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Old 02-14-2012, 12:23 AM   #749
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I know it was happening on another road course car. 480hp.
Think it has a lot to do with the way it squats during a launch or in the curves.

So.... Yours has only really squatted once during a launch right. Lol.
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Laps build heat and lots of it. The lower the Camaro, the greater the heat because of the change in shaft angle. Run the laps in 2011 Texas heat and the CVs are
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:37 AM   #750
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Not at all, and my car is lowered as well...
I don't have this issue either and I have totally stock rearend still and my vehicle was dropped 1-1 1/2" since day 1.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:42 AM   #751
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I don't have this issue either and I have totally stock rearend still and my vehicle was dropped 1-1 1/2" since day 1.
Do run road course laps with your Camaro?
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Do run road course laps with your Camaro?
No drag racing but lots of high speed driving.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:46 AM   #753
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The grease in the OE half-shaft and some aftermarket shafts is too low a temperature for lowered vehicles. The seal is designed only to keep things out as the grease is supposed to maintain viscosity. Ina lowered car, the CV joint develops more heat. The heat liquefies the grease and it is thrown out of the boot.

The solution is to repack the CV joint with a high temp synthetic lube.
I spoke with Frank at the DSS, he mentioned pretty much the same information. Frank was extremely helpful and generous. He said if I want I can send the axels back to him, he would repack and reband them for me.

He said there is a lot of grease in there though, since the boots not ripped I should try to retighten all the bolts and it may help out. (to 57lbs)
This is more of a temporary fix... but since I will be getting either the DSS 9in or the 12 bolt hammerhead this summer, Frank said these will be fine until then, and will gladly work with me to trade them in when I order the rear end.

so, guess that is some good info for others.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:09 PM   #754
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I spoke with Frank at the DSS, he mentioned pretty much the same information. Frank was extremely helpful and generous. He said if I want I can send the axels back to him, he would repack and reband them for me.

He said there is a lot of grease in there though, since the boots not ripped I should try to retighten all the bolts and it may help out. (to 57lbs)
This is more of a temporary fix... but since I will be getting either the DSS 9in or the 12 bolt hammerhead this summer, Frank said these will be fine until then, and will gladly work with me to trade them in when I order the rear end.

so, guess that is some good info for others.
Frank and DSS are 1st class.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:12 PM   #755
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I know it was happening on another road course car. 480hp.
Think it has a lot to do with the way it squats during a launch or in the curves.

So.... Yours has only really squatted once during a launch right. Lol.
LOL, ya. These wheels don't squat.
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I spoke with Frank at the DSS, he mentioned pretty much the same information. Frank was extremely helpful and generous. He said if I want I can send the axels back to him, he would repack and reband them for me.

He said there is a lot of grease in there though, since the boots not ripped I should try to retighten all the bolts and it may help out. (to 57lbs)
This is more of a temporary fix... but since I will be getting either the DSS 9in or the 12 bolt hammerhead this summer, Frank said these will be fine until then, and will gladly work with me to trade them in when I order the rear end.

so, guess that is some good info for others.

The great customer service is why I decided to get a DSS 9" kit too.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:42 PM   #757
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The great customer service is why I decided to get a DSS 9" kit too.
I know a guy with a 12 bolt in his shop ;-)
unfortunatly... not mine. hahaha
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Still think you need to look at the Lingenfelter 9.5". Specifically made for our cars by the same company that designed the factory rear end. Of course the axles are still DSS.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:56 PM   #759
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Still think you need to look at the Lingenfelter 9.5". Specifically made for our cars by the same company that designed the factory rear end. Of course the axles are still DSS.
yea... i may look at it again.. but the price point on that was quite a bit higher if i remember correctly.

if I had Houston money maybe it would look a little more appealing!

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yea... i may look at it again.. but the price point on that was quite a bit higher if i remember correctly.

if I had Houston money maybe it would look a little more appealing!

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Anything that says "Lingenfelter" on it is $$$. They make great stuff, but I can't justify the added expense. It's out of my league.
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I don't know that much about differentials, but I thought they weren't that far off in price.

DSS
9" Conversion Kit - $4999
Includes differential housing, axles and aluminum 1 piece driveshaft
Strange Center - $1500
I'm assuming the gears are included with the strange...not sure if anything else is needed.


Lingenfelter
9.5" differential preloaded (3.73 gears for me) - $4975
DSS 1400HP axles - $1500
Driveshaft - $999

I didn't purchase their driveshaft...had one custom made (and saved money).

The piece I also don't know about is labor. Since the Lingenfelter is specifically made for the Camaro installation is supposedly easy.

Not sure if the DSS requires any extra labor to put everything together.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:24 PM   #762
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I don't know that much about differentials, but I thought they weren't that far off in price.

DSS
9" Conversion Kit - $4999
Includes differential housing, axles and aluminum 1 piece driveshaft
Strange Center - $1500
I'm assuming the gears are included with the strange...not sure if anything else is needed.


Lingenfelter
9.5" differential preloaded (3.73 gears for me) - $4975
DSS 1400HP axles - $1500
Driveshaft - $999

I didn't purchase their driveshaft...had one custom made (and saved money).

The piece I also don't know about is labor. Since the Lingenfelter is specifically made for the Camaro installation is supposedly easy.

Not sure if the DSS requires any extra labor to put everything together.
Your cost was significantly higher than mine. I thought about the Lingenfelter, but I would have had to give up the tranny this go round to go with that rear end kit in order to stay within budget. I'm not saying yours isn't worth what you paid. I'm just saying it is out of my league (at least this year).

I think I got a great kit at a great price from DSS though. The DSS kit with the Strange center section is bolt in. No modifications needed.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:36 PM   #763
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I spoke with Frank at the DSS, he mentioned pretty much the same information. Frank was extremely helpful and generous. He said if I want I can send the axels back to him, he would repack and reband them for me.

He said there is a lot of grease in there though, since the boots not ripped I should try to retighten all the bolts and it may help out. (to 57lbs)
This is more of a temporary fix... but since I will be getting either the DSS 9in or the 12 bolt hammerhead this summer, Frank said these will be fine until then, and will gladly work with me to trade them in when I order the rear end.

so, guess that is some good info for others.
Out of curiosity, how does a 9" or 12bolt stop the vehicle from squatting down, with lowered springs installed?


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Anything that says "Lingenfelter" on it is $$$. They make great stuff, but I can't justify the added expense. It's out of my league.
Especially when any good performance installer can put together an equal or better kit.

If I can't get what I want from one particular vendor I just have my installer work with me to plan the kit I want.
For example I may want a 9" or 9.5" housing, with 4.10+centre, strange pumpkin, and GForce 35spline axles, with a DSS driveshaft. Or different combination.

My understanding of the benefit of going with a 9" system is that it's the strongest most copied system that has the most customizations because there are so many compatible parts available for them.

I think a lot of people get stuck on vendor loyalties vs looking at requirements and getting better value for their money.

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Out of curiosity, how does a 9" or 12bolt stop the vehicle from squatting down, with lowered springs installed?
It doesn't. The differential in an IRS remains in the same position while the half shafts move in relation to control arm articulation. There is some motion in the differential to the extent the bushings allow, but theoretically the differential doesn't move.

Spring and damping rate control squat in an IRS.
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It doesn't. The differential in an IRS remains in the same position while the half shafts move in relation to control arm articulation. There is some motion in the differential to the extent the bushings allow, but theoretically the differential doesn't move.

Spring and damping rate control squat in an IRS.
So, if I'm understanding the response correctly. The problem may still be apparent with a 9" system unless the vehicle is put back to the original stock stance?
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