PSN down?!!! Hackers!!

[Slick1]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

PSN's security is a joke. That's the real problem here. There are hackers on XBL and everywhere else, but I've never seen so many problems as on PSN. Sony is responsible for keeping that info safe, keeping servers up and running, and maintaining a secure network. So far, they have done none of that.

While I agree that obviously there must be something wrong for this to have gone down I fail to see how that excuses anything the hackers have done .

You would think that Amazon would have some serious security yet their site was down because of this BS too.

[Rogue Leader]

Everyone get this email?

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PlayStation(R)Network

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Valued PlayStation(R)Network/Qriocity Customer:

We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:

1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;

2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full
and complete investigation into what happened; and

3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our
network infrastructure by rebuilding our system to provide you
with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and
efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country,
email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login,
and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data,
including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip),
and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may
have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your
dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have
been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit
card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have
provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity,
out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit
card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have
been obtained.

For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email,
telephone and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive
information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email,
asking for your credit card number, social security number or other
personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information,
you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation
Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that
you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation
Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or
accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them as well.

To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we
encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and
to monitor your credit reports. We are providing the following information
for those who wish to consider it:
- U.S. residents are entitled under U.S. law to one free credit report annually
from each of the three major credit bureaus. To order your free credit report,
visit www.annualcreditreport.com or call toll-free (877) 322-8228.

- We have also provided names and contact information for the three major U.S.
credit bureaus below. At no charge, U.S. residents can have these credit bureaus
place a "fraud alert" on your file that alerts creditors to take additional steps
to verify your identity prior to granting credit in your name. This service can
make it more difficult for someone to get credit in your name. Note, however,
that because it tells creditors to follow certain procedures to protect you,
it also may delay your ability to obtain credit while the agency verifies your
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Equifax: 800-525-6285; www.equifax.com; P.O. Box 740241, Atlanta, GA 30374-0241
TransUnion: 800-680-7289; www.transunion.com; Fraud Victim Assistance Division,
P.O. Box 6790, Fullerton, CA 92834-6790

- You may wish to visit the website of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission at
www.consumer.gov/idtheft or reach the FTC at 1-877-382-4357 or 600 Pennsylvania
Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580 for further information about how to protect
yourself from identity theft. Your state Attorney General may also have advice
on preventing identity theft, and you should report instances of known or
suspected identity theft to law enforcement, your State Attorney General,
and the FTC. For North Carolina residents, the Attorney General can be
contacted at 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001; telephone
(877) 566-7226; or www.ncdoj.gov. For Maryland residents, the Attorney
General can be contacted at 200 St. Paul Place, 16th Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202;
telephone: (888) 743-0023; or www.oag.state.md.us.

We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of this
incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working around the
clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as possible. Sony takes
information protection very seriously and will continue to work to ensure that
additional measures are taken to protect personally identifiable information.
Providing quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is
our utmost priority. Please contact us at 1-800-345-7669 should you have any
additional questions.

Sincerely,

Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Network Entertainment

Great

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Slick1

While I agree that obviously there must be something wrong for this to have gone down I fail to see how that excuses anything the hackers have done .

You would think that Amazon would have some serious security yet their site was down because of this BS too.

It doesn't excuse it at all. I'm just getting sick of the rampant hacking on PSN. It has been going on for months now. Server down all the time, accounts getting wiped (including mine), now all this private info has been stolen. . . Obviously there is a serious problem that Sony hasn't fixed and I'm just as annoyed with them as I am with the hackers that continue to succeed in breaking their security. There will always be hackers on any system, but Sony can't seem to handle it at all. I place blame on Sony as well as the hackers.

[2ndgenz28]

Also this is SONY, suppose to be a giant corp withthe best of the best and board script kiddies can take them down at will.

SONY needs to just deal with it and accept its all their fault.

They left doors open, the hackers just tried ever knob until one turned.

[MAGfuz]

Thankfully I only use PSN cards and not my CC info. I have used CC with Amazon, but I usually watch my credit cards like a hawk and only use 1 right now.

Still these POS hackers need to get caught and dealt punishment!

[Sawyer]

this fixed yet?

[truth411]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

1. That's not how the firmware update works. If you buy any ps3 games after the release of the firmware update, they will also require you to update to that firmware, even to play in single player mode. Even most of the recent bluray releases require the firmware update to be played. Essentially, if you don't update it becomes a brick.

2. I don't want to mod my ps3. I want it to work as it was advertised to me. I never once said I agreed with the hacking now did I? Please, show me where I did. I said it's having exactly the intended effect of drawing attention. I want them to stop too so I can use my own ps3. My point is, Sony screwed a bunch of customers and that's why this hacking is going on, or at least that's what most of the hackers say is their reasoning.

Half of you don't care because you never used it and most of you probably don't even know what linux is, but I and many others purchased the ps3 specifically for certain uses that it simply can't do anymore. If they removed bluray playback this would be a completely different conversation, but it's exactly the same thing. They didn't make a progressive move to a new, improved version of 'other OS' like the xbox live examples, they completely eliminated the feature with no substitute. There are obviously some people that agree with me considering there have been a total of 8 class action lawsuits filed on the matter and one is still in the process

http://www.ps3news.com/PlayStation-3...lawsuit/page-4

1. OMG!!! You said that altering a systems features after the console is released should be illegal, I pointed out that, that view is totaly obsured considering the Features that have been added to the PS3 for the past 4 years through firmware updates. If you don't recognize that then your lieing to yourself.

2. OH come on!! It did perform exactly as advertised and still do. YOU AGREED to update to the next frimware knowing that OS will be taken away, if it was that improtant to you than you should not have updated. Remeber the Box is yours but you don't own sony's online services and future software until purchase. If you are going to use their services, you have to play by their rules ALL COMPANYS ARE THAT WAY!!. No company allow you to have your cake and eat it too, because it clearly leads to lost revenue for developers and publishers, and online cheating, everybody looses.

3. People will sue about anything these days and most of those lawsuits have been dismissed.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

It doesn't excuse it at all. I'm just getting sick of the rampant hacking on PSN. It has been going on for months now. Server down all the time, accounts getting wiped (including mine), now all this private info has been stolen. . . Obviously there is a serious problem that Sony hasn't fixed and I'm just as annoyed with them as I am with the hackers that continue to succeed in breaking their security. There will always be hackers on any system, but Sony can't seem to handle it at all. I place blame on Sony as well as the hackers.

News flash Since lanch the PS3 has been the most secured system, it was a miracle that it took 4 years before it was hack, and the only reason it was because someone manage to get copyrited code from a Sony dev kit. XBL have been hacked since day one, online cheating was rampant and MS banned millions of consoles accordingly. Its only recently that PSN been subject to hackers, and remeber when XBL crashed for 2 weeks over the Christmas Holidays simply because people bought 360s. Here Sony is doing the right thing by identifying the problem, hireing an external secruity firm, and taking neccesary steps to protect it consumers. I really don't understand your Anti-Sony agenda they have not done anything wrong, its the Hackers thats engaging in Cyber terrisom.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by truth411

News flash Since lanch the PS3 has been the most secured system, it was a miracle that it took 4 years before it was hack, and the only reason it was because someone manage to get copyrited code from a Sony dev kit. XBL have been hacked since day one, online cheating was rampant and MS banned millions of consoles accordingly. Its only recently that PSN been subject to hackers, and remeber when XBL crashed for 2 weeks over the Christmas Holidays simply because people bought 360s. Here Sony is doing the right thing by identifying the problem, hireing an external secruity firm, and taking neccesary steps to protect it consumers. I really don't understand your Anti-Sony agenda they have not done anything wrong, its the Hackers thats engaging in Cyber terrisom.

There has been consistent hacking since 2007, it has just become overwhelming in recently, it hasn't just begun. A bunch of people had personal information stolen in March 2008, just like this, but a smaller number of users. The very first week Home was released, it was hacked. If you have been paying attention since the beginning, ps3 was almost completely hacked in 2006 . This is not the first, or even second time Sony has lost personal information of users to hackers. Like I said before, I don't condone the hacking and it pisses me off too, but Sony is partially responsible for the severity of the rampant hacking on PSN.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by truth411

1. OMG!!! You said that altering a systems features after the console is released should be illegal, I pointed out that, that view is totaly obsured considering the Features that have been added to the PS3 for the past 4 years through firmware updates. If you don't recognize that then your lieing to yourself.

2. OH come on!! It did perform exactly as advertised and still do. YOU AGREED to update to the next frimware knowing that OS will be taken away, if it was that improtant to you than you should not have updated. Remeber the Box is yours but you don't own sony's online services and future software until purchase. If you are going to use their services, you have to play by their rules ALL COMPANYS ARE THAT WAY!!. No company allow you to have your cake and eat it too, because it clearly leads to lost revenue for developers and publishers, and online cheating, everybody looses.

3. People will sue about anything these days and most of those lawsuits have been dismissed.

You gave examples of new, additional features, most that cost extra money and are not nearly replacements for other os. You obviously don't understand what other os was and what it made the ps3 capable of. It is a totally different media tool without it, and it's not what I and many other people payed for. Like I asked before, if they took off bluray playback would you feel the same way? Updating the firmware is necessary to use ANY of the other features of the ps3 over time, other than maybe the browser. Bluray playback, newer games, many require the firmware update. We'll see what the outcome of the merged class-action suit is. For the few people that know how to use linux, it was a big part of the ps3 and it was touted even pre-release as an impressive and innovative feature and was a major reason the system had a $600 price tag at release. If you remember, the US military bought 2,000 PS3's to run other os on as a supercomputer, a nice fact that Sony threw around to sell the ps3.

[CamaroKid300]

Man this Gears of War 3 beta sure is fun to be playing right now....oh how you guys wish you had a 360.

[MAGfuz]

yeah I've actually put Mortal Kombat down to play the Gears 3 beta!

[Mindz]

I'm still playing MK9 and Arkham Asylum on the 360. =)

[brandotron]

Originally Posted by Mindz

I'm still playing MK9 and Arkham Asylum on the 360. =)

I recently busted out Arkham Asylum again. Arkham City will be the end of my social life

[truth411]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

You gave examples of new, additional features, most that cost extra money and are not nearly replacements for other os. You obviously don't understand what other os was and what it made the ps3 capable of. It is a totally different media tool without it, and it's not what I and many other people payed for. Like I asked before, if they took off bluray playback would you feel the same way? Updating the firmware is necessary to use ANY of the other features of the ps3 over time, other than maybe the browser. Bluray playback, newer games, many require the firmware update. We'll see what the outcome of the merged class-action suit is. For the few people that know how to use linux, it was a big part of the ps3 and it was touted even pre-release as an impressive and innovative feature and was a major reason the system had a $600 price tag at release. If you remember, the US military bought 2,000 PS3's to run other os on as a supercomputer, a nice fact that Sony threw around to sell the ps3.

This Entire post is an out-right LIE!! Since you are presenting yourself as the type of person that is makeing stuff up, thus a constructive conversation is not possible. I will only correct 3 points, it would take 3 pages to correct that nonsense you typed on your computer. and Yes I do know What OS was being used for (cheap supercomputing and servers etc..)

Lie #1. OS was not the reason the PS3 was so expensive at all!!! The PS3 initialy cost Sony $860 to make largely thanks to the Bluray drive. Bluray Players back then cost $1,000, new technology and limited bluray diodes drove up the price. The Main reason OS was implimented for the ps3 was an attempt by Sony to make the PS3 MORE AFFORDABLE for Sony through european and other territories tax breaks... (please note that what you posted was an outright, complete and total LIE.)

Lie #2 You don't need a Firmware Update to play back any Bluray films. Bluray specs (PIP, BD Java) has been finalized since 2007.

2. False bluray analogy is not even comparing apples to oranges, but apples to watermelons. Likewise Sony can't Disable the HDD, the Bluray Drive,the CPU, the GPU, The 512MB of Ram etc..and still perform the way it is designed.

Sony didnot advertise the military buying PS3s inorder to sell ps3's, there were news sites that reported the transaction yes. and Guess what those like the military and colleges are still using the PS3 as a cheap super computer and servers since they did not update to the latest firmware. Also in 2009, PS3's with OS were no longer in production when the PS3 slim came to the scene.

3. You continue to avoid the Fact that the SONY (and Microsoft) have been altering features to their console for the Past 4/5 years through firmware updates, I have lost count how many features have been added since launch. Heck the PS3 is now a 3D compatible bluray player in compliance with HDMI 1.4 specs as of late last year. And No one stripe anything from you, You voluntarly gave up OS system when you voluntarly updated to the next firmware. You own the Box but you don't own PSN or Future software until purchase. ALL COMPANYS ARE THAT WAY. and I'm Done... latter..

[Scrappy Doo]

Originally Posted by brandotron

I recently busted out Arkham Asylum again. Arkham City will be the end of my social life

[truth411]

Originally Posted by CamaroKid300

Man this Gears of War 3 beta sure is fun to be playing right now....oh how you guys wish you had a 360.

Thats cool, I have already been in the Killzone 3 beta, Littbigplanet 2 Beta, Infamous 2 Beta (though at present not anymore lol) and Uncharted 3 beta and Resistance 3 beta is comeing latter this year I will pick up Gears 3 when it come out, its nice to have both consoles, my 360 has been collecting dust until Gears 3 comes out

[CamaroKid300]

Originally Posted by truth411

Thats cool, I have already been in the Killzone 3 beta, Littbigplanet 2 Beta, Infamous 2 Beta (though at present not anymore lol) and Uncharted 3 beta and Resistance 3 beta is comeing latter this year I will pick up Gears 3 when it come out, its nice to have both consoles, my 360 has been collecting dust until Gears 3 comes out

I'm not bragging that I have the beta or am participating in it....just bragging that I'm actually being able to play Xbox Live.

[MAGfuz]

Isn't the Resistance 3 beta packaged with socom 4? I think I saw that on the package, as it was the last game I bought (full deployment bundle).

Preordered Gears 3 yesterday! September is a long ways off!

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by truth411

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Lie #2 You don't need a Firmware Update to play back any Bluray films. Bluray specs (PIP, BD Java) has been finalized since 2007.

This is not true, there have been continuous updates to the Blu-ray firmware that Sony includes in their system updates. Yes most films will play but some won't due to updates in copy protection, and other features which is why all blu-ray players request you have some sort of internet connection with them.

[2ndgenz28]

Far as movies go DVDfab is on top of any and all DVD and blueray changes and how to "legaly" defeat them so they work in what ever you own by making a new "legal" copy.

sure lots of similar programs but they actualy work on it daily, with each new change, they make a fix and have a patch out right away.

best money every spent

[8cd03gro]

LOL! You're calling me a liar. That's great.

Originally Posted by truth411

Lie #1. OS was not the reason the PS3 was so expensive at all!!! The PS3 initialy cost Sony $860 to make largely thanks to the Bluray drive. Bluray Players back then cost $1,000, new technology and limited bluray diodes drove up the price. The Main reason OS was implimented for the ps3 was an attempt by Sony to make the PS3 MORE AFFORDABLE for Sony through european and other territories tax breaks... (please note that what you posted was an outright, complete and total LIE.)

Speaking of lies, show me a single credible source, not a post on some forum, that states Sony received tax breaks anywhere in the world by using other os.

Originally Posted by truth411

Lie #2 You don't need a Firmware Update to play back any Bluray films. Bluray specs (PIP, BD Java) has been finalized since 2007.

You are right, that is a lie. . . on your part You DO have to update to play MANY current bluray movies.

http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/3...-Linux-Options

I have seen it myself, on my own ps3, so don't tell me I'm lying.

Originally Posted by truth411

2. False bluray analogy is not even comparing apples to oranges, but apples to watermelons. Likewise Sony can't Disable the HDD, the Bluray Drive,the CPU, the GPU, The 512MB of Ram etc..and still perform the way it is designed.

So you really don't think they could remove or alter the software that enables bluray video playback? I could do it myself with enough time, don't even try to tell me it couldn't EASILY be done by Sony while still maintaining every other function of the ps3. Hell, all they would have to do is remove the codec support and boom, done!

Originally Posted by truth411

Sony didnot advertise the military buying PS3s inorder to sell ps3's, there were news sites that reported the transaction yes. and Guess what those like the military and colleges are still using the PS3 as a cheap super computer and servers since they did not update to the latest firmware. Also in 2009, PS3's with OS were no longer in production when the PS3 slim came to the scene.

They referenced it at e3 as proof of the PS3's hardware power! Not only that, but all the groups that used ps3s for server and computing purposes are hardly using them, or not at all, because when one breaks they won't be fixed by sony without the new firmware being installed and new ones can't be purchased with the old firmware. Look it up.

Originally Posted by truth411

3. You continue to avoid the Fact that the SONY (and Microsoft) have been altering features to their console for the Past 4/5 years through firmware updates, I have lost count how many features have been added since launch. Heck the PS3 is now a 3D compatible bluray player in compliance with HDMI 1.4 specs as of late last year. And No one stripe anything from you, You voluntarly gave up OS system when you voluntarly updated to the next firmware. You own the Box but you don't own PSN or Future software until purchase.

And you continue to ignore the vast difference between adding new applications or replacing old ones with new ones, and completely removing an entire feature of the system. ZOMG the ps3 can now play 3d bluray. That's great. Can it run windows office programs? Can it run multiple programs at once and show multiple, active browser windows? Can I run my streaming trading platforms on it? It could when I walked into bestbuy and purchased it. These are parts of the other os feature, that I and many other people bought the ps3 system to utilize (although not exclusively). Find someone with a ps3 on old enough firmware to run other os and I guarantee you they can't play almost any recent games, many recent bluray, can't use any of the online features, not just PSN (unless jailbroken) it basically becomes a useless machine. Maybe you should check your facts before you go around calling people liars.

[Slick1]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Also this is SONY, suppose to be a giant corp withthe best of the best and board script kiddies can take them down at will.

SONY needs to just deal with it and accept its all their fault.

They left doors open, the hackers just tried ever knob until one turned.

That's like saying it's your fault if your car got keyed because of where you parked. And please don't say it's ANY different cause it's VERY similar. It's dickless wastes of life throwing a bitch tantrum on people that didn't do anything to deserve it.

Originally Posted by CamaroKid300

Man this Gears of War 3 beta sure is fun to be playing right now....oh how you guys wish you had a 360.

I'd rather have nothing then suckbox anyway

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Far as movies go DVDfab is on top of any and all DVD and blueray changes and how to "legaly" defeat them so they work in what ever you own by making a new "legal" copy.

sure lots of similar programs but they actualy work on it daily, with each new change, they make a fix and have a patch out right away.

best money every spent

That's cool and I don't blame you for using that because it only effects you. Matter of fact it's pretty cool. That being said you (or I if I decided to use it) couldn't really complain if using it got us in trouble or banned or whatever cause I'm guessing it's considered pirating.

[PoorMansCamaro]

article i saw on cnn

Officials said they will restore online gameplay for both the PlayStation 3 and PSP later this week, in addition to PlayStation Home, friends list and chat functionality.
Once the PlayStation Network is restored online, users will have to change their account passwords before being able to log into the service. The update will require users to change their passwords on the PS3 on which the account was activated, or through e-mail validation.
To thank customers for their patience and loyalty, Sony announced it would offer PlayStation Network users 30 days free membership in the PlayStation Plus service, which provides access to exclusive games and beta trials for games.
Current subscribers to the PlayStation Plus service will receive an additional 30 days for free.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

LOL! You're calling me a liar. That's great.



Speaking of lies, show me a single credible source, not a post on some forum, that states Sony received tax breaks anywhere in the world by using other os.




You are right, that is a lie. . . on your part You DO have to update to play MANY current bluray movies.

http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/3...-Linux-Options

I have seen it myself, on my own ps3, so don't tell me I'm lying.



So you really don't think they could remove or alter the software that enables bluray video playback? I could do it myself with enough time, don't even try to tell me it couldn't EASILY be done by Sony while still maintaining every other function of the ps3. Hell, all they would have to do is remove the codec support and boom, done!




They referenced it at e3 as proof of the PS3's hardware power! Not only that, but all the groups that used ps3s for server and computing purposes are hardly using them, or not at all, because when one breaks they won't be fixed by sony without the new firmware being installed and new ones can't be purchased with the old firmware. Look it up.



And you continue to ignore the vast difference between adding new applications or replacing old ones with new ones, and completely removing an entire feature of the system. ZOMG the ps3 can now play 3d bluray. That's great. Can it run windows office programs? Can it run multiple programs at once and show multiple, active browser windows? Can I run my streaming trading platforms on it? It could when I walked into bestbuy and purchased it. These are parts of the other os feature, that I and many other people bought the ps3 system to utilize (although not exclusively). Find someone with a ps3 on old enough firmware to run other os and I guarantee you they can't play almost any recent games, many recent bluray, can't use any of the online features, not just PSN (unless jailbroken) it basically becomes a useless machine. Maybe you should check your facts before you go around calling people liars.

I'm at work so I can't post links.

1. a. Yes saying that OS was a major Reason for the PS3 $599 price point was a bold face, straight up lie, It was the Bluray drive and thats undisputable. Thats like if someone said the PS3 is so expensive because it compatible with FAT32 which would be obsured. Sony initialy tried to classify the PS3 as a Computer.
b. Common mis understanding, You don't need an internet connection for basic bluray playback, but you won't be able to use all the features depending when you bluray player was made. But this was a none issue for the PS3 99.9% of the time, lets assume someone did not update late last year but that would mean their PS3 would have received all bluray updates untill that time, so for the PS3 it really is a non issue. I can't post links at the moment, But I am a member of the Bluray forums so Search Bluray Faq.

2. As of Q3/Q4 2009 Ps3 slims were being made and PS3s with OS (PS3 Phat) were no longer in production. Those with PS3 Phats that did not update can still do all you described.

3. You said altering a system features after release should be illegal. But you fail to realise that BOTH adding and taking away features through firmware updates is altering and thats the truth. You own the box, if you wanted to keep OS then you shoould not have updated, its as simple as that. You own the box but you don't own PSN or future software until purchase. (for the hundreth time). Sony was well in the rights to keep people from stealing Games.

edit: I just realised that I used the wrong wording in my previous post, I mean that you don't need an internet connection for bluray playback. If some one took their PS3 offline and did not update as per the discusion late last year then Bluray playback would still be fine 99.9% of the time. Sorry for that point of mis-understanding.