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Old 02-18-2009, 08:16 PM   #1
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So...i guess 2012 is THE end of world...for me

Well...GM has just announced they are releasing like 44,000 people by 2012. And also closing down 14 plants down in north america (Hopefully not Oshawa)

But...the big one that hit me in da face was...they are only keeping Chevy, Buick, GMC, and Cadillac...and pontiac is prolly gonna be officially pronounced dead by the end of the year. I love my pontiac...i would rather them keep pontiac over buick...I mean...A BUICK???...what did buick do for GM that was so crazy and kickass other than the GSX (aka buick gto)....Pontiac had the original muscle with the GTO , kept things rollin in public and hollywood with the trans am , the awesome G8...whatever...i'm prolly just speakin out of fanboyism for Chief Pontiac.

2012 IS THE END OF THE WORLD
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Restructuring...People are gonna lose their jobs... Sorry, this is expected.

Plus the mayans agree with you, 2012 is supposedly the end of the world.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:20 PM   #3
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Honestly I would have bought a new TransAm before a new Camaro. Oh well, maybe someday, maybe not.
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there's a movie called 2012 about that exact thing.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:32 PM   #6
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But killing off Pontiac makes more sense because it was targted to about the same demographics as Chevy. Buick has "white hair" following (old folks).
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:35 PM   #7
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:38 PM   #8
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But killing off Pontiac makes more sense because it was targted to about the same demographics as Chevy. Buick has "white hair" following (old folks).
And Pontiac has a much larger following with the Trans Am in my opinion.. More so than the Camaro thanks to Smoky and the Bandit and Knight Rider..
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But killing off Pontiac makes more sense because it was targted to about the same demographics as Chevy. Buick has "white hair" following (old folks).
I thought that was for cadillac. BTW, is Caddy considered Tier 1 Luxury ?
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:06 PM   #11
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Don't despair.

Pontiac has some hope left...
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:14 PM   #12
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Buick is entry level luxury

Buick does not offer any cars that appeal to anyone under 35.

I think the only reason they are keepin buick is because they are makin a killin over in china with the buick brand...but then again...they also make like 8 models overseas that are not available here as a buick.

Buick is doin well in other parts of the world...like in Kuwait...its actually one of top sellin cars lol

I don't see why anyone would choose a buick over a caddy though

They are currently around the same price 2k+-

Like the Lucerne and the CTS ...CTS is 35k and Lucerne is 32k (Atleast in this comparison...you can see the cars that are similair in price)
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Buick is entry level luxury

Buick does not offer any cars that appeal to anyone under 35.

I think the only reason they are keepin buick is because they are makin a killin over in china with the buick brand...but then again...they also make like 8 models overseas that are not available here as a buick.

Buick is doin well in other parts of the world...like in Kuwait...its actually one of top sellin cars lol

I don't see why anyone would choose a buick over a caddy though

They are currently around the same price 2k+-

Like the Lucerne and the CTS ...CTS is 35k and Lucerne is 32k (Atleast in this comparison...you can see the cars that are similair in price)
Have you seen the new Buicks?

2010 LaCrosse...2011 Regal...

Simply amazing. I'm 17 years old and I want one very badly.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:01 PM   #14
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But killing off Pontiac makes more sense because it was targted to about the same demographics as Chevy. Buick has "white hair" following (old folks).
Buick also has a HUGE following in China.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:24 PM   #15
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Have you seen the new Buicks?

2010 LaCrosse...2011 Regal...

Simply amazing. I'm 17 years old and I want one very badly.
Isn't that the truth! Except i'm 22...

And i believe Pontiac may be alive with ONLY the Solstice and G8, or they will be rebadged. Yea Chevy Caprice!
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:39 PM   #16
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there's a movie called 2012 about that exact thing.
Yeah coming out in like 2010 right? So in short you guys have nothing to worry about, it will all be over soon!
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:51 PM   #17
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Also, I tend to think there's an underground reputation of Buicks for being tanks even when GM was supposedly 's&&t'. Can owe that to the 3800, but seriously think of what GM car you see the most often on the road that's over 20 years old.

Or:

Tier 1 - Cadillac/Lincoln

Tier 2 - Buick/Mercury/Chrysler
<- Wat Tier

Tier 3 - Chevrolet/Ford/Dodge

Tier Truck: GMC/Jeep
<- Profitable Fanboy Tier

And the G8? Rebadge it as the Impala. Everyone wins (that was the original 2014 plan, right?). So we have:

GM: Spark, Cruze, Malibu, Impala8, Camaro, Equinox, Traverse, Silverado

Ford: Fiesta, Focus?, Fusion, Taurus, Mustang, Edge, ExplorerXVR, F150

Dodge: Wat, Caliber, Avenger, Charger, Challenger, Journey, DurangoXVR, Ram


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Old 02-18-2009, 11:03 PM   #18
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GM has been trying to create a distinction between Caddy and Buick for the last few years. Caddy is becoming bolder, while Buick is getting classier. However, I can't figure out what the difference between a G5 and a Cobalt is, or G6 and Malibu, other than the G6 coupe is uglier and there is no hybrid on the Pontiac. Oh, and lets not forget about the upcomming G3 (aka Wave aka Aveo . . . waveo?). Pontiac no longer has a clear identity and too much overlap with Chevy on low end cars. Its the same problem that Saturn faces (sometimes with the same models)
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:28 PM   #19
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I just did some google research, and there was speculation that Mercury is on the chopping block like many of GM's brands. Thought up my chart thing again:

Tier 1 - Cadillac/Lincoln/Chrysler

Tier 2 - Chevrolet/Ford/Dodge

Wat tier/Fanboy tier get's axed (no Buick, GMC, Pontiac, Jeep.) Now RD costs drop a bit and more can be offered to the Chevy+Caddy/Dodge+Chrysler/Ford+Lincoln through retooled 'echo friendly' factories under Gov help.

Wouldn't be surprised if this was what the Government made them do.. which I actually could live with.

Chevrolet/Ford/Dodge: Microcombact, Subcompact, Compact, Midsize, Sport Coupe, MXVR, XVR, Truck
- No real changes

Caddy/Lincoln/Chrysler: Sedan; MXVR, XVR
-All RWD/AWD. All DI4/6. TT Performance types?

Work now? Input?
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:21 AM   #20
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Buick also has a HUGE following in China.
And in nursing homes all across the US.
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I read somewhere a couple years ago, can't find it now, but it said that the Buick Regal and Century (combined) were the number 1 selling car(s) in America (possibly in their class) for like 2 or 3 years. And the fact that they're like the equivalent of a Caddy overseas means they won't be getting cut any time soon. I just wish they'd keep on Pontiac as a performance division.
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I just did some google research, and there was speculation that Mercury is on the chopping block like many of GM's brands. Thought up my chart thing again:

Tier 1 - Cadillac/Lincoln/Chrysler

Tier 2 - Chevrolet/Ford/Dodge

Wat tier/Fanboy tier get's axed (no Buick, GMC, Pontiac, Jeep.) Now RD costs drop a bit and more can be offered to the Chevy+Caddy/Dodge+Chrysler/Ford+Lincoln through retooled 'echo friendly' factories under Gov help.

Wouldn't be surprised if this was what the Government made them do.. which I actually could live with.

Chevrolet/Ford/Dodge: Microcombact, Subcompact, Compact, Midsize, Sport Coupe, MXVR, XVR, Truck
- No real changes

Caddy/Lincoln/Chrysler: Sedan; MXVR, XVR
-All RWD/AWD. All DI4/6. TT Performance types?

Work now? Input?
Jeep isn't going anywhere, it is the big moneymaker for Chrysler.. that is why they are dropping the Durango and not the Cherokee...
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But...the big one that hit me in da face was...they are only keeping Chevy, Buick, GMC, and Cadillac.
GM should have done that years ago imo.
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Jeep isn't going anywhere, it is the big moneymaker for Chrysler.. that is why they are dropping the Durango and not the Cherokee...
Reason why I 'axed' them from the list was because with that I don't see how they could survive in this day and age according to what CAFE/gubment will be mandating. Now Dodge and Chrysler, they may be able to pull it off. The same goes for Caddy/Chevy and Lincoln/Ford.
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