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Old 02-25-2009, 10:20 AM   #1
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Tap Shift & Manual Stick

What's the difference of those two besides not using the clutch?
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:22 AM   #2
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One is connected to an automatic transmission and the other is connected to a manual transmission.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:23 AM   #3
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Tap shifters are for Nissans!
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Tap Shift is an automatic transmission. You just have buttons on the steering wheel to shift it manually. It still uses a torque converter as a clutch.

Do not confuse this with sequential gear boxes or dual-clutch transmissions found in higer-end sports cars like the BMW-M3, Nissan GTR, some Audi's and VW's as well. Also very common in Ferrari's and Lambo's. These are actually manual gearboxes that automate the activation and deactivation of the clutch.
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In regards on speed, does it even matter?
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:25 AM   #6
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Tap shifters are for Nissans!
The upcoming Camaro (auto) will have one too.
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In regards on speed, does it even matter?

Yes. An auto is generally considerd faster in a strait line. But if you have a really good drive manuals often have more aggressive gearing and can match an auto. Manuals will generally be better cars through the twisties because you can control your rear's speed independantly of the front.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:38 AM   #8
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Tap Shift is an automatic transmission. You just have buttons on the steering wheel to shift it manually. It still uses a torque converter as a clutch.

Do not confuse this with sequential gear boxes or dual-clutch transmissions found in higer-end sports cars like the BMW-M3, Nissan GTR, some Audi's and VW's as well. Also very common in Ferrari's and Lambo's. These are actually manual gearboxes that automate the activation and deactivation of the clutch.
higer-end sports cars like the BMW-M3, Nissan GTR, some Audi's and VW's....and Smart ForTwo's
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My wifes IS350 has tap shifting and it sucks. There is a delay of about a second and a half. You have to set up how far through the gears you want to shift. I've used them once. Just long enough to see how stupid it is.

The thrill of shifting gears was gone for me a long time ago. Auto is just fine and usually faster. Just not as fun sometimes. I wanted the remote start for the A/C here in Alabama it gets pretty hot. Just my .02 though.

You can usually tap shift the stick on the console also by moving it left and right for up and down. I guess to make you feel like your shifting gears manually. I say get a manual or use the auto tranny how it's supposed to be used. Also, a lot of people think the paddle shiffting is bad for the tranny but I don't know.
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Also, a lot of people think the paddle shiffting is bad for the tranny but I don't know.
I've heard that, too. I hope that with a full warranty, etc...GM knows what's good for the transmissions THEY invented.

Just to reiterate what everyone's said here:

The paddle-shifters (TapShift) in the Camaro is just an automatic transmission with the option for manual control. It's NOT like the gearboxes in Ferrari's.

Based on feedback from drivers, Camaro team folks, and some '08+ Corvette drivers, the shift response is actually pretty quick. Of course that's up for debate, but what's for sure is that the computer does not interfere with your shifting: If you want to redline it and bounce off the limiter, it'll let you do that.
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My wifes IS350 has tap shifting and it sucks. There is a delay of about a second and a half. You have to set up how far through the gears you want to shift. I've used them once. Just long enough to see how stupid it is.

The thrill of shifting gears was gone for me a long time ago. Auto is just fine and usually faster. Just not as fun sometimes. I wanted the remote start for the A/C here in Alabama it gets pretty hot. Just my .02 though.

You can usually tap shift the stick on the console also by moving it left and right for up and down. I guess to make you feel like your shifting gears manually. I say get a manual or use the auto tranny how it's supposed to be used. Also, a lot of people think the paddle shiffting is bad for the tranny but I don't know.
I say don't judge the Camaro's tap shift until you use it or have talked to someoe that has used it. Just because tap shift sucks on one make car does not mean it will on the Camaro... I don't think the Camaro's tap shift will have the option of doing from the shifter, I think you have to use the paddles on the steering wheel... toy just put the shifter in manual mode and use the paddles.... Right side shifts up left side shifts down...
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:40 AM   #12
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I ordered it, because I wanted to have that feeling it is a manual at times. I didn't get the manual because I travel 100 miles a day and usually stuck in traffic which becomes a drag when you have a manual. This car will be my daily driver, about 500 miles a week.

I got it for the fun factor!
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I drove a Manual GTO for 2 years in Atlanta which is some of the worst traffic in the country. Newer cars have light clutches so it's really not a good argument.
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I was unsure of the tapshift on the car, so when I was placing my order the sales manager let me take out a new V8 Malibu with the tapshift to see how it felt and it was great! It took a few seconds to get used to shifting from the steering wheel.
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I say don't judge the Camaro's tap shift until you use it or have talked to someoe that has used it. Just because tap shift sucks on one make car does not mean it will on the Camaro... I don't think the Camaro's tap shift will have the option of doing from the shifter, I think you have to use the paddles on the steering wheel... toy just put the shifter in manual mode and use the paddles.... Right side shifts up left side shifts down...
No! Not judging the Camaro, I'm just speculating based on my experience with paddle shifters. I've actually heard that GM does it pretty well but will have to see. You're right though, it's just a toy. Bonnies car has the option of using the 'stick' and works the same way as the paddles on the wheel. I actually can't wait to check them out, but no matter what, I doubt I'll ever use them.
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I was unsure of the tapshift on the car, so when I was placing my order the sales manager let me take out a new V8 Malibu with the tapshift to see how it felt and it was great! It took a few seconds to get used to shifting from the steering wheel.
How was the delay? When you pulled the paddle, how long did it take for the response?
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I was unsure of the tapshift on the car, so when I was placing my order the sales manager let me take out a new V8 Malibu with the tapshift to see how it felt and it was great! It took a few seconds to get used to shifting from the steering wheel.
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How was the delay? When you pulled the paddle, how long did it take for the response?
Ifpq, I did the same thing back in December. I really thought is was great and don't think there was any delay.
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How was the delay? When you pulled the paddle, how long did it take for the response?
I didn't notice a delay. It was alot of fun to drive, my last 4 cars have been manuals and I was looking for an automatic but thought I would miss the manual but now I can't wait to get into my 6 speed automatic.
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Ifpq, I did the same thing back in December. I really thought is was great and don't think there was any delay.
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I didn't notice a delay. It was alot of fun to drive, my last 4 cars have been manuals and I was looking for an automatic but thought I would miss the manual but now I can't wait to get into my 6 speed automatic.
Good to hear. Like I said, I'll probably never use it but it'll be kind of novel to have.
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I've heard that, too. I hope that with a full warranty, etc...GM knows what's good for the transmissions THEY invented.

Just to reiterate what everyone's said here:

The paddle-shifters (TapShift) in the Camaro is just an automatic transmission with the option for manual control. It's NOT like the gearboxes in Ferrari's.

Based on feedback from drivers, Camaro team folks, and some '08+ Corvette drivers, the shift response is actually pretty quick. Of course that's up for debate, but what's for sure is that the computer does not interfere with your shifting: If you want to redline it and bounce off the limiter, it'll let you do that.
What I've read on the G8 boards is that the computer will only interfere to
  1. prevent a downshift that would put it over the redline
  2. keep you from looking dumb by trying to start off any gear but 1st or 2nd.
I can live with that, in fact I'd say it is better than no interference at all.
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Manual give you the control over the car far more then a automatic and is just a lot more fun to drive.

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I drove a Manual GTO for 2 years in Atlanta which is some of the worst traffic in the country. Newer cars have light clutches so it's really not a good argument.
just start having left knee problems like I have and you will quickly change your mind... but otherwise i love a manual for playing hot rod racer...
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My only thing is that my son is turning driving age and all of our vehicles are automatic. I sure would like him to learn to drive a manual. But other than that I'm happy with the auto.
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Good to hear. Like I said, I'll probably never use it but it'll be kind of novel to have.
You say that now... Did you order a stick or an Auto?
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