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Old 02-21-2011, 01:40 AM   #1
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Supercharge vs STS turbo vs Tunning

So far my mods are Injen PowerFlow CAI and MRT v2.0 .. and soon I thinking of BBK Long Tube Headers and Gear Upgrade 3.73 ....

However, I was just wondering what if I just save all the money and go for either Supercharge or STS Turbo ??

I was curious and would like to know what yall think. Why would/wouldn't yall go for Supercharge or Turbo instead of all tunnings.. ?

And here is my stupid noob question for you....
does supercharge or turbo have an impact on life expectancy of the engine ??

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Old 02-21-2011, 01:46 AM   #2
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I think STS is the only option right now, IPS is doing twin turbo testing right now on C5.
I thought about going Turbo, but now I'm going SS... seems just a better route for me.

A twin turbo v6 does sound nasty though.
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At this point there is no supercharger kit for the LLT. STS makes a single turbo kit and two companies are working on twin turbo kits (SC2050 and IPS). All of these options will get you beyond the RWHP of the SS with the LS3, but they aren't cheap when compared to the Long-Tube headers. If you go with the headers, then you will have to consider what that means for future mods. If you want to later go turbos, then then you will either have to toss the LTs or go with STS.

Anytime you go with FI you will reduce the longivity of the engine. However, if you use good synthetic oils and change them frequently it probably won't be enough that you will notice. Let's say this engine in stock form is good for 200K miles before a rebuild. With FI, resonable boost (say 6-8 psi), changing oil every 3K miles, tranny and differential every 9K, then you will probably still get 150-160K miles out of it. If you frequently trade in vehicles, then you probably won't notice that. If you plan to keep it and keep improving the performance, then you will probably put forged internals in long before 150K. That's my $0.02.
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I wonder why people making Turbo for the V6 and not supercharger.
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Old 02-21-2011, 01:40 PM   #5
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OP, I'd go Forced Induction. Just more fun LOL! However, when you go FI, you will have to baby your car even more... which isn't a bad thing, if u have time that is.
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I wonder why people making Turbo for the V6 and not supercharger.
I think from a development standpoint, turbos have always been easier than Superchargers. Also, Turbos give you more room to push for power, as where superchargers are more limited.

Correct me if Im wrong guys lol
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I think I'd rather go supercharged IF it was available, but it's not. I'm very interested in seeing what these twin turbos end up doing and what price point they will be coming in around.
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There is a company out there who has a supercharger on our engine gut it is for the Cadillac. We are in touch with them now to see when they are coming around for the Camaro.
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Old 02-21-2011, 06:36 PM   #9
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At this point there is no supercharger kit for the LLT. STS makes a single turbo kit and two companies are working on twin turbo kits (SC2050 and IPS). All of these options will get you beyond the RWHP of the SS with the LS3, but they aren't cheap when compared to the Long-Tube headers. If you go with the headers, then you will have to consider what that means for future mods. If you want to later go turbos, then then you will either have to toss the LTs or go with STS.

Anytime you go with FI you will reduce the longivity of the engine. However, if you use good synthetic oils and change them frequently it probably won't be enough that you will notice. Let's say this engine in stock form is good for 200K miles before a rebuild. With FI, resonable boost (say 6-8 psi), changing oil every 3K miles, tranny and differential every 9K, then you will probably still get 150-160K miles out of it. If you frequently trade in vehicles, then you probably won't notice that. If you plan to keep it and keep improving the performance, then you will probably put forged internals in long before 150K. That's my $0.02.
Thanks a lot for this information.. For real.
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As far as a super charger I think the biggest hold up is the tune. Even though Vince is doing a tune it's really now a true tune. Nobody is in it all the way :(.
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At this point there is no supercharger kit for the LLT. STS makes a single turbo kit and two companies are working on twin turbo kits (SC2050 and IPS). All of these options will get you beyond the RWHP of the SS with the LS3, but they aren't cheap when compared to the Long-Tube headers. If you go with the headers, then you will have to consider what that means for future mods. If you want to later go turbos, then then you will either have to toss the LTs or go with STS.

Anytime you go with FI you will reduce the longivity of the engine. However, if you use good synthetic oils and change them frequently it probably won't be enough that you will notice. Let's say this engine in stock form is good for 200K miles before a rebuild. With FI, resonable boost (say 6-8 psi), changing oil every 3K miles, tranny and differential every 9K, then you will probably still get 150-160K miles out of it. If you frequently trade in vehicles, then you probably won't notice that. If you plan to keep it and keep improving the performance, then you will probably put forged internals in long before 150K. That's my $0.02.
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/view.php?pcat=19
How about these v-5 Vortech Superchargers??
they say its made for 1.6~4.0 litter engines... since our LTs are 3.6 wouldn't these work for us too ???
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http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/view.php?pcat=19
How about these v-5 Vortech Superchargers??
they say its made for 1.6~4.0 litter engines... since our LTs are 3.6 wouldn't these work for us too ???
Sure would, and there was a guy on the forums for a while that was trying to do this. If you have experience, you can do it. If not, you will have to find someone that can fabricate stuff.

Edit -- Just saw where you live. You might want to PM Mike Norris (Indianapolis) and see if he is interested. He certainly has the skill but may not have the time.
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Old 02-21-2011, 07:26 PM   #13
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Sure would, and there was a guy on the forums for a while that was trying to do this. If you have experience, you can do it. If not, you will have to find someone that can fabricate stuff.

Edit -- Just saw where you live. You might want to PM Mike Norris (Indianapolis) and see if he is interested. He certainly has the skill but may not have the time.
Mike is trying to help the V6 motor guys with TB and such. He is short on time as he travels extensively doing tunes all over the world. Not sure if he knows about this but more likely than not, he does. Mike is good people, nice shop and knows his stuff!
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As far as a super charger I think the biggest hold up is the tune. Even though Vince is doing a tune it's really now a true tune. Nobody is in it all the way :(.
Not true from what I have been told. He has unlocked everything you would want to work with. There was a thread that commented on this one.
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We need to have everyone start contacting these guys and ask for a system for the Camaro.


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Not true from what I have been told. He has unlocked everything you would want to work with. There was a thread that commented on this one.


So far no one has been able to point to specific stuff he hasn't been able to do. I was suprised at how fast he was able to identify the problem with using the tunes for the STS on my twin turbo setup and fix it. He's got more work to do, but he hasn't even hinted at it being a problem. Anybody that can get 90 RWHP out of 4.5 psi in about 30 minutes is tops with me.

We shouldn't forget that he does more than just tune the V6. It is my understanding that he has written a lot of the code that HP uses for it's Chevy tunes. The guy knows what he's doing. He just has a different business model than others.
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That CTS supercharger costs like 12 grand. Really want that? lol. I'd rather go turbos.

And yeah, Vince's tune is a true tune. Don't know what people are talking about.. just because it's not in handheld form, doesnt mean its not a true tune lol.
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i hear everyones ideas on the supercharges and turbos...what about someone like magnacharger stepping up the way they have for the 8....plus it would replace the ugly intake when the cover is off...thoughts?
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i hear everyones ideas on the supercharges and turbos...what about someone like magnacharger stepping up the way they have for the 8....plus it would replace the ugly intake when the cover is off...thoughts?
I think we all would love for magnacharger to step up. Why they don't,
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I think we all would love for magnacharger to step up. Why they don't,
They said that they are working on a kit

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Lingenfelter put out a supercharger for the 2010 v6 llt last year...
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Lingenfelter put out a supercharger for the 2010 v6 llt last year...

Just because they made one in 2009 does not mean it is available to the public today. Go find it on their website and let us know what you find.

NOTHING.

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Just because they made one in 2009 does not mean it is available to the public today. Go find it on their website and let us know what you find.

NOTHING.

http://lingenfelter.com/engine-packa...en-5-2010-2011
Yeah, I called them once and left a VM but no one called back. I think they canned the project.
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We are taking orders for the "Gretchen" twin turbo kit!

WOW to have your own turbo kit named after you..........

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