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Old 04-22-2011, 01:38 AM   #1
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Shorties vs. Long tubes

After spending hours trolling,... Im done. While there are many threads around about headers, I cant find one that compares shorties to long tubes in a direct sense.
So, lets hear about the pros and cons of both. Gain comparisions, CELs, installation, ect.

My own Qs are about which gives more gains and is it true that with shorties there is no concern of CELs while with long tubes you will definitly see them?

If there is a thread out there already that makes these "apples to apples" comparisions, then I guess I missed it.
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Old 04-22-2011, 02:37 AM   #2
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Simply put: shorties= less power, NO cel. LT=more power, CEL guaranteed.
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Old 04-22-2011, 05:16 AM   #3
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from personal experience...LT's = CEL and a nice gain also opened the exhaust up even more for a bad ass sounding V6.

really depends on what you want. are you going for maximum gains by keeping it NA or do you just want to pep it up a bit?

a comparison of both is really done from looking at the claims made by the manufacturers with real numbers, shorties are almost always half the HP of LT's. BUT there are a handful of guys on here who started with shorties that can give you a real world comparison and hopefully some dyno numbers along with butt dyno affects.

either way you'll be happy.

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Old 04-22-2011, 06:57 AM   #4
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so with shorties you can put on without doing a tune?
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:09 AM   #5
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I've had BBK T 304 Stainless shorties on my car for over a year. Running through the stock 4 - 600 cell catted mid pipes there is a seat of the pants increase from 3,000 rpm and up. Even more so when coupled with a good CAI. The BBK shorties running through the JBA high flow 200 cell catted mid pipes I had installed at one time there was a seat of the pants increase from idle to 3,000 rpm and an even bigger increase from 3,000 rpm to 6,500. No CEL and I do not have a tune. No doubt long tubes with high flow cats will give a greater PEAK gain than shorties with high flow catted mid pipes, but the long tubes will guarantee a CEL and the need for a tune to eliminate it. If your future includes a cam, supercharger or other major power adding work, the long tubes are the way to go. If you want to retain the stock tune, CAI, high flow catted mid pipes and shorties is about as far as you can go.
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:28 AM   #6
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I've had BBK T 304 Stainless shorties on my car for over a year. Running through the stock 4 - 600 cell catted mid pipes there is a seat of the pants increase from 3,000 rpm and up. Even more so when coupled with a good CAI. The BBK shorties running through the JBA high flow 200 cell catted mid pipes I had installed at one time there was a seat of the pants increase from idle to 3,000 rpm and an even bigger increase from 3,000 rpm to 6,500. No CEL and I do not have a tune. No doubt long tubes with high flow cats will give a greater PEAK gain than shorties with high flow catted mid pipes, but the long tubes will guarantee a CEL and the need for a tune to eliminate it. If your future includes a cam, supercharger or other major power adding work, the long tubes are the way to go. If you want to retain the stock tune, CAI, high flow catted mid pipes and shorties is about as far as you can go.
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even though he's sporting an SS. i don't have a tune on mine right now, plan on it when i get home in a couple months. i'll dyno before and after and post the results to see how what gains are made if any. there is a definite pull though from 3,000 RPM on up, very noticeable.
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Old 04-22-2011, 03:45 PM   #7
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Sorry to say there is no guarantee of no CEL with shorties. I chose shorties to avoid them but made the poor choice of going with JBA (didn't do my homeswork).
They are an inferior design made with poor materials. After following their instrutions to the letter, I still got leaks (both sides) at the "stacker flange" attachment point. They expect a clamp to maintain an air tight seal between the header and the rest of tha exhaust system.

Funny how their shorty header for the V8 has a traditional bolt-together clamp.

So I got a CEL. I was able to seal the leak temporarily with some stuff called "Acousti/seal exhaust system sealinng compound" part #35959 made by Tenneco, but then I had some service done and they had to drop the exhaust. Bye-bye seal, back to square 1!
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i would say shorties are mainly for looks,but you won't need a tune.
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Old 04-22-2011, 04:07 PM   #9
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Tune isn't a requirement for longtubes. If the CEL bothers you a lot, you can get it. I drove mine around for months without a tune and there are others on here that have also run without a tune. I finally went with the tune when I got a nitrous kit.
The tune did make it run slightly smoother(or maybe it was me wanting to feel it) but it didn't give it much more power.
I have the manual, so there was no "tranny tune" for me.
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Old 04-22-2011, 04:10 PM   #10
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Long tube headers are the way to go for maximum power. Check out the American Racing Headers for the V6. I had a first hand look at this system while at CamaroFest II in Phoenix and they are awesome. Go with the headers, high flow cats and the x-pipe center section. This system will need tuning to get the maximum benefit from the headers.

If you decide to go with a set of shorties I would still recommend a tune to get the full benefit of the header, even if you do not get a check engine light.
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Sorry to say there is no guarantee of no CEL with shorties. I chose shorties to avoid them but made the poor choice of going with JBA (didn't do my homeswork).
They are an inferior design made with poor materials. After following their instrutions to the letter, I still got leaks (both sides) at the "stacker flange" attachment point. They expect a clamp to maintain an air tight seal between the header and the rest of tha exhaust system.

Funny how their shorty header for the V8 has a traditional bolt-together clamp.

So I got a CEL. I was able to seal the leak temporarily with some stuff called "Acousti/seal exhaust system sealinng compound" part #35959 made by Tenneco, but then I had some service done and they had to drop the exhaust. Bye-bye seal, back to square 1!

Yeah, had same problem with my JBA shorties, I removed them and returned the stock headers back, not worth the headache and the CEL
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Old 04-22-2011, 04:39 PM   #12
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Also if you live in CA, shorties are your only option.

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Old 04-22-2011, 06:16 PM   #13
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Some great info guys. Thanx.
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Old 04-22-2011, 06:26 PM   #14
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