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Old 03-28-2011, 11:19 PM   #1
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ZL1 VS. Hennessey

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New to the forum and I currently do not own a Camaro. My truck will be paid off around the time the ZL1 will be available. Im having a dellima about what to do when It comes time to get some Chevy muscle. Should I get an SS and have it upgraded by Hennessey or go with the new ZL1. What are the pros and cons of each and why is it so hard to come by some pricing on the Hennessy upgrade kits? Any idea on how much an HPE600 kit costs? What would be the biggest bang for my buck? A Hennessy kit or the ZL1? HELP PLEASE!!! Ready to buy in February 2012.
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For the money, I'm not sure it'll be easy to beat ZL1 for value, performance, and a complete package. Look at what we know of ZL1 from GM and compare.
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Again we say that the ZL-1 need to be released to actually compare.. the Hennessey surely is a beast and yet to find out the similarity with the ZL-1.

Right now i can only see their comparison with the appearance and accessories.
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The problem I can tell you right now is that the dealer mark up is going to be stupid crazy come Feb. Good luck finding one at sticker. I would get one if they had one at sticker but I know I will have to wait a while.
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Yeah, this is true. I guess it All depends on the price of the ZL1 when it actually comes out. Plus the ZL1 will have a better warranty then what Hennessey has to offer. I would just prefer a car in the 600 - 650 HP range. Chevy would be stupid to mark that thing up any higher than 50K base price. It would still be nice to know what a price is on a hennessey 600 or 650 package.
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Hey there,

New to the forum and I currently do not own a Camaro. My truck will be paid off around the time the ZL1 will be available. Im having a dellima about what to do when It comes time to get some Chevy muscle. Should I get an SS and have it upgraded by Hennessey or go with the new ZL1. What are the pros and cons of each and why is it so hard to come by some pricing on the Hennessy upgrade kits? Any idea on how much an HPE600 kit costs? What would be the biggest bang for my buck? A Hennessy kit or the ZL1? HELP PLEASE!!! Ready to buy in February 2012.
Thank you for the post. The ZL1 is scheduled to be released with the LSA Engine, creating around 556bhp. It will be available for order in January 2012. If you would like to have a Camaro now with the same or more HP, that is where we come into play. Our HPE550 package offers our owners 562bhp for a fraction of the price. For those who want to be more powerful than the ZL1, we also offer our HPE600 and HPE650 Packages, all of which are available for both Manual and Automatic transmissions. While none of us know all the details on the ZL1, we do know that its going to be a highly sought after vehicle and dealers will definitely try to mark them up. Hennessey Performance Packages are set in price and can be installed on to any SS Camaro, including the convertibles.

Hennessey Vehicles are recognized by the NADA Guides and carry a 3yr/36,000 mile warranty up to 600hp that is serviced by your local dealer. In short, if you want power and performance now, we have the options available. If you decide to wait on the ZL1, we will also have performance packages available for that as well!

If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to email me at james@hennesseyperformance.com. Look forward to speaking to you soon.

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Again we say that the ZL-1 need to be released to actually compare.. the Hennessey surely is a beast and yet to find out the similarity with the ZL-1.

Right now i can only see their comparison with the appearance and accessories.
Uh huh. Is it that hard to compare; at least by proxy? What's your point? Are you going to knock down ZL1 just because it's not here yet and completely disqualify it?

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The problem I can tell you right now is that the dealer mark up is going to be stupid crazy come Feb. Good luck finding one at sticker. I would get one if they had one at sticker but I know I will have to wait a while.
I bet you're right. But - if you don't want to pay mark-up - DON'T. I don't plan on it. Sure - it'll take longer and take some extra legwork, but there's no reason to let yourself get ripped off unless you want to. It's anyone's choice to pay mark-up.

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Yeah, this is true. I guess it All depends on the price of the ZL1 when it actually comes out. Plus the ZL1 will have a better warranty then what Hennessey has to offer. I would just prefer a car in the 600 - 650 HP range. Chevy would be stupid to mark that thing up any higher than 50K base price. It would still be nice to know what a price is on a hennessey 600 or 650 package.
Head on over to Hennessey's site and check out what they have to offer you Heck - give 'em a call! I'm sure they're happy to help anyone out

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Thank you for the post. The ZL1 is scheduled to be released with the LSA Engine, creating around 556bhp. It will be available for order in January 2012. If you would like to have a Camaro now with the same or more HP, that is where we come into play. Our HPE550 package offers our owners 562bhp for a fraction of the price. For those who want to be more powerful than the ZL1, we also offer our HPE600 and HPE650 Packages, all of which are available for both Manual and Automatic transmissions. While none of us know all the details on the ZL1, we do know that its going to be a highly sought after vehicle and dealers will definitely try to mark them up. Hennessey Performance Packages are set in price and can be installed on to any SS Camaro, including the convertibles.

Hennessey Vehicles are recognized by the NADA Guides and carry a 3yr/36,000 mile warranty up to 600hp that is serviced by your local dealer. In short, if you want power and performance now, we have the options available. If you decide to wait on the ZL1, we will also have performance packages available for that as well!

If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to email me at james@hennesseyperformance.com. Look forward to speaking to you soon.

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WHY??

Why wouldn't you want a Hennessey - less money, looks better, and you'll give up 40 hp and 60 lb torque with the new ZL1.

Those of you that think the ZL1 will be $50,000 are living in make-believe land. Think about it. Add wider wheels, 1/2 shafts and drive shaft to handle the hp, brakes, shocks, carbon hood, better traction control, a SUPERCHARGER....how much is a standard SS??? Take that and add just a few of the upgrades... WAY OVER $50,000.
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Why wouldn't you want a Hennessey - less money, looks better, and you'll give up 40 hp and 60 lb torque with the new ZL1.

Those of you that think the ZL1 will be $50,000 are living in make-believe land. Think about it. Add wider wheels, 1/2 shafts and drive shaft to handle the hp, brakes, shocks, carbon hood, better traction control, a SUPERCHARGER....how much is a standard SS??? Take that and add just a few of the upgrades... WAY OVER $50,000.
Perhaps you can share the source(s) for your information and support your claims...

Make no mistake that I think the Hennessey cars certainly deserve the highest respect. There are those people, though, that want a car with more history and has ties to the some of the best days of muscle and pony cars.
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Hey there,

New to the forum and I currently do not own a Camaro. My truck will be paid off around the time the ZL1 will be available. Im having a dellima about what to do when It comes time to get some Chevy muscle. Should I get an SS and have it upgraded by Hennessey or go with the new ZL1. What are the pros and cons of each and why is it so hard to come by some pricing on the Hennessy upgrade kits? Any idea on how much an HPE600 kit costs? What would be the biggest bang for my buck? A Hennessy kit or the ZL1? HELP PLEASE!!! Ready to buy in February 2012.
There is a lot to consider...you can certainly buy a 2SS and modify it enough to eat the lunch of the ZL1 (as currently advertised) and probably about the same money.

Example: Camaro 2SS -------------------------36K
Stroker/blower with cam, clutch,fuel--20K
Suspension/drivetrain upgrades------- 7K
Wheels----------------------------- 5K

The downside of this is that there is very little resell for your mods, no warranty.

Hennessey--you will get some resell value but very narrow market for buyers (especially after the ZL1). Cost is more if you want the clutch, suspension wheels and drivetrain upgrades---and trust me...you will!

With the ZL1 you get stock upgraded suspension/drivetrain/wheels, modest supercharger with decent power (roughly 470hp to the wheels) and a warranty at a fair price...and will resale as a ZL1

I would have condsidered the ZL1 if they would have forged the internals, put a bigger supercharger on it...still for a production car it still blows the SS away....and folks will mod this car too...probably including Hennessey
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Why not combine the solution in to a ZL1 HPE 750 package?
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There is a lot to consider...you can certainly buy a 2SS and modify it enough to eat the lunch of the ZL1 (as currently advertised) and probably about the same money.

Example: Camaro 2SS -------------------------36K
Stroker/blower with cam, clutch,fuel--20K
Suspension/drivetrain upgrades------- 7K
Wheels----------------------------- 5K

The downside of this is that there is very little resell for your mods, no warranty.

Hennessey--you will get some resell value but very narrow market for buyers (especially after the ZL1). Cost is more if you want the clutch, suspension wheels and drivetrain upgrades---and trust me...you will!

With the ZL1 you get stock upgraded suspension/drivetrain/wheels, modest supercharger with decent power (roughly 470hp to the wheels) and a warranty at a fair price...and will resale as a ZL1

I would have condsidered the ZL1 if they would have forged the internals, put a bigger supercharger on it...still for a production car it still blows the SS away....and folk will mod this car too...
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Why not combine the solution in to a ZL1 HPE 750 package?
Now we're getting somewhere
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Slightly off topic but I bet that folks that modify muscle cars for a living have increased their yearly profits 400% or more since the Camaro came out. Not only are the Chevy guys beating down the doors...the Ford guys are scrambling back looking for more power...these are great times for all that love and work on and make parts for muscle cars! Wives of car enthusists...not so much
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Slightly off topic but I bet that folks that modify muscle cars for a living have increased their yearly profits 400% or more since the Camaro came out. Not only are the Chevy guys beating down the doors...the Ford guys are scrambling back looking for more power...these are great times for all that love and work on and make parts for muscle cars! Wives of car enthusists...not so much

I dunno my wife is as excitited about me purchasing ZL1 as much as I am.
We have both discussed the color and cosmetic changes that we would
like to do. As far as her driving it, she's terrified to even test drive an SS. She has her eye on a Audi TT as her next car, there pretty nice with thier
four wheel drive and light wieght chasis. If she figure's out if it can be turbo charged I'm in trouble.
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Now we're getting somewhere
We already have the products to make this happen up to 700hp!
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We already have the products to make this happen up to 700hp!

First I wanta thank you and all the other companies who make aftermarket
upgrades for the buyers of these cars to enjoy. I know its how you make
your livings and pay your bills, but without your contributions the ZL1 may not have been produced at all. With the R & D invested and the after market sales over the past couple of years, I believe this wieghed heavily with the GM powers to be to produce this car.

I look foward to seeing what you will be offering for the ZL1 after its been
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Why not combine the solution in to a ZL1 HPE 750 package?

I agree wholeheartedly.

IMHO, this beast should have forged internals to begin with, but this is something that can be rectified.

Now that I know about the suspension on the ZL1, I think that will be a necessity.

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I say Hennessy is the better choice for all A6 drivers as Chevy basically gave us the middle finger
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Why do you say that? I hate to point out that you are the one that bought it...anyway a great-looking 312 hp 6 banger is pretty impressive! It's the aftermarket folks giving ya the finger...most of the performance products are for the 8 cylinder.
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There is a lot to consider...you can certainly buy a 2SS and modify it enough to eat the lunch of the ZL1 (as currently advertised) and probably about the same money.

Example: Camaro 2SS -------------------------36K
Stroker/blower with cam, clutch,fuel--20K
Suspension/drivetrain upgrades------- 7K
Wheels----------------------------- 5K

The downside of this is that there is very little resell for your mods, no warranty.

Hennessey--you will get some resell value but very narrow market for buyers (especially after the ZL1). Cost is more if you want the clutch, suspension wheels and drivetrain upgrades---and trust me...you will!

With the ZL1 you get stock upgraded suspension/drivetrain/wheels, modest supercharger with decent power (roughly 470hp to the wheels) and a warranty at a fair price...and will resale as a ZL1

I would have condsidered the ZL1 if they would have forged the internals, put a bigger supercharger on it...still for a production car it still blows the SS away....and folks will mod this car too...probably including Hennessey
I see what you are saying but an SS MSRP is 34 and I dont know what kind of clutch and blower would run you 20k and then 5 grand into rims. You must have some good taste. I wouldnt do rims and you can get a blower installed for about 7 and and a clutch for probably less than a thousand
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Why wouldn't you want a Hennessey - less money, looks better, and you'll give up 40 hp and 60 lb torque with the new ZL1.

Those of you that think the ZL1 will be $50,000 are living in make-believe land. Think about it. Add wider wheels, 1/2 shafts and drive shaft to handle the hp, brakes, shocks, carbon hood, better traction control, a SUPERCHARGER....how much is a standard SS??? Take that and add just a few of the upgrades... WAY OVER $50,000.

Dont know how you can say that when the car hasnt come out. But if you take a 2ss At 34 grand add a charger for 5 grand that leaves you 10 grand for wheels, suspension and hood, which is about where everybody says this thing is going to land. You have remember this is mass produced and things like blowers and hoods are bought in bulk it doesnt cost the factory as much to produce.


I would like to know what Hennessey Charges for each package as well.
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Why do you say that? I hate to point out that you are the one that bought it...anyway a great-looking 312 hp 6 banger is pretty impressive! It's the aftermarket folks giving ya the finger...most of the performance products are for the 8 cylinder.
I believe the OP is saying that because GM isn't offerring an automatic ZL1 at this point, that he's displeased I don't believe he means the LLT cars.
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Hennessey Vehicles are recognized by the NADA Guides and carry a 3yr/36,000 mile warranty up to 600hp that is serviced by your local dealer. In short, if you want power and performance now, we have the options available. If you decide to wait on the ZL1, we will also have performance packages available for that as well!


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Now for the big question... Do you think the modifications planned for the ZL1 would be put in the same catagory as your custom built cars and retain or gain your warranty offered?

Now that would be a sweet combo...
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I see what you are saying but an SS MSRP is 34 and I dont know what kind of clutch and blower would run you 20k and then 5 grand into rims. You must have some good taste. I wouldnt do rims and you can get a blower installed for about 7 and and a clutch for probably less than a thousand

dont forget to add the cost of install from the aftermarket company. unless you did all the work yourself. the parts may only cost XXX amount, but the labor costs need to be addressed as well when making this comparison
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