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Old 02-18-2009, 09:49 PM   #1
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Camaro to survive GM plan

Looks like the Camaro, along with the Corvette and the other Chevy brands will survive per the GM plan submitted to the government. Hummer, Saturn, Saab and maybe even Pontiac are toast. But if you think there will be a mega-horsepower Z-28 any time soon you are dreaming! This is a matter of GM surviving, man! If the General thought the Camaro (or any other car) was a money loser, it would get the axe in a New York second!

Everybody I talk to (NOT people on this forum) that has seen a picture of this car thinks GM has hit a home run on this one. May not put the Mustang out of business, but I think this inexpensive car will help the General recover!

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Yeah but the high performance vehicles division is toast. So guess how many exciting vehicles GM will have in the future. Zip. None. Nothing. The Camaro could very well be my last GM car.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:40 PM   #3
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Yeah but the high performance vehicles division is toast. So guess how many exciting vehicles GM will have in the future. Zip. None. Nothing. The Camaro could very well be my last GM car.

SVT disbanded years ago. Look at what FORD has without SVT. This is probably more just to look good for Uncle Sam.
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Yeah but the high performance vehicles division is toast. So guess how many exciting vehicles GM will have in the future. Zip. None. Nothing. The Camaro could very well be my last GM car.
Of course, these days GM doesn't care about how high performance it is- it just wants to survive. The high performance stuff has never been the major money maker for any car maker west of Italy. Not music to the ears of people on this forum I know.

We may be in for a repeat of the 70's, when everything started being detuned after 1971- the good muscle cars were 71's and older! So get your 71 Hemicuda or 71 LS6 Corvette while you can! (SS Camaro!)

But eventually it came back!
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Last GM muscle car?

........All the more reason to buy the Camaro and hold on to it! If the auto industry is going in the direction that it is headed, "green" and cookie cutter models with no style, than our Camaros will probably be the last of the Mohicans! How cool will it be to own the last, and best generation of Camaro? I see a future where buying a V8 will incur a very, very costly tax, like the current gas guzzler tax, but much more severe. It will virtually kill the average Joe buying a V8 automobile. V8 engines will probably one day only be available to the very rich, and to those using them for business purposes, in trucks, like farmers/ranchers etc. Life in these here United States is over as we once knew and loved it folks. The "green" people are in charge now. Just look at California that wants to raise our taxes to unheard of levels, double vehicle registration fees just to balance the budget. When all California has to do is drill for oil off shore and it has access to billions of dollars of crude oil!!!!!! The government won't even consider it, they would rather tax the people than drill for oil! Revolution is coming, sooner or later we have to get rid of these clowns!
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:02 PM   #6
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Yeah but the high performance vehicles division is toast. So guess how many exciting vehicles GM will have in the future. Zip. None. Nothing. The Camaro could very well be my last GM car.
Not toast! Put on hold. When and if the economy turns around, every thing changes!
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:06 PM   #7
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........All the more reason to buy the Camaro and hold on to it! If the auto industry is going in the direction that it is headed, "green" and cookie cutter models with no style, than our Camaros will probably be the last of the Mohicans! How cool will it be to own the last, and best generation of Camaro? I see a future where buying a V8 will incur a very, very costly tax, like the current gas guzzler tax, but much more severe. It will virtually kill the average Joe buying a V8 automobile. V8 engines will probably one day only be available to the very rich, and to those using them for business purposes, in trucks, like farmers/ranchers etc. Life in these here United States is over as we once knew and loved it folks. The "green" people are in charge now. Just look at California that wants to raise our taxes to unheard of levels, double vehicle registration fees just to balance the budget. When all California has to do is drill for oil off shore and it has access to billions of dollars of crude oil!!!!!! The government won't even consider it, they would rather tax the people than drill for oil! Revolution is coming, sooner or later we have to get rid of these clowns!
That's kind of how I think cars of the 1980's were. Even the Corvettes were slow and kind of stupid!

In a perfect world..... there are electric cars and efficient hybrids that get a zillion miles to the gallon and the Persian Gulf countries have to go back to fishing and pearl diving. BUT there are still performance cars and the auto makers balance the gas guzzlers and the electrics to get a happy medium and pass the CAFE standards. America can supply its own oil needs without imports (look at Brazil!).

Wishful thinking? Yeah, probably.

Maybe my 02 Firebird will be a collector car.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:26 PM   #8
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Everybody acts like there will never be another high performance GM. These hard times will eventually pass and GM will be in the black again with the G paid off. It may take 5 years or more but there will be future performance, not right away but down the road. It's not the end of the world by any means. The current SS can survive for 5 years with minor tweaks before it needs a major boost.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:47 PM   #9
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This is only the time during the GM turmoil. Once GM gets back on its feet and becomes more successful than it ever did (hopefully) they'll bring the big V8 guns and special racing development stuff back on the table. Just be thankful the Camaro nameplate is coming back.
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We may be in for a repeat of the 70's, when everything started being detuned after 1971- the good muscle cars were 71's and older! So get your 71 Hemicuda or 71 LS6 Corvette while you can! (SS Camaro!)

But eventually it came back!
Yup. My friend owned a '74 Malibu, and when I got my '70 Cutlass he went on about how the 70s era models were dogs, how his was slow, and so on. Apparently he didn't know the detuning affected '72 and later models. I consider 1970 the pinnacle of the GM A body, but the '69 was good too.
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Ya some green guys will pass a law where you cannot sell your used V8. Hand it down to family or crush it.
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:44 AM   #12
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Looks like the Camaro, along with the Corvette and the other Chevy brands will survive per the GM plan submitted to the government. Hummer, Saturn, Saab and maybe even Pontiac are toast. But if you think there will be a mega-horsepower Z-28 any time soon you are dreaming! This is a matter of GM surviving, man! If the General thought the Camaro (or any other car) was a money loser, it would get the axe in a New York second!
Hi there, nice material.
Where do you have those Infos from?

In Germany we just get Infos about Opel

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Old 02-19-2009, 07:31 AM   #14
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GM is doing what it needs to do to survive. I applaud them. In my view, the more "green" vehicles sold, the more gasoline for us, who represent a very, very small part of the market.
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Yeah I am planning on hanging on to my SS for 15 years and then passing it on to Zac when he is 25.
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GM is doing what it needs to do to survive. I applaud them. In my view, the more "green" vehicles sold, the more gasoline for us, who represent a very, very small part of the market.
Yeah, that's the way I see it too. At least that's what I hope happens. I am tired of following big hunking SUV's that the owners drive slower than a school bus and that get terrible mileage. Those people don't need or care about horsepower. Save horsepower for those of us who will USE it!
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SVT disbanded years ago. Look at what FORD has without SVT. This is probably more just to look good for Uncle Sam.
Actually, SVT is still alive and well at Ford, just not as a separate division.
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Looks like the Camaro, along with the Corvette and the other Chevy brands will survive per the GM plan submitted to the government. Hummer, Saturn, Saab and maybe even Pontiac are toast. But if you think there will be a mega-horsepower Z-28 any time soon you are dreaming! This is a matter of GM surviving, man! If the General thought the Camaro (or any other car) was a money loser, it would get the axe in a New York second!

Everybody I talk to (NOT people on this forum) that has seen a picture of this car thinks GM has hit a home run on this one. May not put the Mustang out of business, but I think this inexpensive car will help the General recover!

Saturn has a chance!

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Saturn may survive but it's not looking good. And I agree with saving the SS's while we can. It's like spending money to save those pandas or other endangered species I feel bad knowing that in maybe just a few years, laws may be passed that make it impossible for my future kids to own a 426hp V8. But I bet we'll see some sort of grandfather clause act, where we get to keep ours and hand them down and all the SUV's with 24's, that are driven by soccer moms, and are constantly curb jumping are axed, which WILL mean more gas for us. Sorry to bash on SUV's, but most people do NOT need them and especially do not need huge rims that suck more gas. Limit V8's to performance cars and work vehicles please!
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I know it's rather selfish of me, in fact really selfish, but if the SS was canceled the day after they built mine, I don't think I'd be heartbroken at the sudden exclusivity of my car.
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I know it's rather selfish of me, in fact really selfish, but if the SS was canceled the day after they built mine, I don't think I'd be heartbroken at the sudden exclusivity of my car.
Be careful what you wish for. They may stop building them right after mine, and yours is the next one
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SVT disbanded years ago. Look at what FORD has without SVT. This is probably more just to look good for Uncle Sam.
So I guess the SVT badging on the GT500s have nothing to do with SVT then...
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So I guess the SVT badging on the GT500s have nothing to do with SVT then...
Well SVT did have something to do with the Gt500 .. (Not as much as with the 03/04 cobras though) ... I think he was trying to say that FORD has been doing just fine without the SVT name .... Chevy will do the same ..

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I bought 2,000 shares of GM @ $2.00 a share ~10mins ago. Let's go GM! I'm buying one of your cars in support and I now own some of your company! Cut the pigs that don't sell. Hang up the divisions that aren't profitable. Fire the people that don't want to work. Give the unions the middle finger if they can't compromise. When you hit the bottom it's easy to see the top!
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