Is there to much censorship on C5

[Gramps69Z]

For the approximately 41,000 members and only 14 moderators I can see how some posts can slip under the crack in the door. Think about what people are going to read and or see before you click that mouse. Wouldn't the world be hell if God gave everyone the same personality.

"BE NICE"

[LolatheSlush]

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

For the approximately 41,000 members and only 14 moderators I can see how some posts can slip under the crack in the door. Think about what people are going to see and or read before you click that mouse. Wouldn't the world be hell if God gave everyone the same personality.

"BE NICE"

lol if they had MY personality.. it would be heaven on earth.. J/K

[christianmotox]

Originally Posted by LolatheSlush

lol if they had MY personality.. it would be heaven on earth.. J/K

Nice !

[Gramps69Z]

Originally Posted by LolatheSlush

lol if they had MY personality.. it would be heaven on earth.. J/K

If everyone had mine there would be mass genocide!

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by nards444

whenever you put something on the internet it not private whether you like it not. second off its a free site so anybody and there mother can get on here. And you are right though if you own something you have the right to dicate anything you want I guess but doesnt mean others will like it.

Either way why do others get to post things and other dont, there are different rules for different people. Certain people can post pics of their girls others can't. They may find their girls hott and others dont, but when some one doesnt they are blacklisted??

I'm pretty sure, I'm never going to change your mind about this site. And you have every right to your opinion.

There is no list of people who can and cant here... There are 40k members and thousands of new posts a day. We just simply cant get to all of them to police every single post.

Any one can post pics of their girlfriends/wives etc. as long as they don't break the rules in doing so...

Posts are edited, deleted or infractions are given for being rude, disrespectful or instigating. Trust me, if I could have it my way the ladies thread would be gone... we wouldn't allow any pics of scantly clad women here.

But I'm not the only one with input to what we allow so I got out voted.

There is no blacklist.

It's all subjective. and we aren't gonna change how we moderate. Unfortunately the only list we have are those that are happy with Camaro5 and those that are not... But who's on it is not up to us... And the list changes every minute of every day...

No excuses, we are not perfect. we make mistakes.

All I can say is, I'm sorry you aren't happy here. Luckily there are many other forums, and you don't have to settle for Camaro5.

FWIW.

[LolatheSlush]

Originally Posted by WYKOFF69Z

If everyone had mine there would be mass genocide!

lol

[guiLT]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

I have to say, the mods have been pretty fair with me. I've seen some people say that it's a "public" forum thereby entitling them to come in and speak their minds. While it's true that this is a "public" forum, it's not much different than a bar or eating establishment. People get banned from such establishments for acting out of line, just as people get banned from here for doing the same in the eyes of the managers or moderators.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I've been a long time lurker, but I've been a moderator and/or administrator on about a dozen forums (various automotive/motorcycles). It's very easy to slam the moderators for "censorship", but you also forget that there are vendors who often pay to advertise and promote this site. In doing so, it's this site's responsibility to make sure those companies aren't promoting a juvenile website that makes those companies look bad. This is just merely one side of the picture, but it is something that has to be watched.

Sure, members could chip in and support the site, but it's far easier and much more beneficial for us all when you can get companies like Edelbrock, GM, etc to help out.

I can say from past experience that some members do get preferential treatment. If you have a guy who helps out all over the site, and some moron starts a fight with him, yeah....you'll probably let him trash the punk. Still, I think what most people want is a level playing field. If I'm out of line, I don't mind being tapped on the shoulder and told to chill....however, don't let the other guy off the hook either.

In the past, I would always try to keep it public, so that the site saw what was being done, and why. I wasn't always able to do so, but it was something I did try to do.

Compared to other sites I've been on, this is still one of the best in terms of moderators and members.

Originally Posted by Hired Gun

All I know is that I love C5. It has been the best site I have been on. I am a VP of a diesel site, and it is much more strict than this site.

Originally Posted by h2oplay

GREAT point...... I also like this site to be family friendly in case the kids check it out, there's plenty of crappy sites out there that are low class if that's what folks want....

I agree with this. I know my 14 year old daughter posts on here, and I DO NOT want her stubbling onto dirty threads and so and so.

Originally Posted by Sword5

He said p**p!

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I was hoping more of my attempt to bridge the gap would be acknowledged other than one sentence....

I guess this thread will simply serve as a reminder that we, in fact, can't make everyone happy.

Sux to be me I guess...

GTAHVIT, I think you and all the rest of the Mod Squad do a great job of keep this site clean and family friendly.

Originally Posted by Forearms

Yes, I understand this. However, people in power shouldn't be censoring based on whether or not they "like" the person.

They dont. Ive seen some people that the moderators really liked get banned.

Originally Posted by nards444

even this thread it gets moved over to a less browsed forum?? Hmmm?? Not a general discussion topic?? Im sure there is some excuse for it.

Well, this is Camaro5 suggestions.. So it belongs into the Camaro5 suggections forum...

I would like a list of all the members that have special rights that way I know who I can't mess with on here and who I have to bow down too.

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Originally Posted by 1o.f00t.570rk

Thank you C5 moderators for your hard work. I decided not to vote because regardless of what I think, you have worked hard to cultivate the kind of community you want.

If anything, this topic highlights the limits of digital communication. There is so much of face-to-face communication which is not translated into text. It makes me think of that one alien race in Mass Effect that prefaced sentences with a mood statement to ensure their point was made.

Excited postulation: It would be much easier for people to understand what is intended if they prefaced with some sort of mood statement. Dissapointed admission: Most people probably would complain that the method wasn't fast enough.

Deferential gratitude: Thanks again C5 moderators, and keep up the hard work!

Originally Posted by LolatheSlush

lol if they had MY personality.. it would be heaven on earth.. J/K

[LolatheSlush]

[Mindz]

Looks like I missed a bunch of conversation since I've been working all day. Most of the posts made by Moose and GTAHVIT have covered most of the points, although there is one thing I'd like to touch up on.

Originally Posted by nards444

I agree mods do some good stuff. But a forum where all goes would benefit all. Charge 5 bucks membership for a year make some money for C5 and it will act as verification for 18+. Certain rules still apply such as outlandish language, obsessive attacks, and racial topics. But all pics go and topics aside that. This would allow people to maybe vent and keep The crap as some say in a certain area. maybe less work for mods

Ive just seen way to many post deleted of other and mine as well. Ive also seen my wording changed. What gets me and what got me my last ban was the fact that you can only post pics of C5 girls with cars and no other girl was allowed. I understand were trying to maintain a certain atmosphere and what not but at least make it fair because there definitely is different rules for different people in here

Please read this, posted over a week ago. It seems that the moderators aren't the only ones who miss a thread/post here and there...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=54

[KILLER74Z28]

Originally Posted by Mindz

Looks like I missed a bunch of conversation since I've been working all day. Most of the posts made by Moose and GTAHVIT have covered most of the points, although there is one thing I'd like to touch up on.




Please read this, posted over a week ago. It seems that the moderators aren't the only ones who miss a thread/post here and there...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=54

I'm still wondering how many of our great members have yet to read this thread...

CAMARO5.com RULES. Please read this before posting!

[Darth_Emma]

Just a suggestion, maybe the rules thread needs to be at the tippity top of the forums as the first line of the index page.

[nards444]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

I'm pretty sure, I'm never going to change your mind about this site. And you have every right to your opinion.

There is no list of people who can and cant here... There are 40k members and thousands of new posts a day. We just simply cant get to all of them to police every single post.

Any one can post pics of their girlfriends/wives etc. as long as they don't break the rules in doing so...

Posts are edited, deleted or infractions are given for being rude, disrespectful or instigating. Trust me, if I could have it my way the ladies thread would be gone... we wouldn't allow any pics of scantly clad women here.

But I'm not the only one with input to what we allow so I got out voted.

There is no blacklist.

It's all subjective. and we aren't gonna change how we moderate. Unfortunately the only list we have are those that are happy with Camaro5 and those that are not... But who's on it is not up to us... And the list changes every minute of every day...

No excuses, we are not perfect. we make mistakes.

All I can say is, I'm sorry you aren't happy here. Luckily there are many other forums, and you don't have to settle for Camaro5.

FWIW.

I like the website its not favorite nor are all the people but its good entertainment and a good place to find things. And I have nothing against MODS. But Im not the only one that feels like there are rules for different people and if I could add names I would but I dont think I need to go that far. If there are going to be rules then everybody needs to abide by them, there shouldnt be some loose rules because somebody's so and so post a pic of their wife that others think is hot mainly old men and whatever, or somebody that just flat out posts a ton. I think there is to much censorship here you dont, which will always be a disagreemnt which is fine I respect your arguemnt. But everybody needs to be held to the same standard and somebody shouldnt be punished for not going with the politcal agenda of C5.

[liquidsmoke]

Originally Posted by nards444

I like the website its not favorite nor are all the people but its good entertainment and a good place to find things. And I have nothing against MODS. But Im not the only one that feels like there are rules for different people and if I could add names I would but I dont think I need to go that far. If there are going to be rules then everybody needs to abide by them, there shouldnt be some loose rules because somebody's so and so post a pic of their wife that others think is hot mainly old men and whatever, or somebody that just flat out posts a ton. I think there is to much censorship here you dont, which will always be a disagreemnt which is fine I respect your arguemnt. But everybody needs to be held to the same standard and somebody shouldnt be punished for not going with the politcal agenda of C5.

And I'll add, I know no matter what some people will get treated differently, that's life. But for the mods to admit we do not judge fairly seems counter productive.

I keep hearing people say, we can't be all things to all people. But it seems like that's exactly what this site is trying to be. Too much energy is being wasted on people who don't even own camaro's and not even old enough to legally drive.

How about a section that is only visible to those who can prove they own the car? If you don't own one, about to own one, or a vendor I really don't understand why you are even here. Go get some camaro wallpapers and find something better to do with your time. 14 year olds should not be on this site.
I wouldn't outright disallow them, but there is no benefit I can see to structure rules to cater to this crowd.
But that's just my personal opinion.

Also I have a question for whoever actually owns this site.

What is the purpose of this site?

Is it to celebrate the Camaro

Or is it to grow a huge user base and make money?


Just curious, nothing wrong with either answer.
But would maybe answer questions about motivation.

[Darth_Emma]

Personally, I prefer to be a member of an inclusive site rather than an exclusive site.

I asked a lot of questions before I got my Camaro and I thank those owners who answered them.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

Personally, I prefer to be a member of an inclusive site rather than an exclusive site.

I asked a lot of questions before I got my Camaro and I thank those owners who answered them.

There may be several reasons why someone here does not have a Camaro. Does that mean we should not allow them to be here? The answer to me is obvious. If there are things here you disagree with or a thread you don't like, just don't go in and just browse what makes you comfortable. I don't understand why people would rather bitch about something rather than just ignore it and move on. The thread affects you in no personal way unless you let it.

[LolatheSlush]

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

Personally, I prefer to be a member of an inclusive site rather than an exclusive site.

I asked a lot of questions before I got my Camaro and I thank those owners who answered them.

You hit the nail on the head... i actually found the site AFTER i got my car, but i see a lot of people who don't own one asking a lot of questions and i think its very informative. There should be no reason to exclude people.

[chevy 3]

This site is just great. I've met a ton of new friends and even rekindled some old friends. Thanks c5 mods for doing such a good job. I couldn't deal with not being able to post for 10 frigging days or scroll the new post. Noooooooo!!!!

[liquidsmoke]

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

Personally, I prefer to be a member of an inclusive site rather than an exclusive site.

I asked a lot of questions before I got my Camaro and I thank those owners who answered them.

Well I'm not saying make the whole site exclusive. I said a section. But it's prob a bad idea in any case.
My idea isn't to limit the people who come here, but more like not overly cater to those who have less meaningful reasons to be here.
If your 14 and want to come here that's fine, but I don't want to see rules made because 14 year olds are here when they really don't have many reasons to be here.

More importantly I'm saying, don't make rules that primarily benefit people who don't even own the car or are too young to own any car at all.

Don't focus on one sentence and ignore all the ones before and after it.

[zebra]

wow... this has been entertaining

Originally Posted by Forearms

Yes, I understand this. However, people in power shouldn't be censoring based on whether or not they "like" the person.

i feel it's pretty safe to say i'm on most of the mods' "good list", but i've still had posts deleted & i've even been infracted for somebody quoting my post & turning it into a political discussion. the mods have a tough job to do & i commend them for handling all they do with the professionalism they do it with. there's plenty of times somebody's really needed a thrashing & they've restrained themselves & treated them with respectful admoishment instead of giving them what they deserved.

some things will fly under the radar - that's jus how it goes, butr overall, i'd say the mods do a great job. i'm on some other sites where you'd never get away with posting some of the stuff that goes on here. sites like that are the ones you can get on at work, home, or wherever & not have to worry who might walk by & see you on it. that's one of the goals of this website (as well as a couple others i'm on - and, as a result, the moderation is a little stricter). the sites that have free-for-all sections or lax-ruled babes threads are usually the ones that you can't access at work du to either network filters or the moral conscience of not wanting to let somebody see you on a particular thread. i commend Tran for how he's handled the administration of this site.

i can get my camaro fix pretty much wherever i want - and i ain't even got a camaro

[zebra]

Originally Posted by liquidsmoke

...More importantly I'm saying, don't make rules that primarily benefit people who don't even own the car or are too young to own any car at all...

remember - for the first 3.5yrs of this site's existence, nobody even had one of these...

it was a site for the people who wanted to get one at some point or another. i know 14yr-olds who want to buy a camaro. i know 50yr-olds who want to buy a camaro. they all came here to find out about a significant investment in their lives. once people started geting the cars, that was like finding an upper-classman who could give you the low-down on which teachers to hang around/classes to take. that's what this site is about - people who love this car getting together & sharing information/perspectives... whether they're buying the car tomorrow or two years from now. if we tend to shoot the breeze between site-related conversations, so be it. just remember... this site has rules that need to be followed

[buzzy56]

Sometimes I wonder if people proof read their post's prior to submitting?I do believe that if more people took the time to re-read prior to posting that they might reword , re-think or even cancel their posts.Yes I know sometimes this site is not fair and we are not all treated equally.But guess what school and work & life are that way also? Yea too bad is isn't .So I guess you just have to make the best of it & decide if its worth it too you to continue to participate or move on.I like to browse the site daily and quite often leave the site open on my laptop.I would hope that we would all use good judgment in the words and pictures that we use and post just as if our young children , grandchildren were in our household and might view the content here.First and most important this site is about the Camaro and anything else is secondary.If its pics of ladies you want then there are plenty of places that fill that need. Just maby sometimes individuals feel powerless in their own life's and when they go on line they have a tendency to exhibit their bully tendencies never really sure of their selfs.My father told me something quite often as a small child ,"life's not always fair so don't expect it ", & you know what that has always stayed with me.I don't need to be reminded of it.I understand it.

[wrbear]

My recent experience is that I'm telling an OP objectively that I use a leaf blower and some locally purchased micro fiber towels (no advertisement but a SAM brand..I don't own stock) to get my car cleaned and the next thing I know a vendor is "challenging" me with pictures and a "challenge".....WHAT IS THAT? So I move on , a week later I go back and find out someone complained about the posts around 10 posts after I left.......the post gets a warning? The admin... say everything is ok keep moving all is well...that's because I lost interest with this vendor and moved on….....what's that?

[liquidsmoke]

Originally Posted by zebra

remember - for the first 3.5yrs of this site's existence, nobody even had one of these...

it was a site for the people who wanted to get one at some point or another. i know 14yr-olds who want to buy a camaro. i know 50yr-olds who want to buy a camaro. they all came here to find out about a significant investment in their lives. once people started geting the cars, that was like finding an upper-classman who could give you the low-down on which teachers to hang around/classes to take. that's what this site is about - people who love this car getting together & sharing information/perspectives... whether they're buying the car tomorrow or two years from now. if we tend to shoot the breeze between site-related conversations, so be it. just remember... this site has rules that need to be followed

Remember when I said "if you don't own one, or about to own one" it was in the same sentence.

My gripe is about people who don't own one, don't want to own one, now or in the future, but yet they are still here and rules being made to appease them.

Now I don't care one way or the other about the rule about pics with chicks. Plenty of other sites that focus on that. What I don't want is to come here one day and finding out I can't even curse in a thread because the little ones are watching.

[speedster]

This site is based on the 5th Gen Camaro and the MODS and owner(s) have done an excellent job in keeping it that way. There are so many other sites out there with everything from boats to candlewax.

This is first and foremost a 5th Gen Camaro site. This community has grown by leaps and bounds and has become the LARGEST 5th gen site and that is due in no small part to how it has been structured and maintained.

People share information. People share opinions, ideas, thoughts. Yes it is a public forum but under private ownership with a specific mission statement and rules. Do we all agree with them ? No. With 41,000+ members we WILL NOT all agree. Can you go elsewhere? It's a free country - have at it.

But some things to consider:

Through this website many friendships have been made and some of these have resulted in unbelievable selfless acts that I have not witnessed anywhere else.

We now have events such as C5Fest which came as a direct result of this website.

People have been married because of this site.

GM is doing a world premier of a car at C5FestII because of this site.


These speak volumes of what has been accomplished here.

[Gramps69Z]

Originally Posted by buzzy56

Sometimes I wonder if people proof read their post's prior to submitting?I do believe that if more people took the time to re-read prior to posting that they might reword , re-think or even cancel their posts.Yes I know sometimes this site is not fair and we are not all treated equally.But guess what school and work & life are that way also? Yea too bad is isn't .So I guess you just have to make the best of it & decide if its worth it too you to continue to participate or move on.I like to browse the site daily and quite often leave the site open on my laptop.I would hope that we would all use good judgment in the words and pictures that we use and post just as if our young children , grandchildren were in our household and might view the content here.First and most important this site is about the Camaro and anything else is secondary.If its pics of ladies you want then there are plenty of places that fill that need. Just maby sometimes individuals feel powerless in their own life's and when they go on line they have a tendency to exhibit their bully tendencies never really sure of their selfs.My father told me something quite often as a small child ,"life's not always fair so don't expect it ", & you know what that has always stayed with me.I don't need to be reminded of it.I understand it.

There's been several times I was going to post, then I sat back read it and realized it was not relevant. I think most people need to do the same.
As stated don't post anything you wouldn't want a family member to see, be in in words or pictures.

The mods on this site do a great job. Don't you wish you had their hours, pay, and benefits?

At times I feel I'm more of a babysitter than a captian and I'm sure it's the same as being a moderator.





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