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Old 03-14-2011, 08:57 AM   #1
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Convertible axle back

Just FYI, I received an email back from Borla, on exhaust fit up on convertibles:

Ray:

Thanks for your interest in Borla products! The axle back systems will work on the Convertible Camaro. We do not know yet about the full cat-back system. We need to do a fitment on a Convertible to know for sure.

Cordially,

Greg L. Weiss
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701 Arcturus Ave
Oxnard, CA 93033

Since I am going with a axle back system, I am going to go ahead and order one now.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:11 AM   #2
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That is good to know because I have my ATAK axle back system sitting in my living room but no car yet to put it on!!!!!!!! From looking at the pictures posted I didn't see a problem with the axle back in fact the mufflers are alot smaller than the stock ones.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:15 PM   #3
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the slp loud mouth II work's with the vert too.
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:31 PM   #4
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I'd be glad to let Borla conduct a fitment test of a cat back system on my vert if they leave it on afterwards...

...just saying.

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Old 03-16-2011, 08:15 PM   #5
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Hey guys,
Do your verts have the spring loaded valves in the exhaust pictured here?
My 2010 L99 Coupe did not have these, but my 2011 L99 Vert does.

Just trying to figure out what the heck these things are...
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Old 03-19-2011, 04:03 PM   #6
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Put my Borla S axle backs on the vert today. Some comments:

Marked cut off line with masking tape, which also helps keep sawzall from sliding around. I did not want to remove the V brace, and therfore had to cut with the sawzall from the inward side of the car. Could not quite cut through the whole pipe because the saw's movement was limited. Was able to complete the cut with a Dremel. I sprayed the hanger grommets with soapy water to help remove the mufflers.

Borla says to cut 2.32" from muffler; I wish I would have at 2" or maybe even 1.75"...no reason not to. I would like my tip to stick out a little further, but with the 2.32" cut I can't come out much further (I will probably do a little welding to help fix this issue). Also, if you cut at one of these shorter lengths, you probably could use the sawzall from the outward side of the car and not need the dremel.

A little disappointed in the quality of the Borla tips. Chrome finsh was very so-so. Also, I like the way the stock tips were longer and angled with the rear valance, the Borla's aren't...no biggy I guess, but for their money they should be a little better quality.

Sound is nice rumble, and deep. Unlike the stocks, there is some unwanted drone at certain engine load points, but not at most normal cruising points.

Also while I was under there, I put in the skip shift jumper. A little tough to get your hand up to the solenoid, and that vert center cross bracket doesn't help matters! Anyhow got that on and MAN am I happy now...that 1 to 4 thing irratated the hell out of me.
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:29 AM   #7
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Looks good brother, cool.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:50 PM   #8
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Looks great, but I see what you mean about the tip length. Looks like the hangers would let you come out another inch or so. I wish the Borla cans were polished as well. I was behind another Camaro with Borlas the other day, and the cans are so visible under the the car, they should be chromed!
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Old 03-25-2011, 12:07 PM   #9
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One of the first things I thought about when I started my vert up for the first time the other day was that I definitely wanted an exhaust. I am new to this whole "car thing" so I've just started my research into exhaust. I would like to do as much to my car as I can on my own, but I'm guessing this exhaust installing is a little above my beginning status pay grade right? I don't have tools to cut pipes (nor do I want to buy any just for that occasion). Would you guys agree it's probably best just to throw onto my mechanic to do?

Also, what do you think of the ATAK with regards to the top being down. Is it too loud for having other people in the car to talk with?
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Old 03-25-2011, 02:03 PM   #10
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I have installed the Borla S-type catback system on my coupe. I read somewhere that it should take about 2 hours. I've never done exhaust before, but it only took me 1 hour, taking my time. My next one I could do in 1/2 hour.

The catback would be easier to install...nothing to cut. The axleback system requires you to make a cut using a saws-all. If you can, spend a little more on the catback (better sound) and save yourself some money by doing it yourself.

If you ever think you will want to add headers, don't go with the atak. Personally, I like the sound of the s-type better, but there are those who like it real loud.
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:04 PM   #11
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I have installed the Borla S-type catback system on my coupe. I read somewhere that it should take about 2 hours. I've never done exhaust before, but it only took me 1 hour, taking my time. My next one I could do in 1/2 hour.

The catback would be easier to install...nothing to cut. The axleback system requires you to make a cut using a saws-all. If you can, spend a little more on the catback (better sound) and save yourself some money by doing it yourself.

If you ever think you will want to add headers, don't go with the atak. Personally, I like the sound of the s-type better, but there are those who like it real loud.
Thanks for that input. My buddy was telling me that you have to think about how loud it is and it could possibly give you a headache, but if it's not your daily driver, you may be fine. Plus I've got to factor in the convertible and noise when it's down, right? Not going to lie, but I don't know what a header is. I've heard it a ton of times, but now I'm off to go look up what exactly that is
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:22 PM   #12
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I was considering the same thing...exhaust loudness is highly subjective. I finally decided to go to the Borla 'Type-S' which is a little less aggressive.
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Old 03-25-2011, 06:55 PM   #13
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I'm with you guys on needing a louder exhaust. Here's a vid from Borla explaining their Camaro exhaust systems comparing Touring, S Type and finally ATAK. Touring may be all I need with the Vert.

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Old 03-25-2011, 07:25 PM   #14
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Thanks. I'm thinking maybe the S type. I want loud and throaty, but not overdone

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Old 03-25-2011, 07:30 PM   #15
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Hey guys,
Do your verts have the spring loaded valves in the exhaust pictured here?
My 2010 L99 Coupe did not have these, but my 2011 L99 Vert does.

Just trying to figure out what the heck these things are...
Got an.LS3... no springy thing like your pix...

I tried installing a flowmaster when I first got my vert, had the entire stock system off-definitely nothing like ur pic.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:13 PM   #16
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Ya, definitely an L99 vert thing. I have seen 3 L99 verts since, and everyone has had them.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:21 PM   #17
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Ya, definitely an L99 vert thing. I have seen 3 L99 verts since, and everyone has had them.
I cannot remember where I ran across the article, but it seemed to describe what you're looking at as a valve inside the exhaust pipe that partially restricts the exhaust flow at low throttle opening, yet opens up to allow full flow when the need arises. I think it said it was all part of the AFM system.

I just wish I could find the article.
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:27 AM   #18
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Thanks. I'm thinking maybe the S type. I want loud and throaty, but not overdone

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Modawg, I think the S type will fit your need; loud and throaty, but not overdone. The Touring type are a little too quiet (these are what are on the GM performance upgrade option), these S type sound awesome when starting the car and have a good deep rumble which only get's "overdone" when the car is pulling up a steep grade, but not bad; the Atak's are fairly loud at all ranges, which sounds good, but in my opinion is to much for vert operation.
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Old 03-26-2011, 09:00 AM   #19
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Just ordered a set of s thanks firstandfithgen for all the good info!!
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Another Axle Back Question;

I've been considering the S-type Borla for my vert, but wondering how it compares to the SLP PowerFlo? I really like the appearance of the SLP, but don't know any specs on the volume or performance. And I think the Loudmouth II might be a bit too loud for the vert.

Thoughts?
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Modawg, I think the S type will fit your need; loud and throaty, but not overdone. The Touring type are a little too quiet (these are what are on the GM performance upgrade option), these S type sound awesome when starting the car and have a good deep rumble which only get's "overdone" when the car is pulling up a steep grade, but not bad; the Atak's are fairly loud at all ranges, which sounds good, but in my opinion is to much for vert operation.
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Old 03-26-2011, 01:05 PM   #22
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I did the Magnaflow axleback (muffler delete) with with a magnaflow tru x-pipe. Nice deep sound. Can hold a conversation with the top down or up radio only at half volume. Man does it sound good!!!! Nice decel pop too!
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Old 03-27-2011, 04:51 PM   #23
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Now that my car is at least built, I'm about to pull the trigger on ordering the Loudmouth II! Now to see which arrives first (my money is on the exhaust before the car gets here).
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Here are some pics of my borla s-type catback
Very cool! Nice to confirm that the Borla catback fits!!! Looks good.
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