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jmatero · 03-23-2011, 11:24 PM

I'm a new Mustang owner with a lemon and out there looking, the one thing that I'm having a hard time with in the Camaro is the view out. During the test drives I found I couldn't see traffic lights at stops. Did you find the limited view out hard to get used to?

Any former 2005-2010 mustang owners out there care to share their experiences transitioning?

kr juice 1 · 03-23-2011, 11:29 PM

I'm 6'4" and i love my car. Yes i had the same issue with visability but it's such a fun car to drive you live with it. I have to look down at time to see the traffic lights but small price to pay for a permagrin!

TOMS1SS · 03-23-2011, 11:46 PM

Yes the sightlines are difficult to get used to. My list of issues that came up in transition would be; knowing where the front of the hood is, knowing if the driver's side is in the parking space and judging distance backing up. Since I've had my car for over a year it got much easier because I got used to what to expect from the sightlines. The Mustang is easier to see out of but still has more blindspots than less dramactically styled cars. There was a reason all cars were shaped like jelly beans, they were easy to see out of. I'll keep my Camaro, everyone eles can have the jelly beans.

CloudXTC · 03-24-2011, 02:24 AM

u get used to it... my winter beater is a suv where you sit high up an big ass windshield... now... when I sit in my car... i get difficulties... but 1 day in it and your good to go

Crowley · 03-24-2011, 06:51 AM

Not a former 05-11 owner, but I had a 2004 cobra and honestly I don't think visibility is that much worse than that car. It does seem a little restrictive at first, but you get used to it fast and then you don't even notice any difference from driving other cars.

Crowley

8cd03gro · 03-25-2011, 02:11 PM

What's the problem with the car? If you're tall, visibility isn't horrible in the camaro. It's not great, but it's not unbearable. If you're short it will be much worse.

1bad65 · 03-25-2011, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What's the problem with the car?

I was thinking the same thing. The OP wasn't clear imo.

motorhead · 03-25-2011, 02:15 PM

I could see out of my mustang much better than my camaro no doubt. Does it bother me no. You get used to it after awhile.

jmatero · 03-25-2011, 03:42 PM

Ford is having a nightmare with the Ford/Getrag MT82 transmission in the V6/GT/BOSS models. Clutch also. Grinding gears, on/off clutch engagement, etc. They just can't seem to fix it. Mine has been in the shop 6 times and I'm on my 3rd Clutch, 3rd flywheel and second transmission at 4,000 miles. The transmission is built in China and the clutch assembly in Turkey.

UGH

8cd03gro · 03-25-2011, 03:50 PM

I'm confused about what problems you yourself are having. If you're car has been in the shop 6 times for the same problem and it hasn't been fixed under warranty, can't you lemon law it?

jmatero · 03-25-2011, 03:52 PM

Oh, I am. It's been in the shop 42 days so that is an automatic "lemon" in California. Just waiting for settlement info and doing my homework on a replacement vehicle. Personally, I love the stang but unless the 2012 owners taking delivery now can verify the issues have been resolved, I'm not going to bite. Hence me looking at the Camaro and Challenger.

8cd03gro · 03-25-2011, 03:59 PM

Ah, I see. Yeah, maybe the best thing to do would be rent a camaro for a week. I know enterprise rents them. If you can't get over the view after a week, you may not be able to deal with it, but I have a feeling you'd get used to it. Have you driven the challenger yet?

wbt · 03-25-2011, 06:37 PM

I would recommend getting the auto Mustang. If that is not an option then I would go for the Challenger.

I have owned all 3 and I would consider it:

Mustang
Challenger
Camaro

Feel free to PM me if you would like specifics.

ckaram · 03-25-2011, 06:40 PM

I daily drive my Camaro and visibility is not an issue. You adjust and look over your shoulder when changing lanes (just like I do with all my cars).

aet08 · 03-25-2011, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmatero

I'm a new Mustang owner with a lemon and out there looking, the one thing that I'm having a hard time with in the Camaro is the view out. During the test drives I found I couldn't see traffic lights at stops. Did you find the limited view out hard to get used to?

Any former 2005-2010 mustang owners out there care to share their experiences transitioning?

you get used to it. you have to be come one with the car and it won't be an issue!

fielderLS3 · 03-25-2011, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmatero

Ford is having a nightmare with the Ford/Getrag MT82 transmission in the V6/GT/BOSS models. Clutch also. Grinding gears, on/off clutch engagement, etc. They just can't seem to fix it. Mine has been in the shop 6 times and I'm on my 3rd Clutch, 3rd flywheel and second transmission at 4,000 miles. The transmission is built in China and the clutch assembly in Turkey.

UGH

This is the first I've ever heard of a Mustang with tranny problems. Mine works perfectly. Sounds like you were unlucky and got a bad one. A few people have had similar nightmares with the Camaro's Tremec as well, but the vast majority of them are fine. (Though I do wish they were sourced from America. Both cars have foreign built transmissions).

jmatero · 03-25-2011, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

This is the first I've ever heard of a Mustang with tranny problems. Mine works perfectly. Sounds like you were unlucky and got a bad one. A few people have had similar nightmares with the Camaro's Tremec as well, but the vast majority of them are fine. (Though I do wish they were sourced from America. Both cars have foreign built transmissions).

Actually, even Ford is admitting it's the norm... You are actually lucky:

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...hread-146.html

8cd03gro · 03-25-2011, 08:46 PM

Sounds like some people have an actual problem and some have never owned a manual car before. When the trans is cold, it's tough to downshift into second or out of neutral into first in my car and almost any manual car I've ever driven. If it goes away at operating temps it's perfectly fine. Some of the other problems are definitely abnormal though.

wbt · 03-25-2011, 08:51 PM

My MT-82 and stock clutch have been good so far and have run the car with stickies on it at the track.

syr74 · 03-25-2011, 09:21 PM

Yeah, there is an an obvious issue here with at least a portion of 2011 production if not the whole run with respect to the 6-speed cars, but the thread at allfordmustangs has devolved to the point where it really isn't useful for much of anything. Ah, the wonders of the internet

fielderLS3 · 03-25-2011, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmatero

Actually, even Ford is admitting it's the norm... You are actually lucky:

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...hread-146.html

Damn, 2200 posts. You've made me very nervous. Perhaps it's only a certain run of parts/build date. What was your build date? Mine was late September 2010.

gtohardtop · 03-25-2011, 09:56 PM

I have both cars right now with no problems I'am 6'7" and I have
more room in the camaro, also, both are automatics. Love the camaro,
a lot of fun to drive

C586 · 03-25-2011, 10:27 PM

For the traffic light issue. A couple years ago I saw something in the back of a car and driver mag I think it was that was a shaped piece of glass that glued to the windshield and reflected the light and made it easier to see. Anybody heard anything like that??

8cd03gro · 03-26-2011, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Damn, 2200 posts. You've made me very nervous. Perhaps it's only a certain run of parts/build date. What was your build date? Mine was late September 2010.

There is definitely a real problem here that ford needs to address, but a lot of the posts are people hearing about the problem and overreacting to normal manual transmission activity in cold weather. Quite a few of their concerns are legitimate, some of them are just complaining about the normal action of first ( a non-synchro gear) in cold weather.

TaylorRyanSS · 03-26-2011, 02:06 AM

I had an '05 Mustang and honestly the Camaro is not that hard to see out of IMO. It takes a little while to get used to but you will be fine. The chop top look is definitely worth losing great visibility. The form comes before the function in this case lol. Be prepared for lots of attention if you get one, way more than you got in the Mustang.

03-23-2011, 11:24 PM	#1
jmatero Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 61	Any Former 2005-2011 Mustang Owners with Advice? I'm a new Mustang owner with a lemon and out there looking, the one thing that I'm having a hard time with in the Camaro is the view out. During the test drives I found I couldn't see traffic lights at stops. Did you find the limited view out hard to get used to? Any former 2005-2010 mustang owners out there care to share their experiences transitioning?

03-23-2011, 11:46 PM	#3
TOMS1SS Drives: NA Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NA Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	Yes the sightlines are difficult to get used to. My list of issues that came up in transition would be; knowing where the front of the hood is, knowing if the driver's side is in the parking space and judging distance backing up. Since I've had my car for over a year it got much easier because I got used to what to expect from the sightlines. The Mustang is easier to see out of but still has more blindspots than less dramactically styled cars. There was a reason all cars were shaped like jelly beans, they were easy to see out of. I'll keep my Camaro, everyone eles can have the jelly beans. __________________ El funcionario señor de los desiertos de Mojave y Sonora.

03-24-2011, 02:24 AM	#4
CloudXTC Drives: 1LT\|RS\|SIM\|M6\|BA Stereo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brampton, Ontario Posts: 1,830	u get used to it... my winter beater is a suv where you sit high up an big ass windshield... now... when I sit in my car... i get difficulties... but 1 day in it and your good to go __________________ 1LT \| RS \| M6 \| SIM \| BA Stereo 1000 - [07-23-2009] Order Made at dealer 1100 - [08-04-2009] Preliminary order accepted 2000 - [08-25-2009] Accepted by GM 3000 - [09-01-2009] Accepted by production control TPW = 10-05-2009 3300 - [09-28-2009] Scheduled for production 3400 - [10-01-2009] Broadcast - Being Built 3800 - [10-13-2009] Produced - Built- VIN 2G1xxx54917 4200 - [10-19-2009] Shipped 5000 - [10-19-2009] Delivered to the dealer 6000 - [10-20-2009] Delivered to the customer

03-24-2011, 06:51 AM	#5
Crowley Okie doke Drives: 2012 GT500 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: McKinney Texas Posts: 3,772 View My Garage	Not a former 05-11 owner, but I had a 2004 cobra and honestly I don't think visibility is that much worse than that car. It does seem a little restrictive at first, but you get used to it fast and then you don't even notice any difference from driving other cars. Crowley __________________

03-25-2011, 06:40 PM	#14
ckaram Drives: 2011 2SS RS, 1968 ragtop Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,512	I daily drive my Camaro and visibility is not an issue. You adjust and look over your shoulder when changing lanes (just like I do with all my cars). __________________ Current Camaros: 1968 convertible, original 327, Iron Eagle heads, DT headers, Magnaflows, Muncie 4-speed, 3.08 posi, 17" Torque Thrusts, 2011 2SS/RS, LS3, M6, IOM in and out, factory Hurst short throw, GMPP axleback exhaust Delivered 5/14/11

03-23-2011, 11:29 PM	#2
kr juice 1 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/rs Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Mission, TX Posts: 426	I'm 6'4" and i love my car. Yes i had the same issue with visability but it's such a fun car to drive you live with it. I have to look down at time to see the traffic lights but small price to pay for a permagrin!

03-25-2011, 02:11 PM	#6
8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,010	What's the problem with the car? If you're tall, visibility isn't horrible in the camaro. It's not great, but it's not unbearable. If you're short it will be much worse.

03-25-2011, 02:15 PM	#8
motorhead Drives: yummy Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: central, Pa Posts: 6,274	I could see out of my mustang much better than my camaro no doubt. Does it bother me no. You get used to it after awhile.

03-25-2011, 03:42 PM	#9
jmatero Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 61	Ford is having a nightmare with the Ford/Getrag MT82 transmission in the V6/GT/BOSS models. Clutch also. Grinding gears, on/off clutch engagement, etc. They just can't seem to fix it. Mine has been in the shop 6 times and I'm on my 3rd Clutch, 3rd flywheel and second transmission at 4,000 miles. The transmission is built in China and the clutch assembly in Turkey. UGH

03-25-2011, 03:50 PM	#10
8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,010	I'm confused about what problems you yourself are having. If you're car has been in the shop 6 times for the same problem and it hasn't been fixed under warranty, can't you lemon law it?

03-25-2011, 03:52 PM	#11
jmatero Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 61	Oh, I am. It's been in the shop 42 days so that is an automatic "lemon" in California. Just waiting for settlement info and doing my homework on a replacement vehicle. Personally, I love the stang but unless the 2012 owners taking delivery now can verify the issues have been resolved, I'm not going to bite. Hence me looking at the Camaro and Challenger.

03-25-2011, 03:59 PM	#12
8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,010	Ah, I see. Yeah, maybe the best thing to do would be rent a camaro for a week. I know enterprise rents them. If you can't get over the view after a week, you may not be able to deal with it, but I have a feeling you'd get used to it. Have you driven the challenger yet?

03-25-2011, 06:37 PM	#13
wbt Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Challenger R/T;2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,107	I would recommend getting the auto Mustang. If that is not an option then I would go for the Challenger. I have owned all 3 and I would consider it: Mustang Challenger Camaro Feel free to PM me if you would like specifics.

03-25-2011, 08:46 PM	#18
8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,010	Sounds like some people have an actual problem and some have never owned a manual car before. When the trans is cold, it's tough to downshift into second or out of neutral into first in my car and almost any manual car I've ever driven. If it goes away at operating temps it's perfectly fine. Some of the other problems are definitely abnormal though.

03-25-2011, 08:51 PM	#19
wbt Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Challenger R/T;2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,107	My MT-82 and stock clutch have been good so far and have run the car with stickies on it at the track.

03-25-2011, 09:21 PM	#20
syr74 Account Suspended Drives: Thunderbird Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 951	Yeah, there is an an obvious issue here with at least a portion of 2011 production if not the whole run with respect to the 6-speed cars, but the thread at allfordmustangs has devolved to the point where it really isn't useful for much of anything. Ah, the wonders of the internet

03-25-2011, 09:56 PM	#22
gtohardtop Drives: 2011 2LT/RS and2008 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 57	I have both cars right now with no problems I'am 6'7" and I have more room in the camaro, also, both are automatics. Love the camaro, a lot of fun to drive __________________ Proverbs 3:5-6 TEAM LLT

03-25-2011, 10:27 PM	#23
C586 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 Camaro LS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NY Posts: 1,120	For the traffic light issue. A couple years ago I saw something in the back of a car and driver mag I think it was that was a shaped piece of glass that glued to the windshield and reflected the light and made it easier to see. Anybody heard anything like that??

03-26-2011, 02:06 AM	#25
TaylorRyanSS COTW: 12/13/10 Drives: '12 370Z, '69 Camaro coming soon! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 7,836	I had an '05 Mustang and honestly the Camaro is not that hard to see out of IMO. It takes a little while to get used to but you will be fine. The chop top look is definitely worth losing great visibility. The form comes before the function in this case lol. Be prepared for lots of attention if you get one, way more than you got in the Mustang. __________________ "Are you one of those boys who prefer cars to women? - I'm one of those boys that appreciates a fine body, regardless of the make." 2010 CAMARO SOLD! JOURNAL: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119635 \| FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/taylor.ryan.apt \| GRAPHIC DESIGN: www.aptdesigns.net

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