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Old 07-16-2012, 01:03 PM   #1076
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Sorry you're having to go through all this bro. Between you, Randy and Emma I think I could write a book.
I'm juuuuuuuust a little underpowered on that list. haha

Half the power yet all the problems. lol
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:24 PM   #1077
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Sorry to hear that Kyle, I KNOW that you have gone through tooooo much with this car !! Don't give up, things will start going your way !!!

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Old 07-16-2012, 01:25 PM   #1078
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NOW

back at work... back to reality... realizing I am screwed... coming out of a haze like this sucks. haha

car was running good.. still needed to be fine tuned... was all of 1000hp... was turning heads, making noise. I was "granted" a night with her... so i took her around town, decided to drive it home for the night.... after putting 10 miles on her, i headed home, 3 miles into the 18mi drive....


in boost coming around a corner....

oil pressure his zero... DIC goes nuts, telling me to shut the motor off... within 12 seconds of that needle dropping i was on the side of the road with the motor off.

flat bedded it back to LoveFab at 2am for diagnosis.
Well.. they checked for oil pressure from a few different locations and NOTHING.
We assume either the pump failed or the pickup fell off? (drivetrain is so unbalanced it could have shook loose)

it is the stock LS3 Oil Pump. They tell me it is not related to anything they did, but there is only 30 miles on this car since the turbos and never had an oil issue before. Coincidence? Maybe. They did install a custom oil cooler, but they said it was not clogged and was working fine, oil temps were normal.

We do not know if any engine damage occured, but first look into the dipstick... shows no metal shavings. We will change the oil to make sure we do not see any.

unfortunatly because we are 3 months behind schedule and 7k over budget I have no money to swap the oil pump... from what I hear either the motor needs to be pulled out or the motor and trans can drop from underneath.... either way its lots of labor that I cant pay.... They offered to trailer it to my house though.... yay!

so when i get home this weekend i will figure out the next steps....
def will not have the car at the fest...
car will probably sit until next year to tell you the truth.
pretty upset about this.... you put 80k into a car and when it still does not run... i just look back and say wow.... i effed up somewhere along the line. hahaha.

I will be at the fest though... wouldnt miss it. I need some loving from you guys. and crown royal


i just hope my motor is not trashed.
I'm very surprised that you have an LS3 oil pump on a 427ci. engine. When my LSX-LS7 was built, that was one of the items on the list that was identified right away that needed to be changed.
Sorry, to hear about this man, I know you've been trying to get this beast going for quite some time.
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:27 PM   #1079
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If I were there I swear I'd throw that Melling in my damn self for you. hahaha
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:52 PM   #1080
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It would be really hard for me not to start tearing into that myself. hahaha Take the plugs out and rotate the engine by hand a few times and shit like that. Compression test and leakdown test. Just for some piece of mind for myself.

If you heard no noise and stopped the car that fast then that's a good sign so far.
no noise... i am hopeful the engine is ok. I think if the oil analysis is good, then I wont worry about it.

its just the pain in the ass it is to change the oil pump. hours and hours of labor...

Randy... get up to Michigan... maybe we can do it with a pully, maple tree and a cresent wrench at my house. haha
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:53 PM   #1081
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no noise... i am hopeful the engine is ok. I think if the oil analysis is good, then I wont worry about it.

its just the pain in the ass it is to change the oil pump. hours and hours of labor...

Randy... get up to Michigan... maybe we can do it with a pully, maple tree and a cresent wrench at my house. haha
I've done it on a tree before. LOL

It really does sound like you will be ok. Fingers crossed though.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:07 PM   #1082
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I've done it on a tree before. LOL

It really does sound like you will be ok. Fingers crossed though.
just got a call from Owen @ ARD who just bitch slapped me with some knowledge....

this can be done easily with the a few key tricks and a welder. Looks like we might be digging in and checking that oil pump a little sooner than I was expecting.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:09 PM   #1083
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just got a call from Owen @ ARD who just bitch slapped me with some knowledge....

this can be done easily with the a few key tricks and a welder. Looks like we might be digging in and checking that oil pump a little sooner than I was expecting.
Well the circle of trust is in motion I see. You're in good hands.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:14 PM   #1084
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Well the circle of trust is in motion I see. You're in good hands.
now i just need to bribe Nick into helping me
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:22 PM   #1085
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Tune for some good 60' runs and hammer it through the 1/8 once you are comfortable. Then drive the last 1/8 like grandma. That way you can extrapolate what you COULD run without getting bitched at or kicked out...

You know you wanna...
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done that a few times too...lol


Good luck with everything Kyle. Let me know if you need anything.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:26 PM   #1086
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just got a call from Owen @ ARD who just bitch slapped me with some knowledge....

this can be done easily with the a few key tricks and a welder. Looks like we might be digging in and checking that oil pump a little sooner than I was expecting.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:33 PM   #1087
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Wants to start an intervention for Kyle...get him into some sort of 12 step program.

I think they definitely should've changed the oil pump. Look at a Melling.
12 step.... yea.. is that a dance? I like to have fun.


Melling 10296 is shipping today.
I hope we can identify the problem when we get in there.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:43 PM   #1088
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12 step.... yea.. is that a dance? I like to have fun.


Melling 10296 is shipping today.
I hope we can identify the problem when we get in there.
While I absolutely think you should switch to a melling anyway over the stock LS3 pump I'd like to see you verify the oil pump as the culprit. Might just be a blockage.

Screw the oil filter off too. See if it's full.

If you can get it going yourself will you bring it?
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While I absolutely think you should switch to a melling anyway over the stock LS3 pump I'd like to see you verify the oil pump as the culprit. Might just be a blockage.

Screw the oil filter off too. See if it's full.

If you can get it going yourself will you bring it?
yes.. we will validate that the oil pump does not work. thats why i just bought this without much thought.. because it should be changed.
(i only think its still stock.... ?)

According to Cody, they check for oil pressure in a couple locations to assure it was not a blockage, and they were not getting oil anywhere.
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yes.. we will validate that the oil pump does not work. thats why i just bought this without much thought.. because it should be changed.
(i only think its still stock.... ?)

According to Cody, they check for oil pressure in a couple locations to assure it was not a blockage, and they were not getting oil anywhere.
Well they are the experts. I just hate that this is happening now. :(
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:08 PM   #1091
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12 step.... yea.. is that a dance? I like to have fun.


Melling 10296 is shipping today.
I hope we can identify the problem when we get in there.
Just looked at my invoice from HKE. Melling 10296 hi volume pump was on the list as part of the build. You should be good now!....if the pump was the culprit.
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yes.. we will validate that the oil pump does not work. thats why i just bought this without much thought.. because it should be changed.
(i only think its still stock.... ?)

According to Cody, they check for oil pressure in a couple locations to assure it was not a blockage, and they were not getting oil anywhere.
are you running oil restrictors in the heads?
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Just looked at my invoice from HKE. Melling 10296 hi volume pump was on the list as part of the build. You should be good now!....if the pump was the culprit.

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are you running oil restrictors in the heads?
i do not remember every discussing those, but that was 2+ years ago in Dallas.
they are just the stock heads... so doubltful, dont think they added anything to them
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Dang Kyle... I have to state the obvious... it seems like your builder just pitched you to the curb. They weren't even finished tuning the car after they built it and this happens just a few miles in. I know your choices are limited but damn... something isn't right.
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Dang Kyle... I have to state the obvious... it seems like your builder just pitched you to the curb. They weren't even finished tuning the car after they built it and this happens just a few miles in. I know your choices are limited but damn... something isn't right.
Wasn't is some company in Texas that actually built the motor?
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Ahhhhh yes... makes much more sense now...
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Yes, The company was Xtreme Horsepower and they are OUT OF BUSINESS now !!
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