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Old 03-30-2011, 09:13 PM   #51
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Nope..why would I want to downgrade....
Already built a supersnake killer.
And working on the roadcourse Boss Killer. But it will take some big brakes "Stop Tech" and a full pfadt kit. No big deal and then the Z28 will still seem mild compared.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:23 PM   #52
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Hmmm, I seem to recall my '69 Z/28 having some GFX, though it was modest chin and trunk lid spoilers.
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That's not the point. The question is "do you want a Boss killer?" Well that's not going to happen by adding weight to the car. Besides, 69 camaros didn't have GFX unless you count chrome rocker molding as GFX. LOL
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:03 PM   #53
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For those of you that want a Z28, I hope that GM builds the car that you want. A lighter, more stripped down model. For me, GM built built me the exact car that I hoped/wanted them to build in the ZL1. The fact that it might be a bit heavier does not bother me a bit. A 550+HP S/C engine, Magnetic Shocks, HD Suspension, Forged Wheels with huge tires, 6 Piston Brembo brakes with large rotors, Suede Interior, Heads Up Display, Dual Mode Exhaust and Carbon Fiber Hood insert. There is nothing that I want to change, for me, the car is perfect. I hope they do the same for you and build the Z28 that you want.
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That's not the point. The question is "do you want a Boss killer?" Well that's not going to happen by adding weight to the car. Besides, 69 camaros didn't have GFX unless you count chrome rocker molding as GFX. LOL
Well the chin and trunk lid spoilers added very little weight and were quite effective at changing the handling characteristics. Educate yourself:

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/...article_fs.htm with further info on them. Statements that GFX should not be on a new Z/28 can be very misleading if the GFX weigh little and make a big difference in handling at highway speeds and above.
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Even the current GFX pieces I have on mine are very light and make the vehicle a lot more aerodynamics and looks lowered.
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Old 03-31-2011, 09:43 AM   #56
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New test picture of the new Z/28.

Can you see the Z/28 emblems on it?

Thank you alex33x for letting me use your car.
Nice looking, and good option, but I would love if it would look similar to this:

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Old 03-31-2011, 11:22 AM   #57
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The reason I say use the 5.3L is just for heritage sake. It was always a smaller displacement engine compared to the the other models available. Since the 5.5 DI is still a mystery as to what where and when this thing will debut in, the 5.3 (327 CID) can be a high rev dependable motor because of the smaller bores of the block. It is very possible to get 450hp out of that motor and still have the efficiency and dependability we all would expect from a GM production engine. Its just my take and of course I welcome any discussions or rebuttals of it.
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:14 PM   #58
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Nice looking, and good option, but I would love if it would look similar to this:

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YES, that appears to be a Z28!
I would prefer the ZL1 rear spoiler.

In the latest MT magazine it said the Zeta is here for a while, maybe 2016+. Which is good in my opinion. I really dig this design, and apparently so do many others. It also said that GM would release a Camaro of some sort evey 6 months or so to keep ahead of the Mustang.
Very interesting.
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:39 PM   #59
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YES, that appears to be a Z28!
I would prefer the ZL1 rear spoiler.

In the latest MT magazine it said the Zeta is here for a while, maybe 2016+. Which is good in my opinion. I really dig this design, and apparently so do many others. It also said that GM would release a Camaro of some sort evey 6 months or so to keep ahead of the Mustang.
Very interesting.
X the stripes on the roof, and my choice looks better.

Must have ground affects and a different hood not the ZL1 hood.
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Old 03-31-2011, 01:59 PM   #60
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Just a quick note on the engine displacement. The reason that the Z28 had the DZ302 was that Trans Am cars were limited to a 5.0 liter max displacement. With no race series to enforce restrictions, there is no reason to not put the 6.2 or even , theoretically (I say theoretically because the cost of the LS7 makes it prohibitively expensive) the LS7 since the structure (block, heads etc) is going to weigh extremely close to the what a 5.3 would (if not slightly less due to less mass in the block since it will have larger cylinder bores).
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Just a quick note on the engine displacement. The reason that the Z28 had the DZ302 was that Trans Am cars were limited to a 5.0 liter max displacement. With no race series to enforce restrictions, there is no reason to not put the 6.2 or even , theoretically (I say theoretically because the cost of the LS7 makes it prohibitively expensive) the LS7 since the structure (block, heads etc) is going to weigh extremely close to the what a 5.3 would (if not slightly less due to less mass in the block since it will have larger cylinder bores).


Thank You!

Stop with the smaller engine stuff. We need to be realistic about what GM can and will do. Look to the Boss and add GM's one or two-uppingness!
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:56 PM   #62
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Thanks, I'm aware of the 5.0 liter max displacement for the series. The only other engine available that GM has to offer for heritage sake would be the 4.8L and I Just can't see putting a 4.8 in the car that is a little too over board. It wasn't my intention to say that a modified 5.3 would be better than the L99 or LS3 all I am saying is that the whole 5th gen theme has really been focused on heritage. I am pretty sure that is why the ZL1 is named that and not Z/28. The point of the story was that the Z/28 was proven to do more with less. I still think that they can achieve this goal.
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Old 03-31-2011, 04:10 PM   #63
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Fair enough, however I disagree. Short of going to a ohc, 4v arrangement like the coyote 5.0, increased displacement is, IMO, the only way for GM to get a reliable, efficient and emissions-friendly power plant (even with DI which seems to be good for about 10% more power in a given mill).
As an example, look at the LS7. GM tuned it to 505/475 so that the engine could meet the above mentioned goals. Does it have more in it? Lingenfelter certainly seems to think so : http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-p...cid-ls7-630-hp
But this is an aftermarket company not worried about having to honor warranty cliams . So, while I completely understand what you are saying about heritage, I believe that without making a OHC LS series, you are not going to see 440+ (warrantied) horsepower out of the 5.3. YMMV
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At 327 HP the LS327 didn't fair too bad against the LS7 and the LS3 in the GM performance crate motor shoot out. That is with an Iron Block, 9.5CR, and a recommended 87 octane compared to the others. With a power bump better heads and cam maybe the Camaro with lighter wheels, better suspension, Recaro seats, etc. wouldn't be so bad.

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Hmm, guess we have a slightly different take on how a 327 HP LS 327 stacks up against a (minimum) 430 HP LS3 (non hot cam version) and a 505 HP LS7.
I guess I just do not see GM either changing their motor design for this one car or making a motor that is not just short of bullet-proof (as delivered by the factory).
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:56 PM   #66
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Im pretty sure a 5.3 is 325CI so the heritage thing doesnt really fit.
I still say to use an LS7, it may be more expensive, but that only the difference between and LS3 and a LS7. Plus if they step up production it would help to lower the price.
Seriously, if you were to race against a Boss on a roadcourse, who wouldnt want an LS7 under the hood.
My Z28 would start with a base v6 Camaro, LS7, ZL1 brakes, suspension, drievtrain and wheels.
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i already got a boss killer
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Old 03-31-2011, 08:45 PM   #68
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Number 3 has already made mention that the LS3 is the Camaro's engine in his own cryptic way (except of course the ZL1).

An engine change is a pretty mute point.
Now adding power to the LS3 is open for discussion.
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Old 03-31-2011, 09:37 PM   #69
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I love the idea of more versions of Camaro...and another car to kick Ford in the axles...I just can't help but wonder how many people would be willing to sacrifice what's necessary to get a Z28 worthy of the name...

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The Z-28 should be a little more cost effective. The ZL1 is expected to be $60k.
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Try $80000 + MSRP of the Camaro itself.
It's on their (SLP's) website.
And: No, it's not...kinda.

GM's making a factory ZL1...the SLP car is something different.

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I love the idea of more versions of Camaro...and another car to kick Ford in the axles...I just can't help but wonder how many people would be willing to sacrifice what's necessary to get a Z28 worthy of the name...
About the same that will buy a ZL1.. I personally think that the ZL1 will also be low in the sales department. The GT500 in 2011 will be around 5500, so I would say that you can expect similar for a ZL1.
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:41 AM   #71
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Personally, I would love to see additional variants of the 5th generation Camaro. In practice, I would think it'd be more cost-effective to create them as factory performance packages available on-request.

I'm not a track star like some of the C5 member's; so, I like to push my little V6 around corners and in the twisties a little harder and a little faster than the next guy to get my kicks. I think a Z/28 would be more fun for the everyday driver who wants that little bit of a thrill from being able to reasonably blow by most cars while being able to chuck it into a corner in the city when it suits them.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:17 AM   #72
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looking at the sales statistics.. i think the camaro IS the B O S S
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Yes, I'll buy a Z28 if offered.

A 475hp 6.5L (396ci) would be nice, but unlikely.

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So what if the Z28 weighed 3800 lbs.?
The Boss is about 20 lbs. more than the GT, and blows it away. It's all about control. Losing weight would be nice, but you can still have great handling just ask Pedders and Pfadt!
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