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Old 03-12-2011, 05:57 PM   #1
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Pedders EP1200 Sub Frame Insert Installation

Installed mine today. What a PITA. Heat is your friend getting those washers to pop off. That and a friend with strong arms and several pry bars. Once I got the fronts on, it was much easier to get the rears on with the tires off, but didn't have enough clearance to get the top rears on. A tug on the rear sub frame and it moved enough to put on, but then the bolt holes no longer lined up. That was a major PITA. Took a bunch of moving it around with a jack to finally get it lined up. Took me about 3 hours to do it, glad it is over.

And those bolts are a b*tch to remove to begin with!
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Old 03-12-2011, 06:19 PM   #2
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Use two hammers to remove the OEM subframe bushings metal washers.

Actually, if you use two, regular, claw hammers, those subframe washers will pop right off. No need to heat cause you could damage the OEM rubber inserts, impact is a better friend. Besides, I don't have the proper torch.

The problem is that those subframe washers are slightly pressed into the aluminum inner sleeve which is surrounded by all that OEM rubber. When you try to only pry the washers off, you are only stretching the rubber and you won't get anywhere. My first washer took more than 40 minutes until I used the two hammer method.

You still need a friend to pry down the rubber and take up the slack in the bushing. Then you can slip the claws of the first (pry) hammer under the washer and hold it firmly in place. Then use the second hammer to pound down on the head of the pry hammer. Three to four good whacks and those washers pop out without any sweat.

My buddy and I couldn't stop shaking our heads at how easy they came off once you get the right technique and tools.
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Old 03-12-2011, 06:27 PM   #3
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any info on the improvments?
or are you still to mad about the work involved?
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Old 03-12-2011, 08:02 PM   #4
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any info on the improvments?
or are you still to mad about the work involved?

I don't drive it anywhere near its limits, and haven't taken it to the track yet, so I really don't have any comparison to make. I did it as more of a preventative measure than anything.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:49 PM   #5
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So can you just take an air hammer to the washers and pry also?
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yes, but it's overkill,
Just use a big pry bar and they pop off easy.
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Old 03-12-2011, 10:24 PM   #7
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lol some say easy some say hard. Some say you can do it yourself and others say you need a hand. LOL It should be fun! I made a post about bmr instructions vs pedders instructions both seem to take a slightly different approach
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Old 03-12-2011, 10:37 PM   #8
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lol some say easy some say hard. Some say you can do it yourself and others say you need a hand. LOL It should be fun! I made a post about bmr instructions vs pedders instructions both seem to take a slightly different approach
Where is that post? Curious to read because I'm eventually going to do these.


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Old 03-13-2011, 12:02 AM   #9
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Prybar and a big screw driver and a couple of good wacks. POP! they came right off.
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yes, but it's overkill,
Just use a big pry bar and they pop off easy.

Either you have some rather large arms, or are doing this on a lift?
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me, heck no, i'm a skinny fat guy, with a crazy white dog, lol
I was a tech for nearly 10 years, just gotta know how to use the force, lol
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Old 03-13-2011, 01:52 PM   #12
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My 2 rear washers popped right off with a screwdriver. The front 2 however were a PITA! I ended up using 2 large screwdrivers and just pryed like hell till they popped off with a fury!! Went flying accross the floor! I was ready to try some heat but decided to give it one more try! Glad I held off on the heat cause I was worried about ruining the OE rubber inside!
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Old 03-13-2011, 02:00 PM   #13
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I'm doing mine on Tuesday.....hopefully they'll pop right off....I'm planing on using a blunt air chisel.
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A softly rounded point chisel is my weapon of choice. Slide it in from the side and then like a pry bar lever the gun down and the point up. One or two short bursts have them popping off. Your not really 'chiseling' against anything. You are vibrating the plate loose. I'll shoot a video the next time I am under a 5th Gen using this technique.
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Video would be great if its within the next couple of weeks! lol
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me, heck no, i'm a skinny fat guy, with a crazy white dog, lol
I was a tech for nearly 10 years, just gotta know how to use the force, lol
A skinny fact guy??? LOL
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Well see how soon I get over to Rodgers and Becky's Camaro.
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Installed mine today. What a PITA. Heat is your friend getting those washers to pop off. That and a friend with strong arms and several pry bars. Once I got the fronts on, it was much easier to get the rears on with the tires off, but didn't have enough clearance to get the top rears on. A tug on the rear sub frame and it moved enough to put on, but then the bolt holes no longer lined up. That was a major PITA. Took a bunch of moving it around with a jack to finally get it lined up. Took me about 3 hours to do it, glad it is over.

And those bolts are a b*tch to remove to begin with!
2010 5th Gen Camaro Sub-Frame Plates are easy to remove. We use a rounded point chisel in the air hammer. We lube the chisel to make it easier to slide in between the plate and the bush. You go in at a right angle and then lever it up. A short burst or two and the plate is off. You are NOT chiseling it off. You are VIBRATING it off -- PEDDERS STYLE!



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This message is for the Pedders representatives. Where can I purchase, or how can I make the subframe bushing removal tool? I really dont want to have to drop my rear subframe completely to do the bushing install. Are your HD bushings significantly stiffer than the regular EP1201 bushings? Thank you.
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This message is for the Pedders representatives. Where can I purchase, or how can I make the subframe bushing removal tool? I really dont want to have to drop my rear subframe completely to do the bushing install. Are your HD bushings significantly stiffer than the regular EP1201 bushings? Thank you.
Check the List of Camaro5 DIYs sticky. There is a DIY in there that shows you how to make a bushing removal tool.
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Stig, thanks for chiming in. Do you have acess to the link? I'm not too forum savvy. Thanks bud.

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Stig, thanks for chiming in. Do you have acess to the link? I'm not too forum savvy. Thanks bud.
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Good looking out Stig! Im curious, in the link I'm about to provide you, the guy says he used the weight of his own car to pop out the subframe bushings,and it took him 20mins (he says). Do you know anything about this? Thanks again!

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Good looking out Stig! Im curious, in the link I'm about to provide you, the guy says he used the weight of his own car to pop out the subframe bushings,and it took him 20mins (he says). Do you know anything about this? Thanks again!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ission+removal
No sorry, I had a shop install my bushings when I had them.
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I have a secret tool that will make the install very easy.

it's a propane torch from home depot.

Lower the cradle down, place a large socket or something between the body and the bushing, jack up the subframe to put pressure on the bushing, then heat the outside of the cradle where the bushing goes through, once you heat the bushing sleeve a bit it will start to bubble a little and then it will release and pop out as you keep pressure on it with the jack.
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