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Old 02-21-2009, 05:09 PM   #1
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What are your views on this, plz read




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  1. The UAW can kiss my Ass, If I was CEO of GM/Chrysler the first thing on my list to conserve cash would be to cut wages of the UAW

  2. Another thing, he's right about "Fair Trade" and no "Free Trade"..... One cannot compete against a undercutting slave labor, lead filling (additional low blows to imports) producing company that is in another country! And quality isn't an issue! It's wages!

Plz guys, this is an interesting conversation I would like to have- little to no politics at all !!!
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:56 PM   #2
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Oh..my god. That was awesome. Totally gone off topic, but awesome.

He does have a point though, it is getting to be a race for resources in the form of wages around the world. Military strategists say that natural resources cause wars.. now it seems Joe Public is going to go to war with Xing Chou over that paycheck rather than Obama and Jintao over oil.

Kinda freaky..
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That mayor was on fire! Pretty cool that Fox allowed him to tirade like that.

That being said, I don't really agree with him on many of his points...though there were some that made me go "hmmm". Very well spoken arguments, even though he was obviously upset.
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This guy is a total idiot. He does not have a grip on reality. He states that Americans should not have to compete against other countries, and should not have to settle for the lower wages and benefits. Wake up jerk - reality is you will have too! What - do you want to compete against people from Mars instead? On this next issue I have stayed silent and no longer can. I too share the opinion that the UAW is just as insane as this guy. At one time they were needed, but no longer. The free market and competition offer competitive pay. Government agencies manage safety and how pensions are managed. All the UAW does now is push the car manufacturers into agreements that cause the high cost per employee we are now seeing, which ultimately bring them down. We have seen that it is not the per hour cost that is the problem but the added cost for all the unrealistic programs, like having to pay employees to set in a room when their service is no longer needed. And another thing - let them hold out and not become part of the solution by conceding benefits costs, and instead continue to be the source of the problem until GM files chapter 11. Nothing wakes you up to the reality of not having a job like loosing a job! Especially when you could have done something to keep you in that job.

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As much as you think your opinion is unbiased, id bet a few of you would think differently if it was YOUR paycheck that was being reduced.
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Virg always goes crazy when he gets on news. Much of what he says is correct though, at least in regard to the double standards between wall street and the automakers. And there's that awful $70/hr number again. I wish someone would clear that number up. It is NOT what people make an hour at GM.
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You can't have this discussion without political opinions. In light of this, I recommend killing this issue.

Since that may not happen, I'll provide some political analysis of the situation. The UAW is protecting its own. It is banking on GM and Chrysler survival. Without them, they do not exist. Without them, Obama's early presidency is in shambles. They have to survive, so the UAW is making demands.

Obama has to save GM. In order to maintain the support of the left wing of the Democrats as well as the representatives who are so eager to vote with him, Obama has to stick to his running agenda, which includes green vehicles, a surviving domestic auto market, and a lot of government spending. You don't have to like any of this, but this is what the federal government is working to have happen. If this all sorts out, then we will have electric Corvettes crushing Tesla Roadsters in 10 years or less, which would be kind of cool.

It's worth pointing out that Fox is the least credible of any of the major news sources, followed closely by CNN.
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But why does UAW exist at all, can't they make the cars in america only, or is that to costly

^ To gator ...Seriously If they really care about the survival and success of GM/Chrysler, they would of took the cut no questions asked.... I read over half of them making $70 dollars an hour with only H.S. diplomas living in $400,000 homes, they make me sick ....
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lol I agree and disagree on alot of what the mayor guy said..


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But why does UAW exist at all, can't they make the cars in america only, or is that to costly

^ To gator ...Seriously If they really care about the survival and success of GM/Chrysler, they would of took the cut no questions asked.... I read over half of them making $70 dollars an hour with only H.S. diplomas living in $400,000 homes, they make me sick ....
Would you PLEASE take a moment to understand where the $70/hr figure comes from? I'm not going to rehash it here, but I suggest taking a look through this thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13812 before you assume guys are seeing $70/hr on their paychecks. I agree the union has GM by the balls so to speak, but the factory workers are not making anywhere near that number.
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But why does UAW exist at all, can't they make the cars in america only, or is that to costly
yes, it is too expensive and a logistical nightmare as well. And some countries have laws that say if you sell more than XXXXX units, you have to build some cars there as well.

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^ To gator ...Seriously If they really care about the survival and success of GM/Chrysler, they would of took the cut no questions asked.... Iread over half of them making $70 dollars an hour with only H.S. diplomas living in $400,000 homes, they make me sick ....
How is it that so few people actually listen to this:

ASSEMBLY LINE WORKERS DO NOT MAKE $70 AN HOUR

that number is the total labour cost which includes hourly pay, benefits, and retiree pension and benefits. Line workers make between $14 and $28 +benefits -union fees. Benefits and pension contributions add $25/hr or so. Retirees add roughly $20/hr to the cost of every hourly employee. So the solution is painfully obvious: get rid of the health care plan and fall back onto the awsome universal health care system that . . . oh wait, nevermind. And tell all the retirees that after putting in 35 years of work into a company, they aren't going to be getting their pension cheques. And every hourly worker should get $10/hr. That would save GM billions every month. Then again, nobody could afford to buy a new car off that. Oh well. Thats what they get for working for a company who agreed to share its sucess with its workers 70 years ago.

The basics for the agreements with the UAW are older than most of the members here, including myself. The UAW itself is older than nearly everyone in the auto industry, certainly older than any of their careers. And the reality is, it will be very difficult to make any quick cost reductions. The VEBA agreement was signed in 2007 and comes into effect in 2010.

On fair trade vs free trade, f*** free trade. Mirror the trade policies of trade partners. If they leave their market open, open up to them. But if they make it difficult, find someone more co-operative. This is the macro economics that government should be working on, not asking "who wants a bailout . . . ". And do something to get consumers spending, because consumers spending = corporate revenue = a stop to the hemorrhaging of job loss. If someone is worried about losing their job, they won't be buying a new car.

I don't even know if all that makes sense anymore. I've re-written it so many times in the last half hour I can't think straight.
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DGthe3, you did an outstanding job in your writeup. I'd challenge the members here to take an up close and personal look at their real cost to their employer. Your vacation time, holidays, insurances, ect... you might be surprised to find that the auto workers package isn't as wealthy to the individual as it seems.
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My views:
  1. The UAW can kiss my Ass, If I was CEO of GM/Chrysler the first thing on my list to conserve cash would be to cut wages of the UAW

  2. Another thing, he's right about "Fair Trade" and no "Free Trade"..... One cannot compete against a undercutting slave labor, lead filling (additional low blows to imports) producing company that is in another country! And quality isn't an issue! It's wages!

Plz guys, this is an interesting conversation I would like to have- little to no politics at all !!!
If you want to keep politics out of it It would help if you looked up the definition of politics before you ask for opinions on a political question. Not to be a smartass but your question is about politics, you are asking for political answers.
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This guy is a total idiot. He does not have a grip on reality. He states that Americans should not have to compete against other countries, and should not have to settle for the lower wages and benefits. Wake up jerk - reality is you will have too! What - do you want to compete against people from Mars instead? On this next issue I have stayed silent and no longer can. I too share the opinion that the UAW is just as insane as this guy. At one time they were needed, but no longer. The free market and competition offer competitive pay. Government agencies manage safety and how pensions are managed. All the UAW does now is push the car manufacturers into agreements that cause the high cost per employee we are now seeing, which ultimately bring them down. We have seen that it is not the per hour cost that is the problem but the added cost for all the unrealistic programs, like having to pay employees to set in a room when their service is no longer needed. And another thing - let them hold out and not become part of the solution by conceding benefits costs, and instead continue to be the source of the problem until GM files chapter 11. Nothing wakes you up to the reality of not having a job like loosing a job! Especially when you could have done something to keep you in that job.

My scream is complete for now - thank you.
I'm sorry your being a little vague, most of our manufacturing has gone to China, do you really want to work for the wages chinese workers make? Thats an average $0 .22 per hour (twenty two cents per hour or $ 16.13 for a 70 hour work week). In order to compete with this, we all have to agree to work for twenty one cents an hour, no thanks. Also, when management screws up in China they don't get golden parachutes or bonuses, the Chinese government puts them to death. I could agree to that.
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.......And do something to get consumers spending, because consumers spending = corporate revenue = a stop to the hemorrhaging of job loss. If someone is worried about losing their job, they won't be buying a new car.
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During the oil price spike many products doubled and even tripled in price...T-post, yr 2000- $1.25 ea. today, over $5 bucks. Barbed wire, yr 2000- $24 bucks. Today hovering over $60.

The above is only a small sample of how companies are cutting their own throats by being greedy. My old fence is fine for now thankyouverymuch.
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But why does UAW exist at all, can't they make the cars in america only, or is that to costly

^ To gator ...Seriously If they really care about the survival and success of GM/Chrysler, they would of took the cut no questions asked.... I read over half of them making $70 dollars an hour with only H.S. diplomas living in $400,000 homes, they make me sick ....

You make me sick.






Go ahead and read DGthe3's reply because i don't have the patience to reply to this.
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Go ahead and read DGthe3's reply because i don't have the patience to reply to this.

ok ok ok ... so I was wrong you don't have to be mean, but the UAW still needs a pay cut, the extortion has to stop
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ok ok ok ... so I was wrong you don't have to be mean, but the UAW still needs a pay cut, the extortion has to stop
Sorry that was over the top.


i agree somebody has to start taking pay cuts... the executives who make more money than they could ever spend are my vote.



AND I'm a Republican. So thats saying something.
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i agree somebody has to start taking pay cuts... the executives who make more money than they could ever spend are my vote.



AND I'm a Republican. So thats saying something.
Wag's working for a dollar a year. The exec's took a 40% pay cut recently. What really needs to happen is a swift handling of the legacy healthcare provided for the retirees. Thats whats bringing them down. I'd be interested to see the current salaried workforce total salary cost, vs the cost of retirees. I have a feeling the retired cost actually outweighs the current workforce cost.
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Wag's working for a dollar a year. The exec's took a 40% pay cut recently. What really needs to happen is a swift handling of the legacy healthcare provided for the retirees. Thats whats bringing them down. I'd be interested to see the current salaried workforce total salary cost, vs the cost of retirees. I have a feeling the retired cost actually outweighs the current workforce cost.
one man taking a sallary cut isnt enough... even though im sure it would be the same as 1000 blue collar jobs
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your right. So far every single GM salaried employee has taken a 3-7% cut since the beginning of the year. They've also taken about a 10% cut since benefits were at its peak, so you're looking at about an average of 15% cut since about 2006. Sure, they could take more, but I don't think that's where the real problem is. Nevertheless, I'm sure the gov't will force GM to cut salaries another 10-20%.
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your right. So far every single GM salaried employee has taken a 3-7% cut since the beginning of the year. They've also taken about a 10% cut since benefits were at its peak, so you're looking at about an average of 15% cut since about 2006. Sure, they could take more, but I don't think that's where the real problem is. Nevertheless, I'm sure the gov't will force GM to cut salaries another 10-20%.

First off, proof? and assuming you can back that up, thats a step in the right direction. a step.


Second, is this just GM or is this a Big 3 thing?
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First off, proof? and assuming you can back that up, thats a step in the right direction. a step.


Second, is this just GM or is this a Big 3 thing?
GM thing as far as I know. I don't know if Chrysler releases their salaries.

I apologize, the 40% is actually 10%, I heard the numbers incorrectly. Nevertheless, here's an article:

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About 3,400 of GM’s 29,500 U.S. salaried workers will be dismissed by May 1, the Detroit-based automaker said in a statement. U.S. salaries will be cut temporarily by 10 percent for executives and by 3 percent to 7 percent for most others. GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner, who already sliced his annual salary to $1, is reviewing salaries and benefits abroad.

“This is a dramatic step -- it shows they are turning a corner” in their restructuring plan, said Gary Chaison, a labor relations professor at Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts. “It gives GM tremendous leverage in talking to bondholders and the unions about their own cuts.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a584sX_99TF8

In terms of the additional salary/benefit cuts, I could try to look through and find an article on it, but I know personally from my father discussing it with me. His heathcare coverage has changed, his fees for things like company cars have increased (they are not free for employees), and the 401k matching has dried up.


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10% for unclassified (executives); 7% for Levels 8 and 9 (managers, technical fellows, other senior folks); 3% for Level 7 and below. Levels 8 and 9 and unclassified enjoy the use of company vehicles.
So "executives" isn't exactly the most descriptive. There are many unclassifieds at GM, not just a few elite VP's or something. This is quite a widespread cut.
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Wiring harnesses made in Mexico

When is saw the "Made in Mexico" lable on the engine wiring harness of the
Camaro the first thought that came to mind is.
I wonder if the workers assembling these harnesses enjoy the same standard
of live as we do?
I wonder if any of these worker can even afford to purchase these cars?

After the race to the bottom that Mayor Bernero talks about is all over and
we are all recieving the same wages as Mexico or China. Or, after all of our
jobs have been out-sourced to countries like these.
Who will be left that call afford to purchase any of the goods?
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