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Old 01-18-2012, 09:11 AM   #681
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At least crack heads have a place to go for help. For mod addiction you just hear from other C5'ers, or stand at shows, or talk with other gear heads that keep feeding you what they have done or you can "do more" "do more". Then you may feel like a dog that hasn't been feed for 4 days. "Mod'ing - you never get your fix"

In many cases this isn't even keeping up with the Jones's, this is Jonesing and just plain "keeping up"
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:31 AM   #682
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At least crack heads have a place to go for help. For mod addiction you just hear from other C5'ers, or stand at shows, or talk with other gear heads that keep feeding you what they have done or you can "do more" "do more". Then you may feel like a dog that hasn't been feed for 4 days. "Mod'ing - you never get your fix"

In many cases this isn't even keeping up with the Jones's, this is Jonesing and just plain "keeping up"
hahaha... now that is a new Camaro5 Proverb right there.



speaking about keeping up...

I need a rear end... I already have a DSS 1400hp axels and DSS drive shaft

- do i get the DSS Strange 9in kit... which will require NEW Axels and drive shaft because the center section is different, so all the lengths are different. DSS will take my parts in as returns, but not sure what kind of price they will give me.

- DSS Hammerhead 12 bolt kit (coming early 2012) - I need to figure out the major differences between this and the Strange 9in.

- Strange Solid Rear Axel - same rear end that is in the COPO Camaro, get rid of the IRS all together, (need to call strange and get more details)
talked to strange... will not be for sale... they may do one offs... but the fabrication is suppose to be a insane

- Lingenfelter IRS - not too excited about this one, would rather just go with the DSS/Strange kit.



any one have some decent info on the above...
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:34 AM   #683
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hahaha... now that is a new Camaro5 Proverb right there.



speaking about keeping up...

I need a rear end... I already have a DSS 1400hp axels and DSS drive shaft

- do i get the DSS Strange 9in kit... which will require NEW Axels and drive shaft because the center section is different, so all the lengths are different. DSS will take my parts in as returns, but not sure what kind of price they will give me.

- DSS Hammerhead 12 bolt kit (coming early 2012) - I need to figure out the major differences between this and the Strange 9in.

- Strange Solid Rear Axel - same rear end that is in the COPO Camaro, get rid of the IRS all together, (need to call strange and get more details)

- Lingenfelter IRS - not too excited about this one, would rather just go with the DSS/Strange kit.



any one have some decent info on the above...

I pm'd you about some info on this...

The good news on this is you can get a pretty good trade in on your DSS stuff from the DSS if you stick with their stuff... A guy at IPS just did that. I think he got around $800 for driveshaft and axles.

Also, DSS matched my driveshaft to my 4L80... that's why I did a new tranny now rather than waiting.

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Old 01-18-2012, 09:39 AM   #684
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hahaha... now that is a new Camaro5 Proverb right there..
thanks KG - I think I will run with it
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #685
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I'm waiting for this before I make any decisions about beefing up my driveline.

Also, because I want my vehicle for varying types of driving conditions street / drag / road course, i"m not going to convert it to a 9in., I think this was probably the only option so most folks went down this route.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:51 AM   #686
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At least crack heads have a place to go for help. For mod addiction you just hear from other C5'ers, or stand at shows, or talk with other gear heads that keep feeding you what they have done or you can "do more" "do more". Then you may feel like a dog that hasn't been feed for 4 days. "Mod'ing - you never get your fix"

In many cases this isn't even keeping up with the Jones's, this is Jonesing and just plain "keeping up"
I feel like the dog that hasn't been fed for 2 months...

...and then come in here and see all this...
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:55 AM   #687
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I pm'd you about some info on this...

The good news on this is you can get a pretty good trade in on your DSS stuff from the DSS if you stick with their stuff... A guy at IPS just did that. I think he got around $800 for driveshaft and axles.

Also, DSS matched my driveshaft to my 4L80... that's why I did a new tranny now rather than waiting
hmm, 800 bucks... that does not seem like a lot... the halfshafts alone were 1300... maybe... i guess i will have to talk to them and see what they can do.

yea, they will have to do a special one for me too I suppose.

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I'm waiting for this before I make any decisions about beefing up my driveline.

Also, because I want my vehicle for varying types of driving conditions street / drag / road course, i"m not going to convert it to a 9in., I think this was probably the only option so most folks went down this route.
are you referring to the to the difference between the 9in and the 12bolt?

the solid rear axel is out of the question now, Strange does not recommend using it.

you would not convert to the DSS 9in because it would not be good for all three types of driving?
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:58 AM   #688
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I feel like the dog that hasn't been fed for 2 months...

...and then come in here and see all this...
your feeding day is coming soon big guy.... FOR A 3RD TIME!

cannot wait to see and hear about that new ZL1
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your feeding day is coming soon big guy.... FOR A 3RD TIME!

cannot wait to see and hear about that new ZL1
I can't wait till the motor comes out and I'm doing what you guys are...

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You just made another list...
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HA... now THAT would be the day.



someone probably will go that route though.
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someone probably will go that route though.
Oh heck yeah... The platform is what I'm after... hopefully I win the lottery and it will be done...
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hmm, 800 bucks... that does not seem like a lot... the halfshafts alone were 1300... maybe... i guess i will have to talk to them and see what they can do.

yea, they will have to do a special one for me too I suppose.



are you referring to the to the difference between the 9in and the 12bolt?

the solid rear axel is out of the question now, Strange does not recommend using it.

you would not convert to the DSS 9in because it would not be good for all three types of driving?
My understanding of a Ford 9" (made for Camaro) is it's a stronger piece of hardware for high HP applications but it's a single axle setup, which basically means you just threw away part of the most important difference between the traction advantage between a Camaro vs a Mustang. The Camaro has Independant Rear Suspension (IRS) while the Mustang does not (for now).

Based, on that my interpretation of the meaning of this is one vehicle setup (9") is better in a straight line (drag racing) while the other is better on a road course with turns (IRS).

The best of both worlds is the new 12bolt IRS setup specifically designed for the Camaro. It's a super strong casing right up there with the 9" (or exceeds strength of 9"), and maintains your IRS system. Also, you have the option of various Eaton race gears to choose from, I asked about these gears and apparently these guys have been making gears for a very long time for racing so their product is very strong.

This makes the 12bolt system more superior in my mind because you have all driving styles nailed street / drag / road course without having to compromise performance for one or the other. Plus, you don't have to do any custom work to the rear end of the vehicle to make the 12bolt fit because it's specfically designed for the Camaro to be a bolt in piece of hardware. If you want to remove it and go back to stock you'll be all good. I don't think that's the case with teh 9", once you upgrade to a 9" you can't go back. That's just my interpretation based on questions I've asked, the experts can pipe in and correct me if I'm wrong.
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My understanding of a Ford 9" (made for Camaro) is it's a stronger piece of hardware for high HP applications but it's a single axle setup, which basically means you just threw away part of the most important difference between the traction advantage between a Camaro vs a Mustang. The Camaro has Independant Rear Suspension (IRS) while the Mustang does not (for now).

Based, on that my interpretation of the meaning of this is one vehicle setup (9") is better in a straight line (drag racing) while the other is better on a road course with turns (IRS).

The best of both worlds is the new 12bolt IRS setup specifically designed for the Camaro. It's a super strong casing right up there with the 9" (or exceeds strength of 9"), and maintains your IRS system. Also, you have the option of various Eaton race gears to choose from, I asked about these gears and apparently these guys have been making gears for a very long time for racing so their product is very strong.

This makes the 12bolt system more superior in my mind because you have all driving styles nailed street / drag / road course without having to compromise performance for one or the other. Plus, you don't have to do any custom work to the rear end of the vehicle to make the 12bolt fit because it's specfically designed for the Camaro to be a bolt in piece of hardware. If you want to remove it and go back to stock you'll be all good. I don't think that's the case with teh 9", once you upgrade to a 9" you can't go back. That's just my interpretation based on questions I've asked, the experts can pipe in and correct me if I'm wrong.


some of that is incorrect calbert...

the 9in is IRS, it has two halfshafts just like our stock rear end. and it is a bolt in, no fab work needed.
Frank gave a decent write up today on this thread...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196456

that helped clear it up for me, the hammerhead is a little pricey though.



what you are thinking of that was a single/solid axel rear end is the Strange S-9 that i was talking about earlier in the week. It is what is in the COPO Camaro, and yes, that is not as good on the curves, and it requires much fab work.
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