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Old 08-18-2007, 07:54 PM   #1
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Pedders suspension already for the Camaro

Hi, I am DMS and this is my first post. I am sure all of you know the new Camaro will be on the Aussie designed ZETA platform. This may be one of the most sophisticated platform designs ever for a mass produced vehicle

The Zeta platform vehicles are already being sold in australia.The Poniac G8 will be the first US vehicle with the Zeta platform. It currently is being delayed I believe due to shock problems.

Pedders is the largest suspension manufacturer in Australia and is a $125 million a year company there. Pedders parts were introduced to the US market when the GTO, another Aussie vehicle, hit the street. Pedders is by far the dominant suspension system for the GTO in the USA with over 20 dealers. Pedders also manufacturers suspension components for the GMT900 trucks and utilties, and by SEMA this year, will have suspension systems for about 20 additonal GM vehicles

Pedders already has suspension designs and components for the Zeta platform and will have a complete line of suspension upgrades for the new Camaro before it hits the streets in the USA.

Watch for them. They offer some fantastic upgrades

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Old 08-18-2007, 09:50 PM   #2
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But isn't GM altering the Zeta platform slightly for the Camaro specifically? How could you have those specs already?
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Old 08-18-2007, 10:36 PM   #3
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Welcome to the boards DMS. Nice to see another bay area person.

As for what Dragon said, I'd like to know the same thing. Please enlighten us. =)
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:20 AM   #5
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Good. I want to make my Camaro a very competent road racer. Welcome to the boards
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Old 08-19-2007, 09:11 PM   #6
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the camaro has always had decent handling compared to other muscle cars. wouldn't it be something if it can handle nearly as good as most tuners, get nearly as good of millage, and have about 3 times the power?
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the camaro has always had decent handling compared to other muscle cars. wouldn't it be something if it can handle nearly as good as most tuners, get nearly as good of millage, and have about 3 times the power?
tuners only handle so much better cus they can only go so fast, so they take the corners slower than us
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By the time the Camaro is out, Pedders will have multiple systems available, including potentially a 2-3 position strut and shock for street/ performance and race. Currently, the Camaros that are are on tour are not really built on a ZETA platform, but actually are an oa CTS platform. The dealys on having the Camro built are really polital and are based on union aggrements. edders will have alll the stuff prior to te Camaro coming out.

the Camaros that are on the roda ccurrently are not what will be delivered when the vehicle arrives. THey will be higher. the sructure for he Zetsa platforma are the same. There will be minor alterrations for he different car lines. Pedders will be th dominant suspension system for the Camaro without a doubt

For those who know me, I am a Pedders dealer for the GTO and many other vehicles and have helped thousands of GTO owners./ I am just preparing potential Camaro owners on the most important upgarde that you can do and that is the suspension. So I am just getting the creative juices to the community going
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:35 PM   #9
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tuners only handle so much better cus they can only go so fast, so they take the corners slower than us
Wow.

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Old 08-19-2007, 11:41 PM   #10
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Wow.

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come on... you didnt think that was funny?
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Well in all honesty front wheel drive is disadvantaged compared to a rear or all wheel drive in a performance situation. Uneven weight distribution and masses of understeer explain why practically all performance oriented cars choose one of the two. Audi's quattro system is damn good, as is Nissan's system on the Skyline. Tons of cars use the front engine, rear drive so I won't name them all. And the highest performing ones are usually mid engine, rear drive a la Koenigsegg, Ferrari F430, and Ford GT.
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:eek: I just noticed, RiceRocket, your car in your sig has got a spud-cannon on it! I'm just kidding.

Look at it this way, your a tuner-advocate (so-to-speak), so...you could, you know, enlighten us, on topics we have been brainwashed into believing...like this one.

Why do tuners handle better then our brusiers?
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:49 PM   #13
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I have respect for the Supra, the RX7, the Z car, and the Skyline.
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:52 PM   #14
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I can see why Noble, Lotus, Ariel and Caterham get the label of some of the best handling cars in the world. I can't understand why a Civic with a wing or a Cobalt would.
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Well in all honesty front wheel drive is disadvantaged compared to a rear or all wheel drive in a performance situation. Uneven weight distribution and masses of understeer explain why practically all performance oriented cars choose one of the two. Audi's quattro system is damn good, as is Nissan's system on the Skyline. Tons of cars use the front engine, rear drive so I won't name them all. And the highest performing ones are usually mid engine, rear drive a la Koenigsegg, Ferrari F430, and Ford GT.
You're partially right, but a lot of what you assume is debateable as well.

AWD is not necessarily ideal for autocross or circuit racing, in that it generally outweighs FWD and RWD competitors with its driveline, making it prone to a lot more understeer.

But yes, RWD is the best platform.

Unless you're stuck in the snow.
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You're partially right, but a lot of what you assume is debateable as well.

AWD is not necessarily ideal for autocross or circuit racing, in that it generally outweighs FWD and RWD competitors with its driveline, making it prone to a lot more understeer.

But yes, RWD is the best platform.

Unless you're stuck in the snow.
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Absolutely true about AWD and its weight. That's why I generally prefer RWD. I've got my Jeep for snow, not that we get much down here.
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:01 AM   #17
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If you get stuck in the snow in a RWD vehicle...just slam it! you'll hit the ground eventually...never done that before, and of course, I'm joking, but I've seen more than my fair share of snow to know it's possible...
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:eek: I just noticed, RiceRocket, your car in your sig has got a spud-cannon on it! I'm just kidding.

Look at it this way, your a tuner-advocate (so-to-speak), so...you could, you know, enlighten us, on topics we have been brainwashed into believing...like this one.

Why do tuners handle better then our brusiers?
Well, tuners are more "tuned" for multipurpose applications.
Sportscars and musclecars go different ways and people often get confused about the two.
Suspension set up is generally more sophisticated in an import sportscar than it would be in a domestic muscle car.

a muscle car is kinda useless without gobs of horsepower.
whereas a sportscar with too much horsepower is useless.

I've always been a sportscar lover....I love the precision steering and tossability of a lightweight car with modest power.

A lot of my friends are the opposite...they want something that wil go fast in a straight line.

Different strokes, thats all.

don't get me wrong, there are crossovers in each category, and obviously, with the right amount of $$$ and time, a musclecar can easily be turned into a sportscar and vice versa.

Look at the C6....it outhandles a ton of imports on a circuit track.
Domestic sportscar.

Look at my Supra....it destroys a ton of muscle cars at the drag strip.
Import Muscle.

Whatever...it's just a thought.

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Man in my junior year of high school there was a huge (well, for us, I'm in NC) snowstorm and we got out a bit early. People were downright scary driving in that stuff. I was ok in my Jeep, but even so. One girl in a Mustang was at the bottom of an icy hill. So what does she do? Steps on it hard and goes up it sideways. So she floors it and puts it 90 degrees sideways before putting it in a ditch.
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No, way. :eek: that's crazy! I meant like if your in a snowdrift. With enough power, I could see a car just rip through the snow, and find the ground...and grip.

Of course, I would put it in a high gear (going up that hill), and slowly (without all my torque) go up the hill. Or just take another route home.
When I was younger, our school bus had to go up a hill, but the stupid-a$$ designers put the apex of the hill right AT the stop sign.

Needless to say, over time - the Hill's grade slowly increased, and that year it was soo bad, that in Winter, our bus stopped at the stop sign, and when he went to go, the wheels spun out, and he instantly lost grip, and the bus started to slide down the hill into the cars behind us. Luckily, they were smart, and backed down the Hill, so the driver of the bus hammered it, and found the road again, then he braked, to keep his spot. Slowly, he gassed it, and with minimal torque, he finally got back up the hill.
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No, way. that's crazy! I meant like if your in a snowdrift. With enough power, I could see a car just rip through the snow, and find the ground...and grip.

30 plus years of Wisconsin winters says that never happens the way you might think
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No, way. that's crazy! I meant like if your in a snowdrift. With enough power, I could see a car just rip through the snow, and find the ground...and grip.

30 plus years of Wisconsin winters says that never happens the way you might think
aint that the truth. maybe if ur car tires have studs in them or chains on, but in the cold ur tires get hard and lose thier grip. given enough time, you might be able to dig down if you sit n spin (dont take that out of context).

but as for tuners being able to out-maneuver us. look at the wheelbase, weight, and the ability to throw the ass end around without having to worry about spinning the tires. lol
the main thing a lot of times is a driver mod

I drove a Dodge caliber when I was in LA a few weeks back (nice car, but I wouldnt buy one) it would get up to 90 but you were redlining it about just to stay with traffic but Damn was it nimble, Id swerve accross 3-4 lanes doin 90+ and back to get ahead of traffic and she handled like a charm.

i want to take my maro out there and scare some mexicons
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Pedders is the largest suspension manufacturer in Australia and is a $125 million a year company there. Pedders parts were introduced to the US market when the GTO, another Aussie vehicle, hit the street. Pedders is by far the dominant suspension system for the GTO in the USA with over 20 dealers. Pedders also manufacturers suspension components for the GMT900 trucks and utilties, and by SEMA this year, will have suspension systems for about 20 additonal GM vehicles

Pedders already has suspension designs and components for the Zeta platform and will have a complete line of suspension upgrades for the new Camaro before it hits the streets in the USA.

Watch for them. They offer some fantastic upgrades

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Is it the suspension they use on the GTO now stock?
Because the handling is pretty bad. Or is this to replace that bad handling?
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Umm...camaro5 ADD strikes again.

dms, I'm kinda skeptical about your advertising for a product for a platform that doesn't exist yet. Maybe Alleykt can jump in since she's the local GTO expert on your reputation as a company.
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