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View Poll Results: Do you still want Z28?
I'll take Z28 over ZL1 any day! 68 29.69%
Nah - ZL1 suits me just fine 120 52.40%
I'll wait for Z28 until the 6th Generation comes out 41 17.90%
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:23 PM   #18
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GM is listening. I can't say they're listening here, but the encourage Twitter comments and I've read there are members here, that we don't even know about being on Team CAMARO. We already know of an obvious few , but one just doesn't really know who they're talking to nowadays.

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Old 02-14-2011, 04:43 PM   #19
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Radz, like you and few others I was a little disappointed that they did not name the new car Z28, but like Dragoneye I have gotten over it and can live with the name ZL1 very easily. At least they did not name it HPE! I truly believe that the Z28 will be built but my best guess is that they will wait for the new chassis. I think the ZL1 will be built until the new Alpha chassis Camaro is released and then it will be dropped in favor of the 5.5 DI Z28. Now, considering that I have been wrong the majority of the time with my guesses on this forum, you might be wise not to put a lot of weight on what I say. But on the other hand I am bound to be right at least once in my life, it just might not be this time.
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:48 PM   #20
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Radz, like you and few others I was a little disappointed that they did not name the new car Z28, but like Dragoneye I have gotten over it and can live with the name ZL1 very easily. At least they did not name it HPE! I truly believe that the Z28 will be built but my best guess is that they will wait for the new chassis. I think the ZL1 will be built until the new Alpha chassis Camaro is released and then it will be dropped in favor of the 5.5 DI Z28. Now, considering that I have been wrong the majority of the time with my guesses on this forum, you might be wise not to put a lot of weight on what I say. But on the other hand I am bound to be right at least once in my life, it just might not be this time.
Yeah - I'm over it, like you guys; I'm very much in support of ZL1 now. It makes a lot more sense after the intial shock shakes off. Though I never thought they'd give it that awful name, you just never know; ZL1 is a perfect example, for me; I never took it that seriously. I was right on LSA, the brakes, MR, and some other goodies, but am so pleased I can't even express with the additional stuff. I couldn't be more pleased unless we learn the price is just right.

You may be right on the new chassis though. Because I believe (only through internet conjecture) the 6th Gen will come around 2015, I just don't think it's good for GM to wait that long. I don't think they'll run 5th and 6th Gen models side-by-side, so I'm thinking we'll see it sooner. I think it'd be super-easy to adjust the shocks, springs and swaybars on ZL1 for a lighter Gen IV 6.2, add some power (a bit bigger cam, EPS, tubular manifolds, dual-mode exhaust, etc.), lose some content (thinner glass, less sound deadening, no back seat, optional lighter Recaros, etc.) to lower the mass, and run a different aero' package (Leno features) and SSX wheels, and we have a WINNER. Obviously, validation and all that good stuff takes time, but the Boss has been introduced for a while, so I don't think it'd take long to shift from ZL1 completion (probably through the summer into fall) and get into Z28 the second quarter of 2012. I don't think it's a good idea to wait for a couple more years, but I'm not sure it could happen that fast.
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Old 02-14-2011, 07:33 PM   #21
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GM is listening. I can't say they're listening here, but the encourage Twitter comments and I've read there are members here, that we don't even know about being on Team CAMARO. We already know of an obvious few , but one just doesn't really know who they're talking to nowadays.

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I'm pretty sure seeing and listening in on this forum...especially this forum. I've been on the other forum and do not see 1/4 of ZL1 info on there
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:11 PM   #23
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I voted ZL1 works suites me just fine, but not because I don't wish to see the Z/28 coming out soon. In my opinion it will be out and GM is holding all the cards. The ZL1 will be the perfect match for the GT500 and stomp it. As i said in a earlier post if they make a 5th gen Z/28 it should have the 5.3L engine with a hot hot cam better flowing heads maybe some headers (get around 450 hp out of it NA) shave 500 lbs with carbon fiber where ever they can. Recaro seats would be a plus. It should fit in between the SS and the ZL1. I love the ZL1 wheels and the Z/28 should have its own wheels too maybe the SSX wheels. I want to be selfish too and be able to say to the mustang crowd, "bring me your best we have one better"
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Basically, I think the Z28 should be the most powerful Camaro without a supercharger,
that can be produced. They have to be able to be enjoyed on the road, and compete at the track, with
AUTOMATIC & MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS AVAILABLE...PERIOD, END OF STORY!

PLEASE BRING BACK THE Z28 NAMEPLATE!
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:52 PM   #25
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You know, I've been thinking......they did extensive aerodynamic and handling modifications to the Camaro when they created the ZL1....

While I like to entertain the thought that there will be a Z28 produced.....I can't help but look at the ZL1 as a Camaro with all the handling prowess we're looking for in a Z28...and then they went and added a metric crap-ton of power on top...


I wonder (this is PURELY speculation)....

What if the ZL1 can out-handle a Boss? Would anybody feel the need for a Z28 competitor for reasons other than to see the name return?
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:33 PM   #26
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:33 PM   #27
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You know, I've been thinking......they did extensive aerodynamic and handling modifications to the Camaro when they created the ZL1....

While I like to entertain the thought that there will be a Z28 produced.....I can't help but look at the ZL1 as a Camaro with all the handling prowess we're looking for in a Z28...and then they went and added a metric crap-ton of power on top...


I wonder (this is PURELY speculation)....

What if the ZL1 can out-handle a Boss? Would anybody feel the need for a Z28 competitor for reasons other than to see the name return?

The main reason a Z28 would be brought into production is Grand Am. Grand Am has rules and cars like the Boss 302, M3 and maybe someday the Z28 are built specifically for that task. Sure the GT500 and ZL1s can run a road course faster than the Boss and Z28 will... for a couple of laps, then heat soak, non-racing pads and just overall endurance will wear the brutes out. Hell, even fuel will become an issue eventually... I'm not sure the ZL1 or the GT500 can "out-handle" the RR's, generating Gs and braking would most likely go to the lighter cars but exits would be easier with the large amount out torque the S/Cs provide.

I view the SCCA/NASA and Grand Am spec'd cars as thoroughbreds, put on this planet for one reason, to push the envelope. If Grand Am wouldn't set the rules then the richest man would win and everybody would drive GT500's and ZL1s. The new Boss was built from Multimatics Grand Am Boss 302R that ran every race last year, the GT500 was tested on a closed track... behind a curtain... to do showroom battle as a Halo car... and thats what the ZL1 is... The ZL1 will never be road raced...
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:41 PM   #28
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The ZL1 will never be road raced...
???? *raised eyebrows*

Maybe not in competition.....but then neither will any factory car these days. Even the CTS-V had significant bodywork done to meet series-specs.

ZL1 should be most competent on a Road Course....moreso than many might thing. But I'm going to take a bit of my own advise and stop there until we know what the numbers are for sure.


EDIT: I just realized this underlies the whole reason I want a ZL1....competition road-race-ready cars are of no interest to me where purchase is concerned. I'll stop before I stick my foot in my mouth...

The theoretical question still stands...if a ZL1 out-handle the Boss and out-perform the GT500...would anybody still really want another Camaro variant?
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The theoretical question still stands...if a ZL1 out-handle the Boss and out-perform the GT500...would anybody still really want another Camaro variant?

Ummm yes, I think that we all know the answer for that...the Z/28 would sell on just namesake alone, but I am sure that GM wouldn't release one unless it met "our" standards. Besides most people like what they see but can only buy what they can afford. If the ZL1 comes in at 47 grand then there is a lot of wiggle room in between that and the SS. Its up to those who want what part of what in a car. The Corvette has several trim levels but all in all its a Corvette, a class all to itself...a person purchases one because they can afford to and they feel like an eliete group. Those that truly have a need for speed and handling buy the ZR1
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i'm good with a 11' ss...way too early to be thinkin about something more expensive.
i'd love to be thinkin about either z, but on retirement ya gotta save for your toys.
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To decide on such question... personally, i need to be in both the ZL-1 and Z28.. then I'll know which to prefer.

From what i can analyze now, I'd go for the ZL-1!
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If the Z28 turns out to be a track car like some have suggested with the back seat removed, lightened glass, adjustable coil overs, sound deadening removed and a NA engine, that is not what I would be looking for. For me, the ZL1 has 99% of what I was looking and hoping for in the car. I have absolutely no plans to race the car other than occasional drag strip outing and maybe a couple of local parking lot auto crosses. The majority of the time will be spent going from place to place in comfort and wreaking havoc on Mustangs and Challengers. Team Camaro built the perfect car for me. To make it 100% they only have to add a Heritage Grill, Sunroof and black out the chrome around the tail lights. Even if they do not make these changes, how often can you buy a car that meets 99% of your expectations?
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ZL1 would have to be revolutionary to out-handle the Boss. Face it - the Boss is simple - low weight, great power, relatively simple chassis tuning. ZL1 is going to weigh several hundred pounds more (I seriously feel like it will - no biggie), but a more advanced chassis, and more power. I believe GM is taking handling very seriously; look how they simply relocated the rear swaybar link points on the lower control arms. If ZL1 could beat a Boss; I don't really think Z28 will come.

I maintain that I don't think ZL1 will out-handle a Boss, though - it's just physics to me, and though that can largely be overcome with technology, but technology costs money, and I really don't think GM wants to get too close to CTS-V in price, because I think they want to keep it a good value for CAMARO-guys and gals.

I AM surprised to see what seems like a lack of either support or interest in Z28 now. If this interest is accurate on the whole, perhaps the Boss won't be successful, so why would we need Z28 if it's not going to sell well? All I know is, I want Z28 in the line-up, and I want it to do the name justice. I'd be disappointed to learn ZL1 took it's place only to have pushed it out of the 5th Generation because there wasn't significant enough competition (not relative to performance - only in interest and relevance). I'm surprised at some of the reactions...

Hmm...
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If the Z28 turns out to be a track car like some have suggested with the back seat removed, lightened glass, adjustable coil overs, sound deadening removed and a NA engine, that is not what I would be looking for. For me, the ZL1 has 99% of what I was looking and hoping for in the car. I have absolutely no plans to race the car other than occasional drag strip outing and maybe a couple of local parking lot auto crosses. The majority of the time will be spent going from place to place in comfort and wreaking havoc on Mustangs and Challengers. Team Camaro built the perfect car for me. To make it 100% they only have to add a Heritage Grill, Sunroof and black out the chrome around the tail lights. Even if they do not make these changes, how often can you buy a car that meets 99% of your expectations?
I still wish ZL1 was Z28...
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