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Old 02-05-2009, 11:44 AM   #1
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1/4 mile time might not be as good as everyone hopes

ok, now I am starting to think that te Camaro SS will not be all that fast, maybe low 13's at best, because the freaking G8 GXP ran a best of 13.3 when Motortrend(yeah I know, I know) did it's test on it. But then again there are quite a few people with minimal mods and a tune running 12's with the G8 GT. I dunno, it just makes me think that the Challenger adn Mustang will be about dead even with it, and what is For decides to drop 400+ in the Mustang, the new GT runs 13.3 as well.
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:46 AM   #2
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Isn't the G8 GXP heavier than the Camaro?
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:49 AM   #3
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either way, youll be driving a Camaro and not a mustang or challenger... so whats the problem?
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:54 AM   #4
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Isn't the G8 GXP heavier than the Camaro?
The 6-speed GXP is 3980 lbs, while the 6-speed SS is supposedly 3860.

Car And Driver also got 13.3 @ 109 mph from the GXP, so that matches Motor Trend's numbers.

So there is a ~ 100 lb weight difference, and possibly a gear ratio difference, so it is possible the SS could do the 1/4 mile in the high 12s.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:04 PM   #5
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GXPs can be ordered with a Tremec 6-speed manual transmission and SRT8s can't. Both our test cars, however, had automatics, five speeds in the Dodge, six for the Pontiac. Each has manual-select gates and we still prefer the Dodge's left-right gear selector over the Pontiac's fore-aft system. Then again, the Pontiac's automatic is more in tune with the driver, matching revs on downshifts.

Running through those gears, the G8 just barely beat the Charger, the score in seconds to 60 mph being Pontiac 4.7, Dodge 4.9. The margin slimmed to 0.1 sec. though the quarter-mile, the Pontiac running 13.1 sec. at 109.4 mph, the Dodge 13.2 at 108.8. While the LS3 does its work with a strong, healthy exhaust sound, the rumble of the Hemi is enough to make any V-8 lover weak in the knees.
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Maybe R&T are just better drivers?
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:04 PM   #6
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But....

The G8 seems more aerodynamic than the Camaro

and out of the three, ( and this is very unbiased here) The challenger seem to be more aerodyanmic than the Mustang and Camaro





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Old 02-05-2009, 12:29 PM   #7
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I though for the GXP you could just use "performance mode" and it would make the shifting quicker, harder, and later on the rpms to take out human error.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:30 PM   #8
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Also the GXP doesn't have the half-shaft improvements to allow for better, smoother launches.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:49 PM   #9
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ok, now I am starting to think that te Camaro SS will not be all that fast, maybe low 13's at best, because the freaking G8 GXP ran a best of 13.3 when Motortrend(yeah I know, I know) did it's test on it. But then again there are quite a few people with minimal mods and a tune running 12's with the G8 GT. I dunno, it just makes me think that the Challenger adn Mustang will be about dead even with it, and what is For decides to drop 400+ in the Mustang, the new GT runs 13.3 as well.
Actually Motortrend got a 13.0 out of the GXP..http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ons_specs.html
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I have watched this site for over a year now and i finally couldnt stand it and had to join so i could post.....I have had 6 mustangs in the past anywhere from my wifes stock convertible to my 10 second mustang....the GXP is running 109 mph with an auto..the 6 speed version should be about 111 at least 2mph faster....anyway my point is i have tons of 1/4 mile passes at 11.9-12.2 at 110mph....so the new camaro with drag radials with 1.8 60's will run deep into the 12's at probably 110-112 mph.....with some drivers getting into the 11's stock
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:12 PM   #11
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I have watched this site for over a year now and i finally couldnt stand it and had to join so i could post.....I have had 6 mustangs in the past anywhere from my wifes stock convertible to my 10 second mustang....the GXP is running 109 mph with an auto..the 6 speed version should be about 111 at least 2mph faster....anyway my point is i have tons of 1/4 mile passes at 11.9-12.2 at 110mph....so the new camaro with drag radials with 1.8 60's will run deep into the 12's at probably 110-112 mph.....with some drivers getting into the 11's stock
11's stock, no way in hell, even with drag radials.
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:34 PM   #12
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doessnt matter if its stock or not i am looking at the MPH?????
you have a 1998 camaro?
my wife's 2001 camaro with paper tags on it ran 13.3 at 106???
with a lid and k&n filter it ran 13.0's 107??? with automatic
at the time my friends 2001 trans am with 6 speed stock ran 12.4 at 110????
have you ever raced? i use to race for points at houston raceway park every sunday and i race jack pot almost every wednesday...i know maybe a little about racing....look at the mph...btw for those looking at the auto my wife's auto with full exhaust, kn filter and lid, and torque convertor was running 11.70's at 115...so the auto is not a bad choice....now i grant you most people will be running low 13's with 2.1-2.2 60's but people who know how to 60 in the 1.75-1.9 will run much better
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BTW the new record for fastest stock ls1 is 10.65 at 122 mph....you can even see it on 5thgen.com i think....record for the fastest 5.0 1993 rated at 205 hp mustang back in the day was 11.70 at i think 117 mph....granted these cars get to use slicks and suspension mods.....just to show the ls3 is a superior engine to the ls1.....there was a couple of guys with 05-09 mustangs with just a few bolt-ons running low 12's at 108 mph on drag radials two sundays ago at houston raceway park.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:15 PM   #14
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:37 PM   #15
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Lol MT and c&d can't drive. They get crappy 60's so. low et's. That's why the mph is so high for a 13.3. Assuming they got a 2.2 60' is what they got. Then someone that can really drive the car gets 1.9 60' that's 4.5 tenths off the 13.3 so 12.85 at 109 mph. Every tenth off ur 60' is worth 1.5 tenths. I can see someone getting with dr's a 1.4 60' that would put u on the edge of an 11 second pass. Just think about it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:06 PM   #16
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BTW the new record for fastest stock ls1 is 10.65 at 122 mph....you can even see it on 5thgen.com i think....record for the fastest 5.0 1993 rated at 205 hp mustang back in the day was 11.70 at i think 117 mph....granted these cars get to use slicks and suspension mods.....just to show the ls3 is a superior engine to the ls1.....there was a couple of guys with 05-09 mustangs with just a few bolt-ons running low 12's at 108 mph on drag radials two sundays ago at houston raceway park.
Fastest stock ls1 is 10.65?? Not understanding that one....
I guess I can see everyone's point on this. It does have a high trap speed, but I would be one not to catch that in reading because I havn't ever been to a dragstrip and raced myself. I do have a 99 Z28 that is basically stock A4 with 2.73's, and when I first bought it I was impressed, but now I'm getting used to it. I hope the 5th gen does do really good, I'd like to see it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:35 PM   #17
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I have watched this site for over a year now and i finally couldnt stand it and had to join so i could post.....I have had 6 mustangs in the past anywhere from my wifes stock convertible to my 10 second mustang....the GXP is running 109 mph with an auto..the 6 speed version should be about 111 at least 2mph faster....anyway my point is i have tons of 1/4 mile passes at 11.9-12.2 at 110mph....so the new camaro with drag radials with 1.8 60's will run deep into the 12's at probably 110-112 mph.....with some drivers getting into the 11's stock

I think the car is just too heavy for it to get in the 11's stock .... (maybe Evan Smith can do it .. but not too many others .. lol)

It will be interesting to see what people can do with it though ..

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doessnt matter if its stock or not i am looking at the MPH?????
you have a 1998 camaro?
my wife's 2001 camaro with paper tags on it ran 13.3 at 106???
with a lid and k&n filter it ran 13.0's 107??? with automatic
at the time my friends 2001 trans am with 6 speed stock ran 12.4 at 110????
have you ever raced? i use to race for points at houston raceway park every sunday and i race jack pot almost every wednesday...i know maybe a little about racing....look at the mph...btw for those looking at the auto my wife's auto with full exhaust, kn filter and lid, and torque convertor was running 11.70's at 115...so the auto is not a bad choice....now i grant you most people will be running low 13's with 2.1-2.2 60's but people who know how to 60 in the 1.75-1.9 will run much better

I call bullshit. I had an 06 GTO that was more simular is wieght and engine. no way in hell it will be in the 11's. It will be high 12's. The trap speeds your quoting are not close to normal for stock cars. A 107/108 normally equals low 13's htere is no way that car ran a 110 stock.
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The 6-speed GXP is 3980 lbs, while the 6-speed SS is supposedly 3860.

Car And Driver also got 13.3 @ 109 mph from the GXP, so that matches Motor Trend's numbers.

So there is a ~ 100 lb weight difference, and possibly a gear ratio difference, so it is possible the SS could do the 1/4 mile in the high 12s.
G8 GXP with autos have 3.27:1 ratio, manuals have a 3.70:1 ratio...

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Old 02-06-2009, 08:07 AM   #20
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wow, there's never been a thread on this exact same thing 100 times before
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Well i have lots of video's but they are are vhs and i dont know how to convert to something to post....anyways if i did you would just say its not stock...so anyways i am not a magazine reader i am a doer! The fact is just google for a mph/1/4 mile converter and put in the weight of the camaro and the 109.6mph that they got from a GXP and whallaa it comes to 12.3 at 109.6??? Sinse the gxp is rated a at few less horsepower and it weighs i think people say 100lbs more and also dont forget a manual will put at least 20 more hp to the dyno than an auto......whalla again 11.9 at 112? Granted the calculator is assuming you are getting a very good 60' which most people wont do....most people will either bog or spin and average 60's will be 2.1....your argument is flawed? they just tested a 2010 mustang that ran 13.4 at 104 do you really think the camaro is gonna run 13.4 at 108 obviously the mustang has a decent 60' and the camaro a poor one. when i first bought my 1993 gt in ran 14.4 at 96 after lots of practice, speed shifting, and rpm shift points i finally managed a 13.18 at 101.5mph with a 1.81 60' on the stock goodyears at the time....the only mod to the car was a 3.73 gear
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Paul you have all the qualities of a bonafide bench racer. There's just no realistic thought process that justifies those numbers from these 3800+ lbs cars....stock. It's not physically possible.
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hmm the one thing I will say in Pauls defense is the calculators that you find when you google tend to lean closer to what he's saying than what we are.
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I believe Paul may consider any mods that aren't internal to the engine stock.
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I call bullshit. I had an 06 GTO that was more simular is wieght and engine. no way in hell it will be in the 11's. It will be high 12's. The trap speeds your quoting are not close to normal for stock cars. A 107/108 normally equals low 13's htere is no way that car ran a 110 stock.
All I got to say is with a bad driver that's low 13's with a trap that high. With a good driver (good 60 ft) that's a high 12
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