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Old 02-07-2009, 07:16 AM   #1
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Arrow 370Z vs Cayman S vs 911 vs 135i vs S2000



Wow. is all i have to say. It doesnt matter about who came 1st of 2nd. Look at the lap times! The 370Z nearly tied the 911! It beat everything else. Nissan engineers only wanted to build a car that would beat a Cayman S. They managed to build one that would give the 911 something to think about.


Anyway, I wonder how the Camaro would've done here. I think it would've kept up on the twisties but simply overtake everone on the big strait.
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Good to hear the new 370Z is such a fine performer.

Good looking car yet when I went to the dealer and saw a 41 grand sticker I started to laugh..

I'm sure you can order a car with less options but at 41 grand...I'd have to take a pass..

Hope it sells well for nissan. Nice car.
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Anyway, I wonder how the Camaro would've done here. I think it would've kept up on the twisties but simply overtake everone on the big strait.
Sadly, but as expected, it would have come in last place against those sportscars.
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Sadly, but as expected, it would have come in last place against those sportscars.
It should beat the S2000, no?
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How would the Camaro have done? I'm not sure. There is a big difference between running laps and racing. Running laps against the clock, the Camaro likely be mid pack. But looking at the layout of the track, the Camaro shouldn't be at much of a disadvantage. Couple tight turns, few chicanes, and some nice open stretches. It will be hard for the Camaro to be outbraked heading in, and it will have a lot of punch coming out. If it were to reach the corner first and hold the inside line, there isn't much that anyone could do to stop it. Easier said than done of course. It would be close, thats for sure.

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It should beat the S2000, no?
But . . . but . . . but the S2000 makes like 120 hp/L . . .
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Wow unfortunately they werent using the updated cayman S with 324 HP rather than 294 HP. im sure the cayman would have won by a larger margin if they used the new one.

Im very confident that the camaro would finish behind the cayman and in front of the nissan GM has proven that their cars are extremely fast around the track (zr1, cts-v)
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If anyone had been hesitant about excepting the performance aspect of the 370z, this should put that to rest. The 370z is a porsche like car that needs to be reckoned with.. And though i personally am not going to spend 35-37k on a car, It does Warrant the price tag.


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Wow unfortunately they werent using the updated cayman S with 324 HP rather than 294 HP. im sure the cayman would have won by a larger margin if they used the new one.

Im very confident that the camaro would finish behind the cayman and in front of the nissan GM has proven that their cars are extremely fast around the track (zr1, cts-v)
A. what makes you think they used an old car in the new video?

B. The only reason the Cayman won was because of the starting position it had... look at the best lap times. 3rd place.

C. Its nice to be optomistic but i dont think the camaro would be able to beat any of these 4 on a real track with a decent amount of twisties. Let alone the Nissan which beat all of them aside from the 100k Porsche.
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I'd buy the 370z over the 911 or Cayman anyday.
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^^^^Your crazy. Its like saying you would have a GT-R over a 911 Turibo. Crazy....


For the money though, I see where your coming at.
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the 370z is operating at full capacity and has almost no room to improve, if i recall correctly a magazine review said that it felt unstable above 5000 rpm. the cayman is a work of art that could easily handle 500 hp but porsche wants to appeal to the rich snobs who feel that 911 is a better machine because its more expensive. the two reasons someone would buy a 370z is they prefer japanese styling over american, or they dont have 60k for a cayman
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If anyone had been hesitant about excepting the performance aspect of the 370z, this should put that to rest. The 370z is a porsche like car that needs to be reckoned with.. And though i personally am not going to spend 35-37k on a car, It does Warrant the price tag.


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A. what makes you think they used an old car in the new video?

B. The only reason the Cayman won was because of the starting position it had... look at the best lap times. 3rd place.

C. Its nice to be optomistic but i dont think the camaro would be able to beat any of these 4 on a real track with a decent amount of twisties. Let alone the Nissan which beat all of them aside from the 100k Porsche.
A. i have the old car in my driveway and i can tell the difference. the new one has an updated front end and LED lights.
B. the cayman won because it handles better (mid engine)
C. i have faith that the FE3 suspension will put the camaro in the 100k league since the FE2 puts the 6 cylinder in the G37 range
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^^^^Your crazy. Its like saying you would have a GT-R over a 911 Turibo. Crazy....


For the money though, I see where your coming at.
Yes, I'd take a GT-R over the 911 Turbo anyday.
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A. i have the old car in my driveway and i can tell the difference. the new one has an updated front end and LED lights.
B. the cayman won because it handles better (mid engine)
C. i have faith that the FE3 suspension will put the camaro in the 100k league since the FE2 puts the 6 cylinder in the G37 range
A. I dont believe you. The differences are subtle to the point that you could mistake them, and it doesnt make sense for them to use 3 brand new cars and 1 old one.

B. Funny. Did the Cayman beat the 911 because it handles better?

No. Ive got the 911 in My driveway and ive driven many Cayman's. The cayman is watered down compared to the 911. The Reason the Cayman won is because it had such a large lead, thanks to the Honda/BMW holding back the 911/370z, allowing the Cayman to surge ahead past the group.


once the Z/911 got out from behind the two captain-slow's, they caught up to the cayman. Something that WOULDNT have happened had the cayman been a more capable car. By the end of the race the Z and 911 were fighting with each other to pass up the Cayman... Given more time the outcome would have been different.


C. The problems that the Camaro will have are weight and body roll. Some serious sway bars and suspension work should do the trick but it will never be as track capable as these cars after similar work.
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He said that straight "A. I dont believe you"

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Old 02-08-2009, 03:47 PM   #16
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**Me chuckling...A LOT...at the underestimations being lodged against the Camaro**

I'm getting impatient for reviews and comparisons......
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**Me chuckling...A LOT...at the underestimations being lodged against the Camaro**

I'm getting impatient for reviews and comparisons......



Im sorry, i dont mean to underestimate the camaro. All of the Cars in this review are more $$ and have a significant weight advantage over the Camaro. I dont doubt that camaro WILL hold its own on the track, but until i see it translate into real world performances im going to be skeptical that the 3800lb+ camaro can hang with these cars which average less than 3250lbs
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Sure enough. And that's why I said I'm getting impatient. This car WILL hold it's own (if it doesn't outright win)...but there's no "acceptable proof" I can quote to back that statement up. :(
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Sure enough. And that's why I said I'm getting impatient. This car WILL hold it's own (if it doesn't outright win)...but there's no "acceptable proof" I can quote to back that statement up. :(

Hopefully the tests come out soon... Im still at a loss for any Great Idea as to why GM would be holding back the official SS reviews...

It cant be because of fit and finish... just look at the V6 test cars that were submited for review... I remember one reviewer noting how his car had both a manual gearbox AND paddle shifters
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A. I dont believe you. The differences are subtle to the point that you could mistake them, and it doesnt make sense for them to use 3 brand new cars and 1 old one.

B. Funny. Did the Cayman beat the 911 because it handles better?

No. Ive got the 911 in My driveway and ive driven many Cayman's. The cayman is watered down compared to the 911. The Reason the Cayman won is because it had such a large lead, thanks to the Honda/BMW holding back the 911/370z, allowing the Cayman to surge ahead past the group.


once the Z/911 got out from behind the two captain-slow's, they caught up to the cayman. Something that WOULDNT have happened had the cayman been a more capable car. By the end of the race the Z and 911 were fighting with each other to pass up the Cayman... Given more time the outcome would have been different.


C. The problems that the Camaro will have are weight and body roll. Some serious sway bars and suspension work should do the trick but it will never be as track capable as these cars after similar work.
A.http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...&id=1136250621 if you have facebook that should be proof enough, thats the cayman on a track day. if you own the car its easy to tell the difference. like some people can tell the difference between a regular C6 and a current Z06 i can tell the difference between two different caymans.

B. i never said the cayman was faster on the straights i said it handled better. it was clearly obvious that it is the slower straight line car. however the new cayman with about 20-30 more hp and ALOT more torque ( considering it just switched to direct injection) is alot closer to beating a 911 in a straight line. you should agree that the cayman handles better than the 911 (especially since it has a limited slip differential now).

C. how did the CTS-V beat all of its competitors being as over weight as it is? i know GM will work its magic once again
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A.http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...&id=1136250621 if you have facebook that should be proof enough, thats the cayman on a track day. if you own the car its easy to tell the difference. like some people can tell the difference between a regular C6 and a current Z06 i can tell the difference between two different caymans.

B. i never said the cayman was faster on the straights i said it handled better. it was clearly obvious that it is the slower straight line car. however the new cayman with about 20-30 more hp and ALOT more torque ( considering it just switched to direct injection) is alot closer to beating a 911 in a straight line. you should agree that the cayman handles better than the 911 (especially since it has a limited slip differential now).

C. how did the CTS-V beat all of its competitors being as over weight as it is? i know GM will work its magic once again
A. I believe that you have the car, i dont believe that they would have used an older model. Can you point out the specific differences? (as you can tell, im not a big cayman person so i dont know the body all that well)

B. i dont think the cayman has any advantage on a track. My expirience with the Cayman (though not on a track) gave me no reason to say it was better handling than a 911. The 911 pulls higher G's and has more power coming out of Corners. It also consistantly (even in THIS test) pulls out better lap times than the Cayman. As nice as the Cayman is, its not the best track car of that group. Day to day handling its comprable to the 911.

Like i said before, if the Cayman had been the most capable car it would have won by a LANDSLIDE, only increasing its lead after pulling out infront of the bmw/honda. But the Nissan and 911 caught up because they are more capable track cars. It was only a matter of time before it was passed.

C. The CTS-V has what, 550 hp? and what car are you reffering to it having beaten, the M5 ?

The M5 has significantly less power than the CTS-V... But unlike the Camaro vs. 370z comparison, where the Camaro has more power.. the M5 isnt the best cornering car, where as the Z is AMONG the best Cornering cars
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A. I believe that you have the car, i dont believe that they would have used an older model. Can you point out the specific differences? (as you can tell, im not a big cayman person so i dont know the body all that well)

B. i dont think the cayman has any advantage on a track. My expirience with the Cayman (though not on a track) gave me no reason to say it was better handling than a 911. The 911 pulls higher G's and has more power coming out of Corners. It also consistantly (even in THIS test) pulls out better lap times than the Cayman. As nice as the Cayman is, its not the best track car of that group. Day to day handling its comprable to the 911.

Like i said before, if the Cayman had been the most capable car it would have won by a LANDSLIDE, only increasing its lead after pulling out infront of the bmw/honda. But the Nissan and 911 caught up because they are more capable track cars. It was only a matter of time before it was passed.

C. The CTS-V has what, 550 hp? and what car are you reffering to it having beaten, the M5 ?

The M5 has significantly less power than the CTS-V... But unlike the Camaro vs. 370z comparison, where the Camaro has more power.. the M5 isnt the best cornering car, where as the Z is AMONG the best Cornering cars
A. the difference between the new and old cayman is very similar to the difference between the new and old 911. the easiest way to tell is the new strip of LED lights found where the fog lights are on the cayman on the video.
B. the advantage the 911 has is its HP advantage. the cayman is naturally better due to all the weight being focused on the center of the car, not the rear. for everyday driving it is a difference that is negligible, however once on the track the balance of the cayman allows it to take turns quicker than the 911. if the cayman were given the same HP as the 911, it would dominate it around the track but porsche has to appease the 911 owners. this has been tested before though, some people have taken the 3.6 L (or is it 3.8?)engine from the 911 and placed it in the cayman. i cant comment on how much better it is than a base cayman S since i havent done the upgrade myself (i only have exhaust and intake done)
C. the horsepower difference between the M5 and CTS-V is 50 horsepower, the difference between the camaro and 370z is almost 100. the CTS-V beat ever single 4-door car around the 'ring i dont know which one is in second place behind it but it is certainly slower than the cadillac.
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That IS the old Cayman S. Look at the front bumper. I have a picture of the new Cayman right in front of me in a magazine and the foglight layout is different than the one in the new car.
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I'm not a Porche guy by any means. All I know is that I don't like the looks of the Boxster. But--- this info/comparison may be of value for the discussion at hand:

This is a list of the recent Nurburgring track times set by cars up through about the middle of 2008:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

The Camaro's time (still 'unofficial'), was 8:20. The 350z's recorded time was 8:26.
The CTS-V pulled a 7.59, besting the likes of the '04 Porsche 997 Carrera S...and a few other extremely lighter-wieght cars.....don't know of what use that info might be - so...just sayin.
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A. the difference between the new and old cayman is very similar to the difference between the new and old 911. the easiest way to tell is the new strip of LED lights found where the fog lights are on the cayman on the video.
B. the advantage the 911 has is its HP advantage. the cayman is naturally better due to all the weight being focused on the center of the car, not the rear. for everyday driving it is a difference that is negligible, however once on the track the balance of the cayman allows it to take turns quicker than the 911. if the cayman were given the same HP as the 911, it would dominate it around the track but porsche has to appease the 911 owners. this has been tested before though, some people have taken the 3.6 L (or is it 3.8?)engine from the 911 and placed it in the cayman. i cant comment on how much better it is than a base cayman S since i havent done the upgrade myself (i only have exhaust and intake done)
C. the horsepower difference between the M5 and CTS-V is 50 horsepower, the difference between the camaro and 370z is almost 100. the CTS-V beat ever single 4-door car around the 'ring i dont know which one is in second place behind it but it is certainly slower than the cadillac.
A. That may be true, however it doesnt change the fact that the new Cayman S still records slower times than the 911... so ...

911>Cayman S.


And judging from the lap times, the 370z almost tied the best 911 lap time... sooo...

911>370z>CaymanS ?

B. Word.


C. I was actually referring to the 500lb/ft of Torque in the CTS-V vs. The 383lb/ft of torque in an M5. Quite a difference there, and Torque means a lot more when your racing 4000lb+ cars.


I LOVE the CTS-V. One of my favorite cars, and if i had 60k to blow on a car, it'd be a tough choice between this and a Vette... However it didnt win by some magic engineering. It won because it has a MONSTER engine, and it was Built by Americans. And i think americans can be summed up by Ricky Bobby. "I wanna go Fast!"
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