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Old 03-11-2011, 06:44 PM   #1
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D3 Supercharger

I don't know if this is for sure, so take it with a grain of salt. They have done some great things for Caddys. They have screwed up alot too though.

http://www.d3cadillac.com/feature-ve...d3-cts-3-6di-s
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:52 PM   #2
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Yea I have been in contact with them.... The kit is a direct bolt on for the Camaros also.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:47 PM   #3
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:58 PM   #4
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is the one that was $11,000 from caddy forum?
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:14 PM   #6
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I'm almost 100% positive the 11k included the body work, suspension and sc
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:55 PM   #7
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Ya, there are a lot more things included in that Caddy kit than the supercharger for 11K.....at least, there better be!

What have they screwed up?


Hell, if the supercharger is a direct bolt-on to the Camaro LLT, I can drive my butt down there and check it out. I think I have the funds for a supercharger kit, assuming it's a reasonable price.
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what does the op mean by screwed up alot too?
Would just like to know, dont want any issues with blowing engines and crappy CS
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I talked to them and is almost 8k for the complete kit... however they include an AEM stand alone ECU. I told them about Vince and Trifecta because they didn't know it was possible. Anyway all the hardware without their tuning would be right around $5,700. I verified with them that it does put down 435hp to the wheels
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So far, it is still in development. Has been for the last 2 years. I just posted this because I saw the other sc thread in here. Until someone cracks the LLT PCM, I think any hopes of a reliable supercharger kit are just pipe dreams.

As far as them screwing up, I am not one for badmouthing a company without evidence. But I would deal with any tuner, even reliable ones, with caution.
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Old 03-12-2011, 07:53 PM   #11
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I'm sure a standalone PCM would add quite a lot of cost to the kit. $5700 sounds about right when compared to other forced induction options out there.

If that's the case, tack on $600 or so for a tune through Trifecta and you should have a functional FI option. Hmm, something to consider.
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Interesting stuff....
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I talked to them and is almost 8k for the complete kit... however they include an AEM stand alone ECU. I told them about Vince and Trifecta because they didn't know it was possible. Anyway all the hardware without their tuning would be right around $5,700. I verified with them that it does put down 435hp to the wheels
I think you mean at the crank....This is a direct quote from the page.....
"So we took the 3.6DI V6 making 304BHP and pushed the horsepower levels up a few notches (approx. 435BHP)."

Reading that I am pretty damn sure they mean at the crank, no way a base CTS 3.6 is putting 304 at the wheels.

Still this is an immense upgrade in HP.
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I think you mean at the crank....This is a direct quote from the page.....
"So we took the 3.6DI V6 making 304BHP and pushed the horsepower levels up a few notches (approx. 435BHP)."

Reading that I am pretty damn sure they mean at the crank, no way a base CTS 3.6 is putting 304 at the wheels.

Still this is an immense upgrade in HP.
Dang, and here I thought it was making 435 at the wheels! lol. Would have been a great challenger to the supercharger option for the mustang which is claiming to make around 430 AT the wheels. If this was around 435 at the crank, that would be about 350ish to the wheels. Very impressive numbers forsure, but enough? Maybe to some, but maybe not to others.
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:43 AM   #15
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I think you mean at the crank....This is a direct quote from the page.....
"So we took the 3.6DI V6 making 304BHP and pushed the horsepower levels up a few notches (approx. 435BHP)."

Reading that I am pretty damn sure they mean at the crank, no way a base CTS 3.6 is putting 304 at the wheels.

Still this is an immense upgrade in HP.
Someone can call and verify..... I have called a few times.... both times I got different quotes on the price and I was told it made 435hp to the wheels.... seems like it depends on who you talk to when you call.
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Someone can call and verify..... I have called a few times.... both times I got different quotes on the price and I was told it made 435hp to the wheels.... seems like it depends on who you talk to when you call.
I don't think we need to verify, the phone rep probably doesn't even know what whp means, really doesn't need to he/she is doing sales.

But we know at the crank the 3.6 puts 312 down stock. Now when I had my stock dyno done, I was at 246 whp on a nice day with no humidity.

Also generally there is no way a 3.6L v6 can produces 300+ WHP while naturally aspirated.

Also Brake HP (BHP) is also a term to describe HP at the crank. After reading that quote, it was one of the reasons I came to the conclusion that the website is not talkin about WHP and the phone rep is not full knowledgeable, which can happen most times.

Or whoever wrote that site up is a complete turd and screwed up the information LOL
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Ok........just called and talked to their expert. And I told him what we were discussing and he realized why it was confusing for some people. They do mean 435 WHP but that's not the whole story.

I asked him info on doing the kit w/o changing the internals and he explained that we could run 3 to 4 lbs of boost with no problem, gaining about 40 BHP and 30 WHP. Which is probably not worth $5700 if Vince is able to tune.

Now to get some real fun out of the kit, he recommended preping the internals to handle 6-7 lbs of boost, which would in turn give us 435 WHP. Now that would be fun But doing that prep would be $2500 on top of the cost of the kit and labor to install.

Good info from those guys and seems like a very cool group of people working there, they just need to straighten out their webmaster
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That sounds like good info right there. As far as "prepping the internals," did the representative you spoke to elaborate on exactly what would be done for that $2500 price tag?

From what we've heard in the FI forums here, it sounds like the V6 drivetrain can handle the stress of about 400 RWHP; but, it would definitely be fun to push that a little farther.
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:06 PM   #19
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Yea I didn't know anyone even made beefed up internals for our engine... Also our engine being able to only handle 2-3lbs of boost stock just doesn't sound right.
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Yeah, I think I'd of had to question him futher. Sure seemed like running 4 to 5 lbs of boost is no problem for the turbos...and now with turbos guys are going for 7 or so. Might be too early to tell the longevity of these engines on 7+ lbs of boost, but it sure seems like 5 should be easy given the engine does have some forged parts already. Hrmmmmm....wish these guys would try another setup with Vince's tuning and keep it to just the bare bones and give us a kit at a competitive price (not like theres much competition yet though lol)
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Had a very interesting conversation with Vince last night.

I showed him the D3 Supercharger we are discussing and repeated my convesation with the company to him. He thought it was weird they claimed that we would have to prep the engine to run 6-7 lbs of boost because there is a single turbo out in Hawaii running 9lbs!! Without swapping internals.

So here's what I am thinking, we wait and see how the Hawaiian Single turbo does over the next year. If the car is in one piece afterwards, w/o major issues. Then I think those of us interested should try this option.

Currently I don't have the cash anymore to spend $5700 on a mod. So I am going to wait. But I think this SC has serious potential on our engines at this point.

And Vince is confident that he can tune our cars to work with this power adder.
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That's pretty awesome news from Vince. This makes me really lean toward the D3 supercharger as my FI solution.
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The turbo'd v6 in Hawaii has been running since last summer and he had to do some things to be able to run 9-lbs of boost(meth-injection, fuel upgrade?). http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91892
Let's not forget our motor has high compression for any type of boost/forced induction and there are ways of taking that out of the equation and vince's tune is probably the first step. Prepping the internals might just mean they want to cut compression. There are ways to keep it out of detonation and the tune is one of them.
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The turbo'd v6 in Hawaii has been running since last summer and he had to do some things to be able to run 9-lbs of boost(meth-injection, fuel upgrade?). http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91892
Let's not forget our motor has high compression for any type of boost/forced induction and there are ways of taking that out of the equation and vince's tune is probably the first step. Prepping the internals might just mean they want to cut compression. There are ways to keep it out of detonation and the tune is one of them.
Yep and that's why things look encouraging. Apparently prepping the engine isn't as severe as I thought.
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We have a thread from ProCharger and Adkins........isn't anyone interested in trying the D3 out?
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