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Old 07-09-2009, 06:50 PM   #1
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400 rw hp Turbo Kit for V6 - Anyone Interested?

We are considering offering a bolt-on single turbo system capable of delivering 400 rw hp on 93 octane pump gas.

This is not a solicitation to sell these kits or take orders. However, if I were to answer the question on price, I would say that we would target to sell the kit for under $6,000.

We are simply trying to see how much interest there would be for something like this. I am sure there are going to be a lot of questions and suggestions. I appologize in advance if I am not able to respond to everyone, but I will try to answer as much as I can.

One of the first questions is, why single and not twin? Answer: Cost. We can make the power with a single turbo and keep the cost down.
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Old 07-09-2009, 06:57 PM   #2
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$6k on top of a v6 (non-LS) will get you within $500-$1k of the price of an SS...To sell these, I think you'll have to make that gap a little bit bigger.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:02 PM   #3
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i say offer it, a lot of people will buy the V6 and then one day will want something more, so a drop in would be the best option, not everyone has $34000 to put down all at once. They might be able to afford the V6 and then the parts later on. Sounds like a great package. If i were you, id offer a TT as well eventually, for those who are willing to do it. Or a supercharger? any performance parts are needed as of now!
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:02 PM   #4
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I would actually be very interested. But I'm still skeptical on the single..how much more would a twin cost?
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:16 PM   #5
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I would actually be very interested. But I'm still skeptical on the single..how much more would a twin cost?
almost double (as far as production costs go). you'd have 2 turbos, 2 waste gates, significantly more piping, 2 custom manifolds instead of 1, 2 air filters...

see where this is going?
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:19 PM   #6
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I would rather have a turbo than a SC and under 6k, hell of a deal!
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:55 PM   #7
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I would love it. I'm one of those guys who could only afford a V6 as of now but after a few years would love to turbo it to gain more power. Please produce!
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I would love it. I'm one of those guys who could only afford a V6 as of now but after a few years would love to turbo it to gain more power. Please produce!
you could do like i am with the truck - drop a V8 in it, much cheaper than FI... but then again, i already have the same suspension, brakes, & all the same as a V8 - not exactly the same story with the camaro
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:11 PM   #9
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$6k on top of a v6 (non-LS) will get you within $500-$1k of the price of an SS...To sell these, I think you'll have to make that gap a little bit bigger.
To achieve 400rwhp on the SS cars, you'll need headers and a tune - figure a grand easy on top of the purchase price on the car.

400rwhp in a car that weighs 200lbs less and retains it's driving manors while off boost is lots of fun.


I'm assuming 6K is for the shop-install and tune. I worry far more about the 6L50 transmission than I do the engine.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:27 PM   #10
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To achieve 400rwhp on the SS cars, you'll need headers and a tune - figure a grand easy on top of the purchase price on the car.

400rwhp in a car that weighs 200lbs less and retains it's driving manors while off boost is lots of fun.


I'm assuming 6K is for the shop-install and tune. I worry far more about the 6L50 transmission than I do the engine.
the difference is 100 lbs. and adding a turbo will that shrink that weight difference even more.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:30 PM   #11
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the difference is 100 lbs. and adding a turbo will that shrink that weight difference even more.
While a single will add a bit of weight on the nose, there more than 100lbs difference between the 6's and 8's. The race weight of most SS's is right around the 2 ton mark from early reports...(ouch!) Either way you slice it... this entire platform are filled with piggies. Never thought I'd find a car that made my 3000GT's seem light by comparison LOL.

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Old 07-09-2009, 08:30 PM   #12
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Well im looking for the SC..I think the turbos sound kinda funny to many..Anyways i feel if u had a 45 to 55 range it would perk my intrest if i was a turbo person...
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:05 PM   #13
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I would be in for the single turbo if I had the money which I will soon.
And ya does the 6000k include install and tune?
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:08 PM   #14
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there is no doubt about it am going to get a turbo. i would want a twin though.....depending on the pricing.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:19 PM   #15
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I would be interested. What turbo are you speaking about?
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:01 PM   #16
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I would be interested down the road.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:40 PM   #17
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Very interested... but like a few have stated already, that interest is years away lol.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:57 PM   #18
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Interested but i'd really like to see a roots sc kit!
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:21 AM   #19
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I'm not a turbo expert but I've read enough car magazines over the last 20 years to know your company would make a great product. Yes, 6K could be spent initially by purchasing a SS, but we're talking about a 21st century sports car with a fantastic motor. 400HP at the wheels with this engine and your system? I'd certainly be interested if/when you market it.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:27 AM   #20
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$6k on top of a v6 (non-LS) will get you within $500-$1k of the price of an SS...To sell these, I think you'll have to make that gap a little bit bigger.
The way I see it, even if the kit's price puts the V6 at the same price of the SS, it will still be better.

Only the 6M LS3 is putting numbers *near* the 400's in stock form (and it's mostly 350-380). But to reach it you will need a tune and some form of intake or exhaust mod (headers, catback) which further increases the price range. The 6A are sporting 310 to 335 (one member here even had a 295 for one of the runs which is really low; he's suffering from one of those "slow l99" problems, but still) I see nothing wrong with a V6 putting 400rwhp for the same price (even better if it's less).

It's a win-win situation! Off the boost it's the same mannered V6 (which is no slouch either!) with great MPG. On the boost, it will beat the SS (this is an assumption on my part...but higher HP, lower weight, and turbo’s are usually associated with gobs of torque). I’m thinking about a stage 3 cobalt SS turbocharged (Yes I know it's a 4 cyl, but it still making absurd HP/TQ for very little $$$ - more than an L99 and that's a LOT) and the past GNX and drooling at the results and potential in this V6.

Once you have the kit, further power upgrades are just about increasing the boost and fuel requirements (the bottom end is already forged no?) And this motor already has all the good goodies from the factory.

Only thing missing will be the suspension upgrades, but people interested in higher levels of power might just skip the SS drive train specs and go beyond. The only thing keeping me on this V6 vs V8 debate for which car I'll buy is that I really want to have the best of both worlds (and to me that's all the benefits of the 6 with the power of the 8) but there are no FI kits in the horizon yet (nor tuning) available. If there was I would buy the V6 in a heartbeat as I would know there will be upgrades for further modifications down the road.

Bottom line: Looks (the V6 looks better w/o the fake ram air sorry), more power, same luxury, and a better price? What's there not to like? If you make it, people will buy it. There will also be more V6 cars than V8 cars; which is always a good thing as there are more potential buyers!
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:20 AM   #21
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I'd be interested, as long as it boosts fuel economy too. Efficiency is one of the big draws of the V6 Camaros - it's an edge that I wouldn't want to lose, especially with the switch to more expensive 93 octane fuel.
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I'd be interested, as long as it boosts fuel economy too. Efficiency is one of the big draws of the V6 Camaros - it's an edge that I wouldn't want to lose, especially with the switch to more expensive 93 octane fuel.
forced induction will require to something like 91 rather than the old 87. i fill up my cobalt with 93 every time. it wont break the bank
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For near $6K and using 93 octane, not sure it would be real popular. A Nitrous kit for less than $1000 is already available and delivers as much as 100 more HP (as little as 50 as well).
One reason I chose the V6 was not to get locked into a 93 octane need at the pump each time. I may be a small portion of the V6 owners, but then again, may not.

Having said that, everyone wants to see as many options for the V6 as they can find, but from your perspective, not sure you'd get a worthy return on your investment.

I also don't see many mods like this being real popular as long as the cars are as new as they are - in warranty. A turbo would likely void any warranty.
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For near $6K and using 93 octane, not sure it would be real popular. A Nitrous kit for less than $1000 is already available and delivers as much as 100 more HP (as little as 50 as well).
One does not typically compare a turbo application with nitrous... completely different animals.

N2O is for those who want a dedicated condition of use (ie: on the drag strip). The power derived from it is not available at all times, nor is it feasable to try and make it so from a logistical standpoint.

Turbo's are for those who are looking for a much broader usage condition, such as daily driving, road courses, etc. etc. The cost for this power-on-demand is a much higher cost for all the mechanical and tuning bits required.

If weekend trips to the strip are all folks are doing, then get a nitrous kit and be done with it. N2O is great shit

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One reason I chose the V6 was not to get locked into a 93 octane need at the pump each time. I may be a small portion of the V6 owners, but then again, may not.
Methanol injection solves this problem. Under vacuum conditions having the increased static octane of 93 is pretty much wasted. You could easily add a meth system in with progressive capabilities that are only inacted when the car is under (boost) load. Seeing how much turbo apps are going to be WOT pulls from time to time on the street, and at relativly low boost levels, this would be an excellent solution. Meth is cheap, reliable, and with the amount of electronics out now -- pretty much idiot proof.

Until we have knock numbers of 89 octane under progressive positive boost conditions (or how much the stock ECU will pull timing), it's hard to make that call.

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Having said that, everyone wants to see as many options for the V6 as they can find, but from your perspective, not sure you'd get a worthy return on your investment.

I also don't see many mods like this being real popular as long as the cars are as new as they are - in warranty. A turbo would likely void any warranty.
I want to see folks find the limits of the stock transmissions before I even lay out an engine plan Power means zip if you can't deliver it to the ground.
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:49 AM   #25
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I am sure that $6000 will be the price for the kit not including the install. There are single turbo kits out for many cars (not including cheap cars like Honda, Eclipses, and other small cars) that are from 5000-8,000 for the kits alone.
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