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Old 02-28-2011, 12:10 AM   #1
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what do the letters stand for, if anything.

Just curious and im bored. But what exactly does ZL1 stand for, if anything.

I know how the z28 name came to be, just curious if any of the other Z labels actually mean anyting or are they just random letters and numbers because someone at GM is in love with the letter Z.

It would be cool if it actually stood for something, but im guessing its meaningless.

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Zero Latency 1

Latency is a measure of time delay experienced in a system, the precise definition of which depends on the system and the time being measured.
In the case of the Camaro ZL1, there is zero latency from the moment you step on the gas to full permagrin.


GM you owe me dinner if you actually use this (and a zl1). lol.
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As far as I know, it's just an RPO code that became the popular designation for a high-performance Camaro, just like the ZR1/Z06 Corvettes, Z71 trucks, etc.
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As far as I know, it's just an RPO code that became the popular designation for a high-performance Camaro, just like the ZR1/Z06 Corvettes, Z71 trucks, etc.
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+3 RPO only. Though - unless this is an acronym, I'd LOVE to know what it means!
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I "personally" don't like ZL1 as much as Z28. I don't care for the ZR1 as much as I do Z06.

(We're only talking about the letter combo, not the car)

I had mentioned the ZL1 to many people as the next high performance Camaro, and in every conversation, people say, "what happened to Z28? What ZL1?"
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I "personally" don't like ZL1 as much as Z28. I don't care for the ZR1 as much as I do Z06.

(We're only talking about the letter combo, not the car)

I had mentioned the ZL1 to many people as the next high performance Camaro, and in every conversation, people say, "what happened to Z28? What ZL1?"
That's been a concern, if you will, of mine, too. Nearly everyone knows what Z28 was; hardly anyone knows what ZL1 is. However, not everyone is going to want ZL1, so what's the harm in it not being as known as Z28? Shoot - I thought I've been waiting for Z28; it turns out, I was wrong!

For people like us - ZL1 is the top of the heap. To me - that's all that matters, because I'm not getting it for people to recognize.
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Here's a very informative article on the ZL1 engine.

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml
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That's been a concern, if you will, of mine, too. Nearly everyone knows what Z28 was; hardly anyone knows what ZL1 is. However, not everyone is going to want ZL1, so what's the harm in it not being as known as Z28? Shoot - I thought I've been waiting for Z28; it turns out, I was wrong!

For people like us - ZL1 is the top of the heap. To me - that's all that matters, because I'm not getting it for people to recognize.
Always love your points, Radz...

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that's all that matters, because I'm not getting it for people to recognize.
Believe it or not, you'll be amazed, how many people in the world, buy a car brand or model, to make a subtle [yet powerful] statement. For example, when I see the letters 335 or M3 on the back of a BMW, my brain automatically forms a different judgment about the car, the driver and etc.

The amount of money GM spent to create that "Image" of Z28 in our brain, is unfortunately not being capitalized properly. I'll bet you, many people who ARE into names, would not jump on ZL1, but they would if it was Z28.

It's like once this old guy (who could barely drive) said, "I only drive AMG". So many unqualified people buy AMG, just because of the status.

I think, GM did a major disservice to it's lineup. My two cents after driving cars for 35 years
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Always love your points, Radz...

Believe it or not, you'll be amazed, how many people in the world, buy a car brand or model, to make a subtle [yet powerful] statement. For example, when I see the letters 335 or M3 on the back of a BMW, my brain automatically forms a different judgment about the car, the driver and etc.

The amount of money GM spent to create that "Image" of Z28 in our brain, is unfortunately not being capitalized properly. I'll bet you, many people who ARE into names, would not jump on ZL1, but they would if it was Z28.

It's like once this old guy (who could barely drive) said, "I only drive AMG". So many unqualified people buy AMG, just because of the status.

I think, GM did a major disservice to it's lineup. My two cents after driving cars for 35 years
You're totally right. Those are more car-people than tose I was thinking about, but you're totally right. You're totally right about how I initally felt about Z28, but I'm over it now. I now know that's what I want, and because I really appreciate what ZL-1 was in the past, I don't feel GM necessarily missed the target on the name. I still question that Z28 was a more rounded car than ZL-1 was, but I'm especially glad it wasn't just a random name; or even a name that had nothing to do with a special CAMARO.

I love all your points though MANY KUDOS
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I love all your points though MANY KUDOS
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My real question is how are people pronouncing it?

I know in the states you guys usally say Zee... and up here we say Zed. I personally think that ZedR1, Zed06, Zed28 and ZedL1 sounds better than ZeeL1, etc.
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My real question is how are people pronouncing it?

I know in the states you guys usally say Zee... and up here we say Zed. I personally think that ZedR1, Zed06, Zed28 and ZedL1 sounds better than ZeeL1, etc.
You guys talk weird up there J/K I agree Zed does sound a little better, but I'm sure I'd get some strange looks considering the vernacular in my parts, lol.
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do you guys say X,Y,Zed when saying the abc's?
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RPO code?
I thought it was an engine designation in 69
Just like LS3, L99 and LLT today.
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do you guys say X,Y,Zed when saying the abc's?
LOL yes..... Its Zed in every instance.
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LOL yes..... Its Zed in every instance.
I guess some have never watched Stargate Atlantis and heard McKay pronounce the ZPM.


As a born and raised Texan.. I was always taught equis, i greiega and zeta




BTW -- The RPO Code I keep getting for ZL1 is "ZL1 : NOISE CONTROL WITH LESS THAN 8000 LB GVW"

These are humorous too:

LS9 : ENGINE, GAS, 8 CYL, 5.7L, 4BBL

LSA : ENGINE, DRESS KIT, 4.3L, UPS RETROFIT
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IMO. ZL1 fits better. Z28 will be recognized by all as a 35k camaro. The Zl1 won't be driven by every teenager in the neighborhood because of the price. People who know cars will appreciate the car and recognize it as the big dog.
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I thought it was an engine designation in 69
Just like LS3, L99 and LLT today.
It was. It's just following the current formula GM uses to designate specialty vehicles.
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Always love your points, Radz...


Believe it or not, you'll be amazed, how many people in the world, buy a car brand or model, to make a subtle [yet powerful] statement. For example, when I see the letters 335 or M3 on the back of a BMW, my brain automatically forms a different judgment about the car, the driver and etc.

The amount of money GM spent to create that "Image" of Z28 in our brain, is unfortunately not being capitalized properly. I'll bet you, many people who ARE into names, would not jump on ZL1, but they would if it was Z28.

It's like once this old guy (who could barely drive) said, "I only drive AMG". So many unqualified people buy AMG, just because of the status.

I think, GM did a major disservice to it's lineup. My two cents after driving cars for 35 years
When was the last time someone paid this kind of money for the Z28 though. There are other issues that GM had to look at when naming this. I suspect price and the desire not to upset the people wanting a 1st gen type Z28 (light weight racer).

It has been almost 20 years since the Z28 was the top of the line car. There are tons of Z28s out there that can be had for less than 5K. Zl1 does a good job of lining up with ZR1 for the Corvette which has become sort of an established name for a top of the line, high priced model. I think GM made the right move.

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When was the last time someone paid this kind of money for the Z28 though. There are other issues that GM had to look at when naming this. I suspect price and the desire not to upset the people wanting a 1st gen type Z28 (light weight racer).

It has been almost 20 years since the Z28 was the top of the line car. There are tons of Z28s out there that can be had for less than 5K. Zl1 does a good job of lining up with ZR1 for the Corvette which has become sort of an established name for a top of the line, high priced model. I think GM made the right move.

JMO.
True. I definately see the tie-into ZR1 - mostly because of they ZL1-font and emphasis on the "1", like on ZR1, except it's blue.

However - I still think ZL1 was Z28 until the Supervisor (j/k - I must be looking for trouble today; that's the last one - I promise) came along. In reading some posts lately, I'm left a little skeptical on if Z28 will come, and if it will be a direct competitor, to said Ford. I really don't know if the market is there, unless they intend on it being lower in production than ZL1. I'm sure more people will be able to afford Z28, but does that mean they won't wait to get ZL1? Maybe because I wanted it to be Z28 that I think it's a missed opportunity, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder. Regardless - I hope it does come back and I hope it is successful and reaches out to the CAMARO Community and is a winner.

I read somewhere that ZL1 was not an actual CAMARO model. I know it was the RPO for the engine, but only the 'Vette was blessed with an acutal model name. CAMARO with the ZL1 engine was know more by the COPO number, than anything. I have to look through some books to verify.
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I thought it was an engine designation in 69
Just like LS3, L99 and LLT today.
In which LS3, L99, LLT, LY6, LSA, LS9, LS7, etc...all of which are engine RPO codes.

Just like G80, MT1, X88, Z71, Z85, Z82...the list goes on. Like as Fenwick said, some of those codes (Z71, ZL1, Z28) end up as a designation.
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GM used to have an organization, if you will, to RPOs. AC used to always be C60. Transmissions were mostly "M"s, like M40 (TH400 I think), MG9 (TR6060 in ZL1), M29, M30 (4L60E if I remember correctly). "Z" codes were mostly suspension designations, like Z71, Z66, Z28. "A"s were trim codes for like seats and stuff. "F"s were brakes. "G" were axle ratios - G80 was posi'. I think "J" were brakes, too. "K" was heater... "L"s don't need a description It's been a while since I've been behind the parts counter when I was more familiar.
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ZL1 used to be the designation for the Aluminum-Block 427 they put into those 69 COPO Camaros. It was also an option check-box on the Corvettes of the same era. (If that wasn't said, yet...)

But Radz, you're observation that ZL1 being not nearly as "known" as Z28 is interesting, because....I think that was the point of picking it.

Not only does the name associate the car to one of GM's most advanced and powerful engines ever (at the time), symbolizing the technology and performance of this model of Camaro to enthusiasts....but it also marks a 'new' era in Camaro for all the non-enthusiasts....soon, the ZL1 will mean something to everyone...

I now think the name choice was genius on the part of Chevy/GM...many called for a new name for this King of Camaros...others argued this isn't the Z28 formula, but others said Z28, a heritage title, was the only suitable name for a Camaro of this caliber...and some mentioned the ZL1, but dropped it after realizing SLP had it.

Choosing 'ZL1' was the perfect compromise, imo, between raw heritage and "new"...while still being true to Camaro's roots and doing this car justice by title.

I think of it like the car's design....the 5thgen is NOT a retro design. It's very new-age and sharp...yet it borrows very tastefully from the annals of Camaro aesthetics as a nod to the past.
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ZL1 used to be the designation for the Aluminum-Block 427 they put into those 69 COPO Camaros. It was also an option check-box on the Corvettes of the same era. (If that wasn't said, yet...)

But Radz, you're observation that ZL1 being not nearly as "known" as Z28 is interesting, because....I think that was the point of picking it.

Not only does the name associate the car to one of GM's most advanced and powerful engines ever (at the time), symbolizing the technology and performance of this model of Camaro to enthusiasts....but it also marks a 'new' era in Camaro for all the non-enthusiasts....soon, the ZL1 will mean something to everyone...

I now think the name choice was genius on the part of Chevy/GM...many called for a new name for this King of Camaros...others argued this isn't the Z28 formula, but others said Z28, a heritage title, was the only suitable name for a Camaro of this caliber...and some mentioned the ZL1, but dropped it after realizing SLP had it.

Choosing 'ZL1' was the perfect compromise, imo, between raw heritage and "new"...while still being true to Camaro's roots and doing this car justice by title.

I think of it like the car's design....the 5thgen is NOT a retro design. It's very new-age and sharp...yet it borrows very tastefully from the annals of Camaro aesthetics as a nod to the past.

I have not read a finer post that sums up the new ZL1
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The history of the ZL1 thread. For those who didn't see it.


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128404

I wouldn't mind someone with some different information expanding it.
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