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Old 03-09-2011, 11:03 AM   #18
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Doesn't matter if you are a blue oval or a bow tie enthusiast the muscle car wars are back and we all benefit from that!!! And just so my 2010 2SS doesn't get tooooo far behind it will be E-Force time once the warranty is up
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:05 AM   #19
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Doesn't matter if you are a blue oval or a bow tie enthusiast the muscle car wars are back and we all benefit from that!!! And just so my 2010 2SS doesn't get tooooo far behind it will be E-Force time once the warranty is up
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:15 AM   #20
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There will always be something faster eventually. The Camaro just looks so much better than a Mustang (or a Corvette for that matter). IMHO
I agree with you that the Camaro is waaaay better looking than the Mustang and is actually a bit better looking than the Corvette even thats whats sooo awesome about it along with the great performance.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:44 AM   #21
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The Boss put's down some good number for sure, but look at it from a different perspective it took 5 yrs to do so (O6 ZO6). Given enough time even the top dog is replaced w/ something better and faster. GM may/ will answer back wait and see. Plus time is on my side, because I'm not in the market to buy for a few years.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:46 AM   #22
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I'll buy my future wife one
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:28 PM   #23
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If I could afford it I'd buy the Boss too. I totally get it!
But for now still waiting for a Z28.

I love street/track cars.
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:15 PM   #24
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Checkers Anyone ?

It's just a checker's game.The only thing different is that the muscle car wars have been in semi- retirement for quite a few years.Now that there is an definite renewal in interest in well designed car's that also perform and handle well, the market place will drive the development of exciting new products.ALL manufacturers will provide us with new vehicle's that we can admire and appreciate no matter which company produces it.
Most all of us car guy's & gals appreciate good looks , performance in any brand.At least speaking for myself.So I say enjoy them all,camaro's,mustangs , challengers , vette's , et'c. for what they are. Personally I never thought we would see the offerings that we are seeing today.And that is a good thing !!!! in my blood .
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:50 PM   #25
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I'd take the BOSS 302 over the SS. ZL1, though, is a different story.

If we see a Z28 in this platform, I'd like to see it with the following:
LS7
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Decontented interior (cloth only, no sunroof, mechanical locks and crank windows, only options being AC and a factory radio)
Upgraded, lightweight brakes
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:55 PM   #26
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So you reallllly think a car weighing 500 pounds more with a 60 HP deficit with a solid rear axle can beat a Z06 around any track?

I'm skeptical.
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:10 PM   #27
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my projections for Camaro and Mustang until new models in 2014/2015:

Chevrolet:

LS/LT - 3.6L V6 (remains same except HP bumps until 6th Gen)
SS - 6.2L V8 (stays w/ HP bumps until 6th Gen than it gets C7 base engine)
Z28 - 6.2L V8 (same as Corvette Grand Sport w/ dry oil sump and HP bump)
ZL1 - 6.2L SC V8 (same, HP bumps until 6th Gen than it gets the new C7 Z06 engine)


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V6 - 3.7L V6 (remains same except HP bumps until new model V6)
GT - 5.0L V8 (remains same, gets HP bumps, will carry over to new model GT)
Boss 302 - 5.0L V8 (remains same, gets HP bumps, may appear in new GT)
GT500 - 5.4L SC V8 (stays w/ HP bumps until 2013 or 2014, new Mustang model gets SVT Cobra back instead of Shelby GT500 w/ 5.0L V8 that has some type of forced induction)


Competitors until 6th Gen camaro and new Mustang:

LS/LT vs V6 - (bread and butter models for both companies at bargain prices)

SS vs GT - (introductory performance models at reasonable prices)

Z28 vs Boss 302 - (stripped down, better handling/stiffer riding versions of SS and GT modles w/ higher performance parts, but truly meant for the road course)

ZL1 vs GT500 - (fastest and most prestigious models for both nameplates, supercar like performance at an affordable price, track stars that are more than capable on road courses too)
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:13 PM   #28
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So you reallllly think a car weighing 500 pounds more with a 60 HP deficit with a solid rear axle can beat a Z06 around any track?

I'm skeptical.

me too.
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So you reallllly think a car weighing 500 pounds more with a 60 HP deficit with a solid rear axle can beat a Z06 around any track?

I'm skeptical.
I'm holding my breathe until we see what it runs at another track, or a longer track. Let's see what happens around the 'Ring... I'm not questioning what it runs, but if it only runs faster at one track - that's a little misleading... I guess I have to read the reviews when they're available, because something isn't adding up...
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:18 PM   #30
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I'm holding my breathe until we see what it runs at another track, or a longer track. Let's see what happens around the 'Ring... I'm not questioning what it runs, but if it only runs faster at one track - that's a little misleading... I guess I have to read the reviews when they're available, because something isn't adding up...
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:32 PM   #31
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You can watch the Boss 302 race every month in Grand Am, they will eventually hit every track this year. Multimatic did help tune this car from the Multimatic car from last year... Kind of like On The Job Training... I think the Boss could take the GTR on the Streets of Willow because it is a slower track and limits top speed... I guess the Boss Laguna Seca is set to be at least a second faster than the Boss 302.

If the car performs at Laguna, I expect it to do just as good if not better on other US courses... The gap between the GT500 and Z06C was about 6 seconds but on Willow it was about 4 seconds. Laguna is a faster track as far as MPH go, Willow is much tighter where the Z06 lost 13mph average and the GT500 loses about 10mph. Thats where the time is made up... The GTR is faster than the Z06C at Willow but 3 seconds slower at LS...
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I'm holding my breathe until we see what it runs at another track, or a longer track. Let's see what happens around the 'Ring... I'm not questioning what it runs, but if it only runs faster at one track - that's a little misleading... I guess I have to read the reviews when they're available, because something isn't adding up...
The Boss will not do this good on a longer track where long straights and top speed is paramount, like Daytona...

Edit: I doesn't have to add up, in road racing there are far too many variables to calculate... The GTR beat the Z06 at Willow and it outweighed it by almost 800lbs... the Mustang should not be compared to a Corvette... It was made to compete with the M3 and it wins... by alot...

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Old 03-09-2011, 05:58 PM   #33
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Does anybody truly think Chevy is going to "step up their game" and create a Camaro of any variety that out-performs the Z06 Corvette? Not anytime soon.

Now, when the next generation Corvette comes out, and if it has even better performance than the C6 versions produced today (which one would expect), then the game might change.
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Does anybody truly think Chevy is going to "step up their game" and create a Camaro of any variety that out-performs the Z06 Corvette? Not anytime soon.

Now, when the next generation Corvette comes out, and if it has even better performance than the C6 versions produced today (which one would expect), then the game might change.
Good point...
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