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Old 08-22-2006, 01:01 AM   #1
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Pricing/optioning guesstimate

Ok, before anyone gets to excited remember this thread is three months old, from another website, and totally fictional. That said, I think the orignal poster of this thread is way out in left field!!! What do you guys think? I want details people!!!

As many of you saw a few months ago I put together a model and options list for the new Camaro.

Since then, different models, engines and content have been mentioned here.

So I’ve decided to update this thread. For the prices I started with current Mustang base prices, adjusted to 2009 dollars by adding 2% a year and then added $700 since I believe the Camaro will cost between $500 and $1000 more.

Notice how many engines I added

From everything I’ve read here and the research I’ve done this should be damn close to what we will see in a few years.

Base V6 Camaro
MSRP* $ 21,750.00 (base price) to $ 36,620.00 (fully optioned)

Standard Options:
• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 240 hp 3.9L 3900 V6
• Tires: front and rear, P235/40-17,
• Wheels: 17- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player

Optional Base V6:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL $195
• Automatic Transmission $850
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 17- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Convertible $4000
• Power Sunroof $2000
• Floor mats: carpeted $75
• RALLY SPORT PACKAGE- 310hp HF V6 with DOD, dual exhaust, 17" aluminum polished wheels with P245/40-17 tires, RS badges, fog lamps, body-color grille inserts, front and rear fascia extensions $3000


Super Sport Camaro (SS)
MSRP* $ 28,145.00 (base price) to $ 41,745.00 (fully optioned)

• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Engine: 420 hp 6.0L 6000 V8 LS3 with DOD
• Duel exhaust
• Tires: front and rear, P245/40ZR-18,
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• Fog lamps
• SS grille
• SS hood with scoop
• SS front and rear fascia
• SS Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted

Optional SS:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• PERFORMANCE PACKAGE- performance handling suspension with stiffer springs, stabilizer bars, performance axle ratio, chrome tail pipes $2000
• Automatic Transmission $850
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 18- x 8.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Convertible $4000
• Power Sunroof $2000


Z28 Camaro (Limited Production)
MSRP* $ 39,250.00 (base price) to $ 44,985.00 (fully optioned)

• Active Handling System: improves traction and enhances vehicle stability
• Brakes: four-wheel antilock disc standard
• Performance large cross drilled rotors
• performance handling suspension with stiffer springs, stabilizer bars, performance axle ratio
• Engine: 525 hp Supercharged 6.0L 6000 V8 LS9
• Special Z28 exhaust outlets, polished, four-inch stainless-steel tips
• Tires: front, P275/40ZR-19,
• Tires: rear, P295/40ZR-19,
• Wheels: 18- x 9.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, silver-painted, aluminum
• Six-speed manual transmission
• Air conditioning
• Power windows
• Remote Keyless Entry
• Cruise control
• Cloth bucket seats
• CD player
• Fog lamps
• Z28 grille
• Z28 hood with scoop
• Z28 front and rear fascia
• Z28 Spoiler
• LIMITED SLIP REAR DIFFERENTIAL
• Floor mats: carpeted

Optional Z28:
• PREMIUM PACKAGE- includes dual-zone air conditioning, automatic power Leather seating with heated 6-way power driver seat and front passenger and Head-Up Display with on-board computer (MPG, outside temp, compass etc.) $1515
• XM Satellite Radio $325
• OnStar $695
• Leather seating with 6-way power driver seat $1015
• Bose Monsoon Premium sound system with in-dash 6 CD changer and MP3 connection $600
• Wheels: 19- x 9.5-inch front and rear, five-spoke, polished, aluminum $600
• Power Sunroof $2000
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Looks like this guy spent some serious time crunching #'s. BUT...I don't see GM calling this vehicle AFFORDABLE for the younger generation with prices like that! That's for damn sure. If they price it that high (40K plus w/ all options), how many people on this site can honestly say they can afford it? I couldn't afford it. We're living on my paycheck alone and my wife's a stay at home mom. I mean, I'm looking at no more than $30k unless I get an awesome APR. And, we are living comfortably.

A V6 fully optioned at $36,620? Um, no. Once again, NOT AFFORDABLE to the "younger generation" that GM claims to be marketing this to. There's no way GM is going to sell 100K+ at those prices. MY OPINION, it won't happen like this.

Agreed.....LEFT FIELD!!!!
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BUT...I don't see GM calling this vehicle AFFORDABLE for the younger generation with prices like that! That's for damn sure. If they price it that high (40K plus w/ all options), how many people on this site can honestly say they can afford it? I couldn't afford it. We're living on my paycheck alone and my wife's a stay at home mom. I mean, I'm looking at no more than $30k unless I get an awesome APR. And, we are living comfortably.

A V6 fully optioned at $36,620? Um, no. Once again, NOT AFFORDABLE to the "younger generation" that GM claims to be marketing this to. There's no way GM is going to sell 100K+ at those prices. MY OPINION, it won't happen like this.

Agreed.....LEFT FIELD!!!!

Well they probably mean base base will be 19-21k when they affordable to the younger generation. and if you recall the last ss went for around 32k. which I would think they would keep the ss or z28 which ever they put on top close to that and if the zl-1 came out that would be around 40k. but that's me. but he did give the z-28 525 hp. nice!. I want one. I will sale everything I own to get one (I'm single so I can do that) like that. lol.


can't wait to find out what actually the prices will be with options and engine choices.
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Maybe he meant 26k for a fully loaded V6.
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:28 PM   #5
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I could see 26K for a fully loaded conv. V6. I want to say that back in 02, I recall seeing SS MSRP's at around 29K. That might very well be off. But that's what I remembered. The SS went for approx 3K more than your standard Z28. Now I do know this was right because my Z28 was at 25,9 MSRP.
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The best pricing gauge is what the main competition will be priced at, figure somewhere within a few thousand of a Mustang. The Dodge Challenger from what I've read is going to be more limited, around 30,000 or so produced annually so you know that's going to be close to $40K, the Mustang is over 100,000 annual production so figure between $29-$33K for a fully loaded Camaro (SS or Z28) V8.
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Between $29-$33 is where I'm at. $33 would even be stetching it, but I might be able to make it.
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well by the time I'm able to put money down I'll have everything but my credit card paid off and I will be able to get one with two cars traded in plus me selling my 1980 malibu. btw does anyone want one? lol j/k.
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Ok, I built the following vehicles today on line:

07 Mustang GT, 300 HP, MSRP $29,855 and that was loaded.

06 GTO, 400 HP, MSRP $32,685 not much in options.

06 Charger
R/T, 340 HP, MSRP $30,705
Daytona R/T, 350 HP, MSRP $33,255
SRT 8, 425 HP, MSRP $38,095
All prices on Charger are base, their website sucks (not able to add options)…

Here is what I feel the new Camaro might have as engine options and sale for:

V6, 3.9 240 HP, 20k to 25k loaded.
Z28, 5.3L 315 to 325 HP 25k to 30k loaded.
Z28, LS6 400 HP, 25k to 30k loaded.
SS (ZL1), LS7 500 HP, 35k to 40k. Remember this is a 12k engine by its self…
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You know what? I'm just gonna have to go all out and get the biggest and baddest. I'm talkin ZL1, here..if offered. How I'm gonna do it, I have no freakin clue! But, for starters, two days of 10 hours overtime per day is gettin me $600. I'm hoping to keep payments at or below $400 per month. I just can't miss out on the 12K engine! Holy crap, it's a work of art!

And if GM can keep the #'s in the same ball park as the other dealers, or even below that (because it will be very affordable to the younger consumers), then it just might be priced like your build quotes listed above. I can't see GM pricing this too high. As I've said before, they have way too much to lose. Thanks for doing the research on those, by the way.
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I'm hoping to keep payments at or below $400 per month. I just can't miss out on the 12K engine! Holy crap, it's a work of art!

That is never going to happen. I'm a loan officer at a bank by trade, here is how it's going to break down:

$30K sticker + TTL, no down payment = $662.15 for 60 months
$30K sticker + TTL, no down payment = $571.96 for 72 months
$30K sticker + TTL, $5K down payment = $561.37 for 60 months
$30K sticker + TTL, $5K down payment = $484.90 for 72 months

I'm think pricing wil be more around $32K for a nicely equipped Camaro, no money down:

$610.79 for 72 mo
$706.29 for 60 mo

For $400 a month you'll need the camaro to sticker as you want it for no more than $30K and put down almost $13K for 60 months and that puts you at $403.30 a month.

Plus a ZL1 would be a more limited number car like the Shelby Mustang is, figure $45K and you know the dealer WILL mark that car up easily $10K-$20K so say $55K for 72 months=$1048.60

Anyone that thinks Chevy will sell a 500hp Camaro for under $40K and the dealer not mark that up at least $10K I would like to place a wager right now, I need to add to my down payment, and I will. Just look at the Shelby Mustang....the same deal......Any takers???
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I neglected to say that my 02 SS is paid off. By the time the Camaro comes out, I should also have my wifes 05 Kia Sorento paid off. That means no car payments whatsoever. So, I'm gonna have to sell my wifes car to get this...HAHAHAHA...ok, I'm going to have to sell my 02 SS. I should be able to get excellent money for it seeing as though it has super low miles and is in immaculate condition. I didn't bother mentioning that in the last post. Therefore, my payments will be at or below $400 w/ oh, 16 to 18K down.
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Now that make sense at $400 for $32K Camaro with a big down payment...figure $20K loan is going to be close to $400 monthly.....but a 500hp is going to be limited and dealers will mark it up, I wouldn't expect less that $55K for that ride with the markup....so well over $600 even with a huge down payment.
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$0 down w/ a $24,5 loan (will have to get final figure later) @ 4.4% financing got us $401.00 per month. It will be possible to get it at the point I want it. And for the dealer who tries to screw me w/ that MSRP markup B.S., well...they won't like me too much. I'll leave it at that.

original loan 24,526.64 @ 4.4% apr = 401.31 per month
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That is never going to happen. I'm a loan officer at a bank by trade, here is how it's going to break down:

$30K sticker + TTL, no down payment = $662.15 for 60 months
$30K sticker + TTL, no down payment = $571.96 for 72 months
$30K sticker + TTL, $5K down payment = $561.37 for 60 months
$30K sticker + TTL, $5K down payment = $484.90 for 72 months

I'm think pricing wil be more around $32K for a nicely equipped Camaro, no money down:

$610.79 for 72 mo
$706.29 for 60 mo

For $400 a month you'll need the camaro to sticker as you want it for no more than $30K and put down almost $13K for 60 months and that puts you at $403.30 a month.

Plus a ZL1 would be a more limited number car like the Shelby Mustang is, figure $45K and you know the dealer WILL mark that car up easily $10K-$20K so say $55K for 72 months=$1048.60

Anyone that thinks Chevy will sell a 500hp Camaro for under $40K and the dealer not mark that up at least $10K I would like to place a wager right now, I need to add to my down payment, and I will. Just look at the Shelby Mustang....the same deal......Any takers???
Thanks Birdy, now we all know how much we are going to need to save to keep the payments down. Also, be careful on your bet I know of more than one person who paid MSRP for their GT500. You just need to find the right dealer…
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birdy223, how about some helpful hints when trying to get the lowest APR? What do you suggest we do? I bank w/ USAA who offered 6.0 APR on my new veh loan. The dealer said USAA couldn't touch their 4.4 APR. USAA asked if that was the lowest they would go. Dealer said yes. USAA agreed to match it. Then, dealer offered to go lower, but USAA held theirs at 4.4. You have any tips that could get us into a lower APR???
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wow I like usaa. they give you money back for using your atm card. lol. ok that was a little off subject. tag I take it you are in the military.
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The number one way is good credit, if you have good credit, then you can shop around and get the best rate.

Considering that auto loan rates are tied to prime which currently is 8.25% and we don't know what prime rate is going to be 2 years from now. Currently the nationwide average is 7.50% for a 60 month loan with good credit. You can pick up a few discounts from your local bank for auto draft and having a checking account.

Our current rate at the bank I work at is 8.24% with .50% discounts for auto pay/checking account which drops it down to 7.74% Ours is higher compared to others. One of the lowest rates is Capital One, they are at 6.69% for a 60-72 month loan

Granted, some dealers have special rates from the factory, but those are for the slow selling models so don't expect a 1.9% on a Camaro. If we can get a 6.0% rate 2 years from now when interest rates have been on a steady climb, we would be doing good at 6.00%

$30,000 for 60 months @ 6.00% is $579.98 a month
$30,000 for 72 months @ 6.00% is $497.19 a month
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i think the camaro is going ot be priced about the same as the gto is now( for the v8). v6 probably around 19-25,000. i remember a couple of months ago someone form gm said that the camaro would be around the same price range as when they stopped making it in 02. and to get an ss in 02 was about 32-33,000. that seems like a reasonable price for the car
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that pisses me off when people are like that and say "bla bla bla this car is goign to be precisely 45-50k" bull$hit. it will never ever get to be more than a vette. you can buy a base model vette at 42,000 brand new. the camaro will never top that fully loaded unless it has a 427 in it maybe. that guy needs to hang himself especially since he was trying ot price a car that wasnt even decided on being made yet.............. and the big thing is that you dont even know what the car looks(exactly) like or what kind of options its going to have.
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I agree that I see a loaded V8 Camaro around $32K But if they produce a limited number of a 500 hp Camaro's, it will be at least $42K to match the Shelby Mustang (in two years expect at least a few thousand more than that), and although a very very very small number of people may get one at MSRP you know most dealers will gouge the heck out of it.
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Here is what my Credit Union offers:

VEHICLE LOANS

Automobiles, Trucks and Street Motorcycles

New (2005 - 2006) Term APR

36 Months 4.99% - 7.49%*
48 Months 5.49% - 7.99%*
60 Months 5.99% - 8.49%*
Up to 72 Months** 6.49% - 8.99%*
Up to 84 Months** 7.49% - 10.99%*

*Rates quoted are based on individual member credit history and are set during loan processing.

**$20,000 minimum amount financed

***Borrowers may be eligible for a .125 to .50 rate reduction based on Loyal Member Rewards.

****Longer amortization terms are available as follows for .25% rate increase:
120 Months for loans up to $19,000.00
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Those are pretty good rates..especially for the shorter term loans.

This is why I like USAA so much. Check out these rates.

We offer competitive fixed and variable rates1 as low as:

Annual Percentage Rate (APR)


Loan Type New Car Used Car or Refinance
Less Than $15,000 $15,000 or More

=36 Months
Fixed 5.34% 6.94% 5.34%
Variable 6.14% 7.09% 6.14%

=48 Months
Fixed 5.99% 6.94% 5.99%
Variable 6.14% 7.09% 6.14%

=60 Months
Fixed 5.99% 6.94% 5.99%
Variable 6.14% 7.09% 6.14%

=72 Months
Fixed 5.99% -- 5.99%
Variable 6.14% -- 6.14%

APRs are effective 08/08/2006

The rates displayed are special Internet rates for borrowers with good credit who apply online and select the automatic payment plan.
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we got to also remember interest rates will probably change between now and the time this car comes out.

oh and the one thing i don't like about usaa is the fact they don't have an actual branch. no way to deposit money from a check with out mailing it to them. sucks.
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i hope my credit union doesnt have a minimum of 20,000 for a loan i was planning on putting 20k down and financing the rest of the 10-15k
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