Pedders suspension already for the Camaro

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by JeepinMatt

I can see why Noble, Lotus, Ariel and Caterham get the label of some of the best handling cars in the world. I can't understand why a Civic with a wing or a Cobalt would.

sorry for bringing this back from the dead.

but have u drivin a cobalt ss supercharged? i have both a 4th gen z28 and stock cobalt ss supercharged. my 4th gen Z28 has modified suspension and handles quiet well. but i can tell you this i can garauntee that my cobalt feels more stable, around every turn then my camaro. I can almost promise you that my cobalt will out handle my camaro and its FWD. Cobalt is a great handling car recording over .9G's in factory form. dont diss the cobalt unless youve drivin one. oh also braking is by far better as well. oh yeah steering on my cobalt is presise, i had to modify the camaro in order to get a good feel of the car. i would be scared changing lanes in my camaro with stock suspension as it felt like it would float away. cobalt has never done that.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by nfamous209

sorry for bringing this back from the dead.

but have u drivin a cobalt ss supercharged? i have both a 4th gen z28 and stock cobalt ss supercharged. my 4th gen Z28 has modified suspension and handles quiet well. but i can tell you this i can garauntee that my cobalt feels more stable, around every turn then my camaro. I can almost promise you that my cobalt will out handle my camaro and its FWD. Cobalt is a great handling car recording over .9G's in factory form. dont diss the cobalt unless youve drivin one. oh also braking is by far better as well. oh yeah steering on my cobalt is presise, i had to modify the camaro in order to get a good feel of the car. i would be scared changing lanes in my camaro with stock suspension as it felt like it would float away. cobalt has never done that.

how fast were you going in the Z for it to float? because I haven't upgraded my suspension other then a pan hard rod and a tq arm and mine didn't feel like it was floating until around 150.

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

how fast were you going in the Z for it to float? because I haven't upgraded my suspension other then a pan hard rod and a tq arm and mine didn't feel like it was floating until around 150.

just free way driving 70-80 mph, and the car felt like it was floating when i was changing lanes. now that i added. belstien re valves B+G 1.4" lowing springs, UMI LCA's, UMI PHR they've made a huge difference. extremely stable on simple lane changes and corning. i can't imagin going 150 on stock suspension, i'd be too afraid. i've taken it to 153 already but thats with my suspension already done.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by nfamous209

sorry for bringing this back from the dead.

but have u drivin a cobalt ss supercharged? i have both a 4th gen z28 and stock cobalt ss supercharged. my 4th gen Z28 has modified suspension and handles quiet well. but i can tell you this i can garauntee that my cobalt feels more stable, around every turn then my camaro. I can almost promise you that my cobalt will out handle my camaro and its FWD. Cobalt is a great handling car recording over .9G's in factory form. dont diss the cobalt unless youve drivin one. oh also braking is by far better as well. oh yeah steering on my cobalt is presise, i had to modify the camaro in order to get a good feel of the car. i would be scared changing lanes in my camaro with stock suspension as it felt like it would float away. cobalt has never done that.

Originally Posted by nfamous209

just free way driving 70-80 mph, and the car felt like it was floating when i was changing lanes. now that i added. belstien re valves B+G 1.4" lowing springs, UMI LCA's, UMI PHR they've made a huge difference. extremely stable on simple lane changes and corning. i can't imagin going 150 on stock suspension, i'd be too afraid. i've taken it to 153 already but thats with my suspension already done.

Wow! I've owned Camaros for 8 years straight now... I'm on my 3rd 4th gen and I'm suprised you'd be scared to take it up to 150mph. I've done it and felt completely comfortable in doing so. Personally, I love the stock suspension that GM put in their 4th Gens. And......you'd also have to look at it from GM's perspective .....not everyone will be doing 150mph in their Camaros...and if they do, will only do it once or twice. Purchasing a very expensive suspension simply for speeds as those is pointless to me.

As far as floating at 70-80mph, what year was your Camaro? Those shocks must have gone bad or something. I've never heard anyone have that problem before. Crisp, quick, and agile....is how I best describe the feel of my SS....all on stock GM components. Pretty good stuff GM put in there! I don't doubt aftermarket will improve it...not at all, but great GM stuff for everyday driving as well as the occassional ROMP!

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by nfamous209

just free way driving 70-80 mph, and the car felt like it was floating when i was changing lanes. now that i added. belstien re valves B+G 1.4" lowing springs, UMI LCA's, UMI PHR they've made a huge difference. extremely stable on simple lane changes and corning. i can't imagin going 150 on stock suspension, i'd be too afraid. i've taken it to 153 already but thats with my suspension already done.

I'm serious I've had my car up to 150+ more times then I'm going to admit on here (especially with the po po on here). and I didn't feel too much of a float until I hit a section of road that started going up and down pretty quickly. and that was at 150ish slowed down to about 120-130 and it was fine. so yea bad shocks probably.

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Wow! I've owned Camaros for 8 years straight now... I'm on my 3rd 4th gen and I'm suprised you'd be scared to take it up to 150mph. I've done it and felt completely comfortable in doing so. Personally, I love the stock suspension that GM put in their 4th Gens. And......you'd also have to look at it from GM's perspective .....not everyone will be doing 150mph in their Camaros...and if they do, will only do it once or twice. Purchasing a very expensive suspension simply for speeds as those is pointless to me.

As far as floating at 70-80mph, what year was your Camaro? Those shocks must have gone bad or something. I've never heard anyone have that problem before. Crisp, quick, and agile....is how I best describe the feel of my SS....all on stock GM components. Pretty good stuff GM put in there! I don't doubt aftermarket will improve it...not at all, but great GM stuff for everyday driving as well as the occassional ROMP!

ss already came with a lil bit better suspension then a standard Z28, i have an 02. its not that i was scared really its i felt the whole body "wobble" side to side during simple lane changes. now its gone so i'm not trippin. I was referencing stock for stock my cobalt and my camaro. my cobalt stock for stock out does my camaro in handling, and ride comfort as well. i still love both cars, 2 entirely different cars and i love both of them.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by nfamous209

ss already came with a lil bit better suspension then a standard Z28, i have an 02. its not that i was scared really its i felt the whole body "wobble" side to side during simple lane changes. now its gone so i'm not trippin. I was referencing stock for stock my cobalt and my camaro. my cobalt stock for stock out does my camaro in handling, and ride comfort as well. i still love both cars, 2 entirely different cars and i love both of them.

Cool. I have yet to actually ride in a Cobalt, so really...I couldn't compare..lol. Even so, all the 4th gens I've had were pretty good. The V6 was okay, but it's been a while. My 02 Z28 was pretty agile. Don't remember sway at hwy speeds. But, it's all good. Numerous possibilities and also...the fact I still have yet to ride in a Cobalt! Must be impressive if if it's more nimble than an SS! Cool deal!

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Cool. I have yet to actually ride in a Cobalt, so really...I couldn't compare..lol. Even so, all the 4th gens I've had were pretty good. The V6 was okay, but it's been a while. My 02 Z28 was pretty agile. Don't remember sway at hwy speeds. But, it's all good. Numerous possibilities and also...the fact I still have yet to ride in a Cobalt! Must be impressive if if it's more nimble than an SS! Cool deal!

thats the word i was looking for sway thanks. lol. yeah the brakes on the SS S/C are awsome had to test em first day i bought it as traffic came to a dead stop. and all i can say is whiplash. its been a year and i still have the seatbelt mark from when i had to stop fast. and the car doesnt have brembos like the new cobalt does. cobalt is very balanced. and very under rated in power. i can easy beat 350z on the freeway and last gen mustang gt's. car is verry fun.

[blackgloves]

any production Camaro < SS/SC Cobalt

Ive owned serveral Z28's and a 2007 SC'd Cobalt and theres no competition. My SS/SC Cobalt (sold now to my parents) is an awesome car in almost every aspect. As far as handling its the best handling car Ive ever owned. I dumped a ton of money into my 01 Z28 too and it couldn't touch that Cobalt.

As already mentioned the steering is great too in the Cobalt. GM NEVER gave us Perielli tires, a 10 inch sub in a stealth box, RACARO racing seats and 18inch wheels from the factory until.... the SC'd Cobalt came out. GM put together those Cobalts like a Vette. They didn't cut any corners.

EDIT: Im a Camaro fan to the bone. When I say Any Camaro < Cobalt thats in reference to handling

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by blackgloves

any production Camaro < SS/SC Cobalt

Ive owned serveral Z28's and a 2007 SC'd Cobalt and theres no competition. My SS/SC Cobalt (sold now to my parents) is an awesome car in almost every aspect. As far as handling its the best handling car Ive ever owned. I dumped a ton of money into my 01 Z28 too and it couldn't touch that Cobalt.

As already mentioned the steering is great too in the Cobalt. GM NEVER gave us Perielli tires, a 10 inch sub in a stealth box, RACARO racing seats and 18inch wheels from the factory until.... the SC'd Cobalt came out. GM put together those Cobalts like a Vette. They didn't cut any corners.

EDIT: Im a Camaro fan to the bone. When I say Any Camaro < Cobalt thats in reference to handling

yeah the balt does handle great, i cant wait to get a set of B&G coilovers and a 1" rear sway bar for the car. then it will be even better. but i still love my camaro too, especially with the balls out power.

[blackgloves]

Originally Posted by nfamous209

yeah the balt does handle great, i cant wait to get a set of B&G coilovers and a 1" rear sway bar for the car. then it will be even better. but i still love my camaro too, especially with the balls out power.

I had plans of a Stage II kit, after market wheels and possibly some exhaust. thing is I wanted something that would keep the car quiet and its almost impossible to find an exhaust (after market) that keeps a car sounding stock

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by blackgloves

I had plans of a Stage II kit, after market wheels and possibly some exhaust. thing is I wanted something that would keep the car quiet and its almost impossible to find an exhaust (after market) that keeps a car sounding stock

gmpp exhaust was good, not overly loud from what i hear. only thing i've done was add an i njen intake. and boy does the s/c come alive with that. i have a 2.9" pulley and some injectors to throw in, also a header.. waiting on getting an exhaust and belt, wanna do everything at once and dyno tune it. heard the gm stage 2 has some KR with it so im hesitant in getting it.

[blackgloves]

Originally Posted by nfamous209

gmpp exhaust was good, not overly loud from what i hear. only thing i've done was add an i njen intake. and boy does the s/c come alive with that. i have a 2.9" pulley and some injectors to throw in, also a header.. waiting on getting an exhaust and belt, wanna do everything at once and dyno tune it. heard the gm stage 2 has some KR with it so im hesitant in getting it.

Oh I had forgot. I had planed on doing that same intake. they do make the belt wine scream from what I hear. I also wanted to go with the black headlights (halo) for my car (its black) my mom loves that damn thing

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by blackgloves

Oh I had forgot. I had planed on doing that same intake. they do make the belt wine scream from what I hear. I also wanted to go with the black headlights (halo) for my car (its black) my mom loves that damn thing

yeah my mom's obsessed with the car. she likes it more then my camaro.

[JusticePete]

When you take your Pedderised ZETA II Camaro 175 MPH will be the new 150 MPH

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

When you take your Pedderised ZETA II Camaro 175 MPH will be the new 150 MPH

I want my camaro to do 190+ and be extermely stable. I plan to move to germany and drive super fast on the autobahn. I don't want to look up in my rear view mirror and see some benz or BMW flashing it's lights at me to get out of the way. I want to be the other way around. is this possible? lol. as long as the camaro has the power/gearing. . .

[JusticePete]

The G8 rides on ZETA and the ZETA II will be a more sporting setup. My G8 is ProCharged and rides on a full Pedders eXtreme suspension. I am old enough to have owned a 426 HEMI Charger back in the day and a semi-responsible driver. I have slowed down over the years on the street -- most of the time. One of these years I'll grow up... well maybe. Anyway, with my G8 loaded with my wife and kids a a full trunk (they are all women) I found myself into triple digits on the open roads of Texas -- effortless. Had my wife not been banging my shoulder to watch my speed no one in the car would have noticed... well almost no one. I really had no intention of going that fast with my family in the car. It was a bad idea that just crept up as we drove cross country in the middle of no where. With no other cars around it was sneaky speed. There was nothing to judge it by and as the miles clocked off at 80, then 85, then 90... you know what I mean. I have had the G8 over 150 MPH on the track with my helmet and no family in the car and it was so composed it is hard to believe. How can 150 MPH feel like 80 or 90MPH?

Will you be able to drive your ZETA II Camaro at 190MPH. My guess would be yes, but can it be done safely? Things can go wrong really fast at those speeds. A tire failure is catastrophic at 190 MPH and probably at 150 MPH. Our car don't have full cages, full harnesses and so on. I really do try to respect the rules of the road and drive fast only on the track. Like most of us I occasionally have poor judgment and lapse into old bad habits.

The new Camaro will be by far the most capable GM ever built. Even the six cylinder secretary's car will have enough HP to be a serious road warrior. We just did a complete Pedders GSR suspension on a six cylinder G8. The car is AWESOME! The editor and writer were blown away by the performance. The Camaro should be no different.

[boxmonkeyracing]

I'm serious about the autobahn. those AMG and BMW guys are crazy. I've driven on it in a 10 pack van doing 140 mph and those guys pass you like it's nothing. . .

[WillInThe04Ranger]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I'm serious about the autobahn. those AMG and BMW guys are crazy. I've driven on it in a 10 pack van doing 140 mph and those guys pass you like it's nothing. . .

Sad thing is when they wreck at those speeds, I have heard tale of the germans having to burry those right where they crash.

[JusticePete]

There is an old race track axiom that was valid the first time it was spoken and is still valid today. Speed Kills.

While the Autobahn does have open areas with no speed limits the German's also have a safety inspection requirement. It isn't to race car standards, but it is better than nothing. Where most people go wrong in driving fast is they don't treat their daily driver like a race car when it comes to maintenance. If you are going to drive at race car speeds, then maintain your car to race car like standards. Preventative Maintenance takes on a new level of meaning when you drive into triple digits.

I won't tell you not to run flat out. Given the same opportunity I would probably be right there with you. I will tell you that if your are going to 'race' on the Autobahn to properly prepare your car and ease into those speeds. Enroll at something like Bondurant and prepare yourself just as you prepare your car.

[06TBSS]

DMS:

Do you know or know anyone that can verifiy if the production cars rear quarter panels wheel arch sheetmetal is pre-rolled for us? Having to roll fenders warps panels and is a p.i.t.a. FYI - All Mercedes Benzes are rolled and that allows max rubber in the wells. I would hope GM would consider this for the first time ever lol. They finally stepped up and are offering Zenon lighting on a sub 40k vehicle id hope the wheelwells are rolled for suspension/drag enthusiasts.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by 06TBSS

DMS:

Do you know or know anyone that can verifiy if the production cars rear quarter panels wheel arch sheetmetal is pre-rolled for us? Having to roll fenders warps panels and is a p.i.t.a. FYI - All Mercedes Benzes are rolled and that allows max rubber in the wells. I would hope GM would consider this for the first time ever lol. They finally stepped up and are offering Zenon lighting on a sub 40k vehicle id hope the wheelwells are rolled for suspension/drag enthusiasts.

I will see what we can find out

mike
dms

[JusticePete]

The vehicles that I have seen are all prototype or pre-production and not really production so I can't say either way for sure. My guess using a broken crystal ball would be no.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by 06TBSS

DMS:

Do you know or know anyone that can verifiy if the production cars rear quarter panels wheel arch sheetmetal is pre-rolled for us? Having to roll fenders warps panels and is a p.i.t.a. FYI - All Mercedes Benzes are rolled and that allows max rubber in the wells. I would hope GM would consider this for the first time ever lol. They finally stepped up and are offering Zenon lighting on a sub 40k vehicle id hope the wheelwells are rolled for suspension/drag enthusiasts.

This is one of those things that we could not determine. We need to be selective on our favors with GM. So this issue is not that critical to cash in one of the favors. Sorry

mike
dms

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I want my camaro to do 190+ and be extermely stable. I plan to move to germany and drive super fast on the autobahn. I don't want to look up in my rear view mirror and see some benz or BMW flashing it's lights at me to get out of the way. I want to be the other way around. is this possible? lol. as long as the camaro has the power/gearing. . .

If you are that serious about your ride, then a Pedders Extreme Track system will be your only option for the suspension. We are the only ones so far, and am not sure if anyone else is doing G8 bushings. Not yet anyways.

To get to 190, you qill hve to do a lot of work to the motor and power train.
but our Extreme track suspension will get you there, in terms of the suspension.

Mike
dms