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Old 02-16-2009, 10:38 PM   #1
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Auto is faster?!!!!

I have ordered months ago, this girl I know ordered to and is convinced auto is faster ... Im not saying it's not I dont know. Hence my question. But heres another question for you ... why get a automatic sports car? Or better yet who even drives automatic? Even my PT cruiser is a stick!
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:47 PM   #2
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Billions of people drive automatics. To be honest, I wish my monte was a stick. It would be a lot more fun to drive.:(
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:50 PM   #3
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I have ordered months ago, this girl I know ordered to and is convinced auto is faster ... Im not saying it's not I dont know. Hence my question. But heres another question for you ... why get a automatic sports car? Or better yet who even drives automatic? Even my PT cruiser is a stick!
Because a lot of us are lazy or live in hilly areas.

The stick Camaro has 22 more horses, so I'd have to assume it's a tad bit quicker. Probably not enough to be noticeable though.
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:55 PM   #4
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Butt dyno sometimes favors an automatic simply off linear power delivery, but a stick will general put out faster times on a street car.
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Cause America loves automatic's and the rest of the world could care less IMO
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I drive automatic, but I have been thinking about learning stick, because I know how much fun it is, on the other hand I am lazy so I don't know.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:08 PM   #7
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They should be about even. I think the manual will win with a good to great driver but with a decent to poor driver the auto might come out a bit ahead. The auto should be more consistent since it's a computer doing the shifting. Electronics can shift faster than a human typically but there is a bit of a horsepower differential and inherit benefits of a clutch vs torque converter netting to probably about even performance.

It is my opinion that a manual will be more fun and more engaging so that's what I'm going with. I wouldn't base your decision based off of performance but rather your personal preference.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:40 PM   #8
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We would want a stick because we live in serious urban/city areas that would give our thighs and legs workouts from constantly clutching and shifting.. lol by the way we would probablly never be able to fully open it up unless were weaving in and out of expressway traffic... lol no highways in the city.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:40 PM   #9
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besides tap-shift should take care of some of that fun for us. plus we get to have automatic start. (In Chicago) and yeahh it gets cold here. thats a must!
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I drive an auto. it's not boring, but I'll definitely be getting a manual for my Camaro.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:08 AM   #11
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Butt dyno sometimes favors an automatic simply off linear power delivery, but a stick will general put out faster times on a street car.
butt dyno's generally favor manuals IMO because they use to have better torque multiplication through the gears and no torque converter slop. Auto's, with the newer 5 and 6 (+) speed transmission, have recently started surpassing manuals in tq multiplication.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:09 AM   #12
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I had a camaro with an automatic. was fun, but not as fun as a manual.
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M6 is a couple of ticks faster the the A6 from 0-6 and in the 1/4. This info was given to us at Indy by Al...
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:23 AM   #14
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all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.
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I'm getting an automatic..........age, a couple of knee operations, crap like that is why I drive an auto. But when I was young and in my prime I would be grapping gears and it was more fun than the auto. I can't say that I out grew it but if I get a chance to drive a standard I will give it hell. I just couldn't order one knowing the issues I have had with my knees.

I also believe with the right driver a manual would be faster mostly due to more HP but as someone already said there won't/shouldn't be that big a difference.
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all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.
I thought top fuel and funny cars had push button shifters?
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I thought top fuel and funny cars had push button shifters?
Push the button and it automaticly changes gears..... Still no clutch
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all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.
Agreed .. now is my daily driver putting out as much HP as a top fuel dragster .. lol ....

Manual for me ... more fun to drive and it will be faster stock for stock in the 1/4 ..

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I have ordered months ago, this girl I know ordered to and is convinced auto is faster ... Im not saying it's not I dont know. Hence my question. But heres another question for you ... why get a automatic sports car? Or better yet who even drives automatic? Even my PT cruiser is a stick!
this guy drives an auto...




if you wanna play, get a manual, if you wanna go fast, get an auto.


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butt dyno favors manual, and sticks used to put out faster times out the door from production, but you were also comparing a 6 speed manual vs a 4 speed auto. now its 6 speed on both and this new auto rocks

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M6 is a couple of ticks faster the the A6 from 0-6 and in the 1/4. This info was given to us at Indy by Al...
I thought it was the other way around...
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I thought it was the other way around...
Initially the numbers were 4.6 for the A6, and 4.9 for the M6. Not sure where they came from. It was later said by Al that the M6 might be a tick or two faster than the A6, so thats what we're basing it on.
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if you wanna play, get a manual, if you wanna go fast, get an auto.
lol .. again .. is that guy driving that camaro as a daily driver or even on the street .. I aggree .. if you want to go that fast and be consistant .. manual is the way to go ... for a street driven car .. if you want to have fun .. go manual ..

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all the top fuel dragsters are auto for a reason..... think about it.
I believe top fuel actually uses a single gear transmission.

But the autos many people refer to like in F1 cars and the like are actually best described as automatic manuals. They don't have a torque converter setup but a fancy clutch setup that is controlled by the electronics. This is the same system that the paddle shifter ferraris and other really expensive cars use. Basically these transmissions take the benefits of having a clutch plate system in a manual and apply the computer controlled nature of an auto for ultra-fast shifts.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:19 AM   #23
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I believe top fuel actually uses a single gear transmission.

But the autos many people refer to like in F1 cars and the like are actually best described as automatic manuals. They don't have a torque converter setup but a fancy clutch setup that is controlled by the electronics. This is the same system that the paddle shifter ferraris and other really expensive cars use. Basically these transmissions take the benefits of having a clutch plate system in a manual and apply the computer controlled nature of an auto for ultra-fast shifts.
You are correct.......sort of. Top Fuel and Nitro Funny car are direct drive. They use stages of a clutch to allow the engine to maintain a certain RPM down the track. They use timers to apply each stage as the car goes down the track.

Stick is faster, hands down. For many classes the choice to go automatic is because of the penalty to run the stick.

There is less power loss through a stick trans than an automatic. Now in the real world there are automatics that are getting very efficiant. Take them up against a stick that has a lot of rotating mass and they will be close.

But give the same car, same power the stick is faster.

In many cases cars have more power than the car or driver can handle. In those cases the auto is an easy crutch to get over the problems.

I race a 7 second Nova in the NPS class at the NMCA events. I carry an extra 200 pounds because I run a stick.

I run a Liberty Clutchless 5 speed with a 8" twin disc race clutch.

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The modern automatics are getting better and better. The differences in performance between manually shifted and automatically shifted cars are quickly going away.

Here's a quote about the Porsche Turbo comparing the automatic with the manually equipped Porsche.
"no surprise that Porsche’s Tiptronic electronically controlled automatic transmission is good, but it is a surprise to learn that it makes the 2007 911 Turbo quicker down the drag strip."
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:48 PM   #25
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The modern automatics are getting better and better. The differences in performance between manually shifted and automatically shifted cars are quickly going away.

Here's a quote about the Porsche Turbo comparing the automatic with the manually equipped Porsche.
"no surprise that Porsche’s Tiptronic electronically controlled automatic transmission is good, but it is a surprise to learn that it makes the 2007 911 Turbo quicker down the drag strip."
Still if their better ... they would be more fun. I live on long island 1 hour away from manhatten and drive through it all the time, traffic + stick = still fun. Automatic + Stick = bored. Personally I slam on the dead pedal in automatics and look like a moron trying to pull the shifter. I only drove auto for like a few months before I went to school in Aus, where I drove stick, and only have since.

OK m6 a6 I dont know what that is! LOL so auto? manuel?
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