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Old 02-18-2009, 06:27 PM   #51
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I dig your optimism, but as soon as those idiots at CAFE, EPA and all those places hear "V8" they'll just go "no".
It's funny too because most V8's today get better mileage than most of the so called econoboxes of 15 years ago...

Well when he was campainging our beloved new president said he would like to see gas prices in the $8 a gallon range to curb purchase of gas guzzlers....
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:47 PM   #52
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Its OK if you cry a little i wont tell..GM High Performance Vehicle Operations closes

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Coinciding with the release of General Motors' Viability Plan, the automaker has disbanded its High Performance Vehicle Operations team, the crew responsible for the line V-series Cadillacs, the Chevrolet Cobalt SS, HHR SS and the V8 version of the Colorado. According to Vince Muniga, a spokesman for the General, "All high-performance projects are on indefinite hold. The engineers are moving into different areas of the organization, and they will work on Cadillacs, Buicks, Chevrolets and Pontiacs." Muniga went on to say that there are no plans for high-performance versions of upcoming plans, but once (if?) GM is in a better financial position, the team could be reinstated

i cried a little.

this doesn't bode well for the z/28.......unless the z/28 will be the hybrid version.....


i wonder what this does the GMPP?
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:49 PM   #53
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It's funny too because most V8's today get better mileage than most of the so called econoboxes of 15 years ago...

Well when he was campainging our beloved new president said he would like to see gas prices in the $8 a gallon range to curb purchase of gas guzzlers....
Great point and here is proof:
Honda Accord


Corvette Z06 - 505 HP and Twice the displacment as the Honda.


Torque, light-weight and aerodynamic. Its amazing what GM did!
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:49 PM   #54
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:49 PM   #55
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maybe you can merge

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13811
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:53 PM   #56
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:59 PM   #57
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My SS (If GM lasts long enough to make it) Just became more of a collectors item I think.
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On a positive note....may the value of our current hi-po factory cars will be going up sooner then expected. 15 years instead of 30
That would be my take. I would rather have the Camaro keep going, but if not...this will be a bonus for us that got ours.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:21 PM   #58
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This is what happens when you let Politics in the Door

I am sorry folks, but this one really ticks me off big time. When Washington says the Detroit three should design and build quality vehicles taht are competitive, they then push these folks over the cliff by tacitly forcing them to abandon technology development that would make them competitive with the Europeans and Pacific Rim Manufacturers.

If this is how all this will shake out, this is patenetly a slap in the face of the American consumer.

Am I mad, hell yes!
Not only at the politicians, but also at whom ever in the Corporate Tunnels made a decision like this to cave into such garbage.

What an unmitigated crock of excrement!

Once again the American Consumer gets screwed!!!

It is just like 1972 all over again!

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Old 02-18-2009, 07:22 PM   #59
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Well I think a few questions can be put to bed for a while.
No Firebird.
No Z28
No transforming Camaro.

Seriously though, I was looking forward to my SAR Camaro (Super Advanced Robot)

irpq11, I think you are right on the first two points, but I swear I saw two Camaro looking robots at the coffee station last week. I recognized the grill.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:24 PM   #60
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It must be really disappointing for the GM employees from the disbanded engineering division. I'm sure they were people that wanted those jobs because they were car performance enthusiasts and really loved what they did. IMHO, they have done some of their very best work over the past few years and seemed to be really hitting their stride.

To go from working on Corvette's and CTS's and Camaro's to who knows what they'll be doing down the road must be a real let down for them.

Hopefully there will be a time in the future where they can come together again and do what they really love.
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that sucks, especially now that toyota is launching the new iforce prius
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:30 PM   #63
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If this is just to be in line with the feds viability, then when GM gets back in the black, all those HP engineers will be back to what they do best.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:03 PM   #64
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After some time to think about it, this might be a good decision. GM is at a good place with it's performance/SS/V cars and is setup nicely until they are ready to update the Cobalt SS to the Cruze SS. It would be crazy to abandon performance in the long term there is money to be made, but it might be best if for the next year (or two at the most) these people worked on other projects.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:09 PM   #65
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Credit has killed this country - now the SS. Talk about a ripple effect!
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:15 PM   #66
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Woah Slow down now think this through...
I think it just means there will not be any development of any new High Performance cars, the ones already developed will continue because they have already been engineered.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:16 PM   #67
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i wonder what this does the GMPP?
Not a whole lot at this moment. I will hear more as this unfolds.

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Old 02-18-2009, 08:21 PM   #68
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I think this is something that was bound to happen.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:23 PM   #69
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I just thought about this. Man we really cut this down to the wire didn't we. Fbodfather said we were safe 5 months ago when all of this scary stuff started happening. Good call! I don't want to play poker with that man.
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Ok a few things.

1. It's not 15 years ago, comparisons to cars 15 years ago simply are not valid.

2. Watch your mouth about obama, without him GM would prob have gone under already. Bush and other GOP snobs driving their imports were only too happy to watch GM fail.

3. Things change every single year with cars, I wouldn't be surprised if there's no 2012 SS camaro, if not the 2011 getting scrapped too. But we don't know. No one knows. Anyone pretending to know, is full of it.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:38 PM   #71
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Ok a few things.

1. It's not 15 years ago, comparisons to cars 15 years ago simply are not valid.

2. Watch your mouth about obama, without him GM would prob have gone under already. Bush and other GOP snobs driving their imports were only too happy to watch GM fail.

3. Things change every single year with cars, I wouldn't be surprised if there's no 2012 SS camaro, if not the 2011 getting scrapped too. But we don't know. No one knows. Anyone pretending to know, is full of it.
Let's not open the discussion to politics; especially when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Bush administration rushed to approve the primary bailout in order to save GM long before Hussein took his oath.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:44 PM   #74
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but the current SS will not be affected?
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:44 PM   #75
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So much for rolling the dice by waiting until next year to get employee discount....I'm taking mine at MSRP from the first run for sure now.
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