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Old 08-16-2007, 02:56 AM   #1
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Check out what a little Meguiars Scratch X can do for your car.

Tuesday morning, I went over to a buds house for some 101 lessons on removing scratches from your paint.

Basically, I've had more and more scratches show up over the last year that I could not tell you how I've gotten. It looked like someone set down a box on the back rear of the spoiler and BAM...there were about 9 vertical scratches and one horizontal. All over, more scratches in the clear coat that when washed and dried, stand out like a sore thumb. It's been getting on my nerves.

I've used the Mothers Stage 1 polish, Stage 2 shine, and a coat of wax. But, it just doesn't get rid of all the scratches or all swirls. So, I called my bud who restores old trucks. We used various sandpapers on the clear coat cutting down a bunch of scratches making the beautiful black paint very cloudy looking. We hit it with some rough compound, then the stage 1, 2 and wax. I stayed up from 12:30am to 4am yesterday morning doing the hood and trunk. I used Meguiars Scratch X for a basic swirl removal on the hood by hand...applying and removing. I used Mothers Stage 1 w/ the orbital buffer, and then Stage 2 also w/ the orbital. I then applied the Meguiars Gold Class caranuba wax by hand and removed it by hand, polishing it w/ a terry cloth on the orbital once the wax was removed. I did this very, very lightly.

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Before and after on the spoiler. There were some pretty good scratches here. You can see the swirl marks in the clear coat in the first two.
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And the beginning of the process here....

Notice the swirl marks and crap all over the hood. Yes...it was washed and clean.
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Right after the Meguiars on the first 3 and during the final wax process for the last two pix...
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The first three are kind of far back to where you can't get much detail in the paint. But look at the last picture. This is the picture that says it all. It is the same angle that you see from the other before picutres. Meguiars did one heck of a job for me on this one. I must say this has seriously impressed me!!!
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And yeah...my camera got some spots in the lens somehow. You can notice it the best in post 3, pic #4.
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Damn. Next time you're in Virginia I need you to do that to my truck!
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The car looks great Tag...maybe use a little of that Meguiars on your camera lens....lol.....

I miss my days of working in the detail shops where my cars would always be clean, waxed, and scratch free.
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Looks great. What orbital do you use? My Jeep is black and man those tiny marks bug me to death. Need to someday try this myself.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:55 AM   #10
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Thanks, guys. I woke up early and finished the caranuba on the entire rear bumper, back quarters, and the front quarters this am....not like it's going to really make a difference seeing as though it's raining due to tropical depression Erin... Where the hell did this come from??!!??

I just saw that you can see the black tube of Meguiars on my windshield wiper from the garage before pix.

Something I also wanted to mention was some stuff called Back to Black . I have heard of it before, but never have used it. Well, we used it on all the hard, black plastic on the wipers, the window trim, the t-top trim, and other hard/soft black plastic. I was, to say the least, amazed at how it returned the parts to their original gloss black shine. I was told that it should only last about a week:( , but I can't tell you all how much it was worth it. It looked like it should have when it was driven off the showroom floor. I didn't realize how bad it had gotten until we hit it.:eek:

As far as the spots on the camera, yeah...it's been driving me crazy. It's a very nice digital Kodak that was dropped a while back. The outer housing is loose and maybe I got some condensation in there causing the spots. But, they have been there for years. Maybe if I have a few minutes today, I'll drop it off at the shop. Hope so...but thanks again, everyone.

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I use a 10" Ryobi orbital buffer. I have about 10 of the applicator bonnets and 10 buffer bonnets. I use all of them and sometimes have to wash them to continue.

For those little swirl marks, use the Scratch X. It's a light abrasive, but I'd do it by hand. Rub it in good until you almost rubbed it off and then let it dry. Use a microfiber cloth for that and another clean microfiber for removal. I used the orbital for stage 1 and 2 but changed out those pads quickly.

If your scratches are deeper than just a very minor clearcoat issue, then you might want to look into a rough, heavier compound and maybe even wet 800 grit sandpaper. Start w/ the rubbing compound by hand first and see how that goes. I've wanted to learn how to do this sandpaper bit for a long time now and I've finally got it.
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That's great!! What a difference!

Questions:

Does that stuff work for other colors, too?

So the basic idea is that this scratch X is a mild abrasive, that "smears" the existing paint over the scratches? Do you have to re-apply a clear coat? Or was that the waxing you did?

Sorry if these questions sound noob-ish - I've never done any detailing...ever.


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Disregard...all of the questions.. I mis-read the post This scratch X has nothing to do with paint, it's for the clear-coat...dumb, me.

Again - awesome-looking car!
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That's great!! What a difference!

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Does that stuff work for other colors, too?
It sure does. It's for the clear coat that gets very mild scratches in it.
So the basic idea is that this scratch X is a mild abrasive, that "smears" the existing paint over the scratches? Do you have to re-apply a clear coat? Or was that the waxing you did?

Sorry if these questions sound noob-ish - I've never done any detailing...ever.


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Disregard...all of the questions.. I mis-read the post This scratch X has nothing to do with paint, it's for the clear-coat...dumb, me.
You bet...all for the clear coat.
Again - awesome-looking car!
When you wash your car, the mit you use might have dirt in it. Rubbing the mit on the car can leave very mild scratches on your car. When drying, the same can happen. Little scratches show their ugly faces and really get on my nerves. The scratch gets in the clear coat leaving a minute ridge and valley (if you will). Using the scratch X will cut down the ridges and take down a very, very thin layer of clear coat. That will make the valley less deep, in a sense. Then, you do your other layers and the wax fills it in. The scratch will almost not be noticable.
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Oh man Tag, be careful with that sandpaper....if you don't really know what you're doing, you will screw up the paint beyond simple buff/polish/wax repair.

Wet sanding helps a lot....use a spray bottle to regularly apply a mist to the area you are wetsanding....also dip the sandpaper in a bucket of water....use little to no pressure while sanding...and stop to check your progress often....nothing worse than fixing the problem, only to take it too far and make it worse.

I would advise before wetsanding, to take a light to medium grit compound and use a high speed buffer to polish the area. Usually that will work. Again, stop to check the work often.

If you ever get a scratch down to metal, clean it real well, dry it real well, then put some touch up paint in it....let that "cure" real well, then sand it as mentioned above. I touched up an Eagle Talon one time that had a 4" long, 1/8" wide, down-to-bare-metal scratch in the right rear quarter. I prepped it (used an air hose to dry it), put the touch up paint into the scratch, filling it completely, let it set for a day and a half. Then I spent 2 hours wet sanding the spot. It actually took another application of touch up paint, more dry time and another 2 hours of wet sanding, but I was able to make the scratch disappear completely. Unfortunately, the girl driving the car wrecked it two days later and it was brought into our body shop. That car never was the same. But, the rear quarter still looked great.

The other thing to watch out for is the particular part of the car you're working on. As you know, typically, wings/spoilers/ground effects/etc are made of plastic rather than metal. While they appear the same color and everything, they don't buff/polish the same. Any scratches in your rear wing/lip for example will require you to be much more careful when buffing because you can easily burn/melt the plastic (I've done it, it isn't pretty). So watch out for that.

As for the Back to Black that you mention, that stuff is awesome. There is another one that is out that is less "greasy" than the Back to Black stuff, but works the same. It works great on black bezels, moldings, bumper caps, and black grills too. I actually used it as tire dressing one time when we were out of the dressing at the shop (not recommended). Don't get any of it on the paint if you can help it. Also, just a tip using the black stuff...put it on, let it set for a minute or two, then run a cloth over it again to wipe off the excess. A great product to use at shows.
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Oh man Tag, be careful with that sandpaper....if you don't really know what you're doing, you will screw up the paint beyond simple buff/polish/wax repair.

Wet sanding helps a lot....use a spray bottle to regularly apply a mist to the area you are wetsanding....also dip the sandpaper in a bucket of water....use little to no pressure while sanding...and stop to check your progress often....nothing worse than fixing the problem, only to take it too far and make it worse.

I would advise before wetsanding, to take a light to medium grit compound and use a high speed buffer to polish the area. Usually that will work. Again, stop to check the work often.


If you ever get a scratch down to metal, clean it real well, dry it real well, then put some touch up paint in it....let that "cure" real well, then sand it as mentioned above. I touched up an Eagle Talon one time that had a 4" long, 1/8" wide, down-to-bare-metal scratch in the right rear quarter. I prepped it (used an air hose to dry it), put the touch up paint into the scratch, filling it completely, let it set for a day and a half. Then I spent 2 hours wet sanding the spot. It actually took another application of touch up paint, more dry time and another 2 hours of wet sanding, but I was able to make the scratch disappear completely. Unfortunately, the girl driving the car wrecked it two days later and it was brought into our body shop. That car never was the same. But, the rear quarter still looked great.

The other thing to watch out for is the particular part of the car you're working on. As you know, typically, wings/spoilers/ground effects/etc are made of plastic rather than metal. While they appear the same color and everything, they don't buff/polish the same. Any scratches in your rear wing/lip for example will require you to be much more careful when buffing because you can easily burn/melt the plastic (I've done it, it isn't pretty). So watch out for that.

As for the Back to Black that you mention, that stuff is awesome. There is another one that is out that is less "greasy" than the Back to Black stuff, but works the same. It works great on black bezels, moldings, bumper caps, and black grills too. I actually used it as tire dressing one time when we were out of the dressing at the shop (not recommended). Don't get any of it on the paint if you can help it. Also, just a tip using the black stuff...put it on, let it set for a minute or two, then run a cloth over it again to wipe off the excess. A great product to use at shows.
Oh yeah...that's exactly what we did. I have never used the wet sanding process before but have seen it done plenty on television. I had always wanted to learn and finally got the chance from an experienced friend of mine. That was the only way to get some of the scratches out. And it worked like a charm!!! I tried it and screwed it up a couple times while he was there. But, by the time I left, I got the hang of it.

On one spot, I pushed too hard w/ only one finger. That put some hard scratches in the clear coat. It took a while for him to get them out, but little mistakes like that are what make us learn. I've got it down now!
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:55 PM   #15
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Since you guys seem to sound like ya pretty well know what you're talking about, lol, I want to get your opinion on what I should do.

I've attached pics I took of the places on my car.

Pics 1 and 2 are right behind the driver's side door. I was Job Shadowing at the hospital here in town and when I came out someone had literally SLUNG their door open on my car, apparently. There was some white paint in the scratch but I used wax and the paint came out. The only problem is that it has scratched the clear coat. I know you can't really tell a lot from the pics but it's the best I could do, I may try to take better ones later if you need them. I drew a red circle around the spot so you could see it.

Pic 3 is a minute scratch that was on the car when I bought it. It's very small and I think I could fix it or atleast make it less noticeable. (With the HUGE scratch behind my door, I really don't think anyone's eyes will go straight to this one!)

Pic 4 is where there was an air bubble in the paint on my bumper. I was rearended and had to take my car to get a new bumper put on it and the bumper had to be painted. Well, my best-friend-at-the-time's dad and grandpa have a body shop, so I just got him to do it. Lesson Learned! First of all, he didn't put all the clips in my bumper when he put it back on my car so when I picked up the car initially, it was WAVY! I freaked and took my car back and he said he thought the clips were "extras". Yeah, wtf! Anyway, I didn't notice this air bubble until about a month later. After a few trips to the car wash, hand washing, etc. the paint has finally peeled. Any advice on what I should do??


**Please ignore the pitiful dirty state of my car as it sits! It has been 103 degrees here for the past 2 weeks and there are no signs of letting up soon, so I haven't really been in a "car washing mood". I PROMISE my car is never that filthy normally!**

PLEASE give me your best advice! I am very grateful!!
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Well, they are tough to really get a feel for what the scratch looks like, but I'll give you some tips based on a couple things.

For the first scratch (Pics 1 & 2)...I can't really tell if there is any kind of dent/crease there either. Also, I can't tell if that scratch is any deeper than just the clearcoat or not. It kind of looks like it is, but that may just be the nature of the pic. If it is...the only way to "fix" it (short of having the panel repainted (by a more reputable shop than you used before....lol)) is to get some touch up paint (get it from the dealer or have it matched and mixed at a reputable body shop) and follow the steps I talked about before with the Talon. Then polish it up with some light compound and wax it up. If there is a dent/crease there, have a Paintless Dent Removal guy take out the dent/crease first...if you do it afterward, it will pop out your touch up paint and you'll have to do it all again.

If the scratch is just the clearcoat, you could just always keep it waxed (even if it's just that spot) and probably be okay. If you want to fix it, go to the dealer or body shop and get some "touch up" clearcoat. Follow the same wetsanding/polishing procedure.

For the other "original" scratch (Pic 3)...follow the same steps listed above.

For the problem with your bumper...well, the only real fix is to have the whole thing repainted. You could do it with touch up paint (although, that's a lot more than the normal bottle of touch up paint.) but it won't look right and the sanding/polishing process is a problem, not only because of the plastic bumper cover, but because of the location. If you know someone or can find someone who does airbrush painting/graphics, they could match, mix and airbrush it to cover it up and blend it in (make sure you/they add some clear afterwards, or waxing it will be a bitch after awhile).

Fortunately for you, you have that "Pewter" color that is easier to hide scratches and imperfections than say Tag's black.

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The first scratch also has a SMALL dent, it isn't too noticeable but I know it's there and that's why it bothers me so bad. That was also why I got the idea that the person must have really slung the door open to dent AND scratch.

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to get the dent/scratch behind the door and the bumper problem fixed? I am NOT going to the same person as before haha... Like I said, Lesson Learned!!!

Thanks a lot for the tips, you've been really helpful!
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All those swirl marks and minor imperfections that show up on Black and other dark colors are exactly why I'll never own them.

White looks clean and sharp, and almost never shows swirl marks and other tiny imperfections. Silver is almost as good.
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Silver is White, with a little black mixed in...for attitude!

So here's another question for all you pro's . If you use touch up paint on a small bare-metal scratch, shouldn't you add clearcoat? Or else won't it stick out as a very flat color compared to the glossy clear-coat all around the touch-up?
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I love it!

On the subject, not long after i bought the Supra (which was not in mint shape to begn with) it became the victim of overspray at a local shopyard! So it had thousands of paint-speckles allllll over it. Me and a Z06 enthusiast buddy spent an all-nighter (similar to Tag's night) and went through an alchemy-lab full of techniques to get it straight. And it was...I was forever getting compliments on the paint, which was original, because of my willingness to keep fresh wax on it after stripping it down to bare-nothing and layering sweet hotness back on, one step at a time.

The IROC also got similar treatment, but it needs again pretty badly. The good news is, I've only washed it twice since I treated it...so swirls shouldn't be a problem! Hehe.
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The first scratch also has a SMALL dent, it isn't too noticeable but I know it's there and that's why it bothers me so bad. That was also why I got the idea that the person must have really slung the door open to dent AND scratch.

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to get the dent/scratch behind the door and the bumper problem fixed? I am NOT going to the same person as before haha... Like I said, Lesson Learned!!!

Thanks a lot for the tips, you've been really helpful!


If you're looking at the paintless dent removal, anyone that is any good at it should take about 30 minutes, and charge you anywhere from $15-20....most of them do it on a per panel basis, so check and see if you have any other small dents that need to be taken out as well...if it's just one, they might not even charge you that much.

As for the bumper...no clue...I've been out of the industry for so long, I wouldn't have any idea what it would cost to fix it. Sorry.



Dragon, to answer your question, it depends on the paint really. If it's a metallic, then the touch up paint is probably shiny enough to not need it. For the right protection, yeah, probably. But like I said earlier, that can be done with a "touch up" version of clear as well.
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Yeah MerF, I'm with you...I used to get compliments on my cars all the time. Someone actually told me once that they figured I must have had my truck "dipped in hot wax" to get it looking like that.

I just don't have that kind of time any more. Poor excuse I know, but.....
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Thanks a lot Silverado! I really appreciate it!

And thanks to everyone else as well!
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Thanks a lot Silverado! I really appreciate it!

And thanks to everyone else as well!


No problem, hope it helps.
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