011, 09:39 PM   #51
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Am i the only one who thought the IROC line looked ok? I know the power plant sucked...but it wasn't as bad as the Berlinetta...
I thought the IROC line looked great. Much better than the V6 and the Z28 in the late 80's. But I'm biased. (See avatar)
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:44 PM   #52
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They should stop and think different like Apple does when evaluating their own products. Don't just change it for the sake of changing something; study what was good, what was okay, what wasn't so good, and improve it. Change it to make it better; fix the things that need fixing. Upgrade the FUNCTIONALITY; not just change the look.

It needs interior improvements. Some weight reduction. Strengthen the drivetrain. Better bushings (they can learn from Pedders how to do this without sacrificing ride quality).

Make the next version a better CAMARO; not just a cosmetic change. This has always been the downfall of Detroit automakers; they start with a great car, then slowly hokey/crap it up with "special editions" etc. until it's a sad mess of what used to be a great car. Just like software companies, they add "features" no one asked for, and ignore fixing the things that their existing customers have been complaining about. The software slowly gets bigger, clumsier, slower... until it's just disappointing at best.

DON'T DO IT CHEVY! You started something fantastic with this Camaro; STAY THE COURSE. Learn from Apple's approach. Study the forums; listen to all the feedback from the people who bought the car and make the next one so good that they'll buy it again. There's a reason why Apple is debt-free, has $60 billion in the bank, and is the #1 tech company in the world. Follow their lead and make the next Camaro the evolutionary improvement of this first fantastic car.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:16 PM   #53
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The devil will be in the details. Do they pull off real special editions or just a few minor cosmetic changes and try to claim it is special. How about a special edition with a 427 in it. How about a full pedderized SS track special that weighs 3400 lbs. How about a line up of GMPP that are the real deal instead of just bling. Those things would keep GM in money for a while. A different color paint and a name change for 5K won't.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:37 PM   #54
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what other names are in the camaro heritage that are really usable, other than z28?
The most awesomnest camaro of them all, nothing to this day can even compare until the zl1 is produced! Oh yes I'm talking about the mighty berlinetta! Lmao!
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:25 AM   #55
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They should stop and think different like Apple does when evaluating their own products. Don't just change it for the sake of changing something; study what was good, what was okay, what wasn't so good, and improve it. Change it to make it better; fix the things that need fixing. Upgrade the FUNCTIONALITY; not just change the look.

It needs interior improvements. Some weight reduction. Strengthen the drivetrain. Better bushings (they can learn from Pedders how to do this without sacrificing ride quality).

Make the next version a better CAMARO; not just a cosmetic change. This has always been the downfall of Detroit automakers; they start with a great car, then slowly hokey/crap it up with "special editions" etc. until it's a sad mess of what used to be a great car. Just like software companies, they add "features" no one asked for, and ignore fixing the things that their existing customers have been complaining about. The software slowly gets bigger, clumsier, slower... until it's just disappointing at best.

DON'T DO IT CHEVY! You started something fantastic with this Camaro; STAY THE COURSE. Learn from Apple's approach. Study the forums; listen to all the feedback from the people who bought the car and make the next one so good that they'll buy it again. There's a reason why Apple is debt-free, has $60 billion in the bank, and is the #1 tech company in the world. Follow their lead and make the next Camaro the evolutionary improvement of this first fantastic car.
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Old 02-15-2011, 01:25 AM   #56
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I say they can't bring back the Berlinetta unless it has the funky swivel stereo on the center console, lol

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Old 02-15-2011, 01:33 AM   #57
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I wish the TF3 edition looks just like the movie car, when the last TF edition Camaro came out I was so freaking disappointed, make it right Chevrolet and I will buy it...doubt that's gonna happen
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:06 AM   #58
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So instead of the rumored interior improvements I've been waiting for in the 2012 models, G.M. will sneak them into one of their new versions that come out every six months. Nice...not!
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Old 02-15-2011, 07:02 AM   #59
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Old 02-15-2011, 08:16 AM   #60
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they should make an IROC Z eddition . T-top please
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:17 AM   #61
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idk if this is a good idea for chevy and the camaro. they already have great sales numbers with a solid following of customers. if they flood the market with a bunch of different cars its only going to alienate us diehards, and ruin the image with "special editions" that are probably nothing more then some different stripes/color and a new spoiler/wheels. my family has been in the car business for a while and i cant count how may mustang owners ive talked to who love their car when they buy it but 6 months later there is a newer edition.
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:12 AM   #62
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Can we finally get the "Black" Edition?
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:25 AM   #63
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The TF3 car would be horrible. I've often wondered about bringing back the Berlinetta, but I'm not sure I would recommend it. Maybe a new Yenko edition or some special edition releases similar to the one-offs or unofficial low-run mods we see with aftermarket suppliers like Hurst or SLP.
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:33 AM   #64
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They should stop and think different like Apple does when evaluating their own products. Don't just change it for the sake of changing something; study what was good, what was okay, what wasn't so good, and improve it. Change it to make it better; fix the things that need fixing. Upgrade the FUNCTIONALITY; not just change the look.

It needs interior improvements. Some weight reduction. Strengthen the drivetrain. Better bushings (they can learn from Pedders how to do this without sacrificing ride quality).

Make the next version a better CAMARO; not just a cosmetic change. This has always been the downfall of Detroit automakers; they start with a great car, then slowly hokey/crap it up with "special editions" etc. until it's a sad mess of what used to be a great car. Just like software companies, they add "features" no one asked for, and ignore fixing the things that their existing customers have been complaining about. The software slowly gets bigger, clumsier, slower... until it's just disappointing at best.

DON'T DO IT CHEVY! You started something fantastic with this Camaro; STAY THE COURSE. Learn from Apple's approach. Study the forums; listen to all the feedback from the people who bought the car and make the next one so good that they'll buy it again. There's a reason why Apple is debt-free, has $60 billion in the bank, and is the #1 tech company in the world. Follow their lead and make the next Camaro the evolutionary improvement of this first fantastic car.
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:34 AM   #65
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I just don't want to lose count on all the special edition camaros, just like the mustangs
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:57 AM   #66
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what other names are in the camaro heritage that are really usable, other than z28?
IROC? (also I love the acronym people have made for IROC, )
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:04 AM   #67
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I cant wait to see them
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:06 AM   #68
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Not a big fan of replicars

I don't know why anyone would want a replica of the Indy Pace Car for example. Save the premium for it and get a really good painter to do a little work on a standard one and you have something unique that is yours. There's a four or five year old Vette replicar from an past Indy and IMHO it looks stupid. Plus the vinyl is starting to fade and peel.
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IROC? (also I love the acronym people have made for IROC, )
lol. would that be; Italian Retard Out Cruising?
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:23 AM   #70
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Limited editions are ridiculous and don't mean anything towards the value of a car. I have a 96 Camaro SS (1 of 2410) that is more limited than a 35th anniversary SS and no one seems to really care. They are just cars with different colors and stickers. Make them more functional and more people will but them...period.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:51 AM   #71
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I say they can't bring back the Berlinetta unless it has the funky swivel stereo on the center console, lol

I loved BOTH of my Berlinetta's...my V8 T-top was a great car. I had a LOT of fun in that car, and it remains one of my all time favorite cars ever.
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Old 02-15-2011, 11:53 AM   #72
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Limited editions are ridiculous and don't mean anything towards the value of a car. I have a 96 Camaro SS (1 of 2410) that is more limited than a 35th anniversary SS and no one seems to really care. They are just cars with different colors and stickers. Make them more functional and more people will but them...period.
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Old 02-15-2011, 12:12 PM   #73
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What model Camaro is shown on the homepage link for this article? I like the looks with the dove tail spoiler and the ground effects, and the stripe works well.
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How about in one of those editions you put some color screens for the center DIC, radio, NAV and/or HVAC controls. GM, you know we can get those in a $20k Hyundai, right?
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taking after ford we will see if it helps them. IMO i hate mustang because they have the blue, black, pink, Harley Davidson, king ranch, miami, cobra, gt, gt500, sky,lake, clouds, woods editions(over exagirated).
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