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Old 05-08-2011, 08:23 PM   #43
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I have weight in on this in other threads. I have to disagree with you Number 3, this Generation can lose near 200 pounds. Lighter non-bling wheels would be a huge area, 18" lighter rims and tires makes the brakes and suspension work better without touching anything else. It removes the need bigger brakes, extra bracing, heavier springs and swaybars. This would keep the weight in check, now pull some sound deadening and put in better lighter seats. I would not limit options for the Z/28 in anyway, if you want to add up a bunch of needless junk to your porky Z28 go right ahead, just don't make me have to buy a Z/28 with 70# 21 inch useless wheels along with power seats and nav. I firmly believe a 3750 lbs Z/28 in base trim is doable
What number 3 said was on the basis of the benefit/cost concept.

Lighter wheels are a great possibility. Say you save 15 lbs per corner with lighter 18" wheels for a total of 60 lbs overall, and the seats MIGHT save 40 lbs because they'll still need to be crash-test compliant seats.....but you can't lose the brakes. Not if you want a track car, and to my knowledge there's not a whole lot of "extra" bracing in the SSs...the sways won't be much effected, because for a track-focused car they'll need to be stiffer (aka thicker)...

200lbs is darn near impossible to do at any reasonable price and STILL pass internal validation tests.

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The Boss is almost 3,700 lbs yet it puts up some supercar numbers. Skidpad, slalom, and braking are unbelievable. Look at the lastest comparisons in June's Road and Track magazine.
Someone's been bitten by the Ford bug....
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:34 AM   #44
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TH400 transmissions in 1970 and yes no AC until 1973 when the lifter change took place. (Mech. to Hyd.)
Sorry about that, I knew that too.......DOH!

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What number 3 said was on the basis of the benefit/cost concept.

Lighter wheels are a great possibility. Say you save 15 lbs per corner with lighter 18" wheels for a total of 60 lbs overall, and the seats MIGHT save 40 lbs because they'll still need to be crash-test compliant seats.....but you can't lose the brakes. Not if you want a track car, and to my knowledge there's not a whole lot of "extra" bracing in the SSs...the sways won't be much effected, because for a track-focused car they'll need to be stiffer (aka thicker)...

200lbs is darn near impossible to do at any reasonable price and STILL pass internal validation tests.



Someone's been bitten by the Ford bug....
Take your Ford bug and stuff it, I am about making the Z/28 a performance car not and fat pig! I apprechate Ford for doing it right on weight and will call out GM (and Chrysler) for getting it WRONG on weight. Why do you think GM spends so much keeping the weight of the Corvette in check at about 3200 lb, would have not made it alot cheaper to just throw the LS9 at the standard Corvette. Of course then you would have ended up with a 3500 lb Corvette by the time all the things that would have been needed to make a fat Corvette work like the ZR1 does. Can you read? I never said to remove the 4 piston Brembos, just that if you pull weight out of the Camaro then the Brembos on the SS will work more efficently and negate the need to put on bigger heavier 6 piston brembos (would make the Z/28 more buyer friendly too) from the CTS-V. I worked with a famous Corvette and Camaro racer from the 1960's, you know what the biggest point to watch out for on a performance car?.......WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 05-10-2011, 04:51 PM   #45
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What number 3 said was on the basis of the benefit/cost concept.

Lighter wheels are a great possibility. Say you save 15 lbs per corner with lighter 18" wheels for a total of 60 lbs overall, and the seats MIGHT save 40 lbs because they'll still need to be crash-test compliant seats.....but you can't lose the brakes. Not if you want a track car, and to my knowledge there's not a whole lot of "extra" bracing in the SSs...the sways won't be much effected, because for a track-focused car they'll need to be stiffer (aka thicker)...

200lbs is darn near impossible to do at any reasonable price and STILL pass internal validation tests.



Someone's been bitten by the Ford bug....
Yes for that kind of performance at $40K it's bit me good, but I'm a Camaro guy. So the only fix is a Boss competitor. I'll call it a Uh um Z28!
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I would think a 3600 pound Z28 would be possible.

Would you pay $75,000 for it?
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:08 PM   #47
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I would think a 3600 pound Z28 would be possible.

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Old 05-12-2011, 10:01 PM   #48
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Take your Ford bug and stuff it.....Can you read?.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think the closest we'll get to a Z/28 in the 5th Gen is a 1SS with full ZL1 suspension and exhaust. Find a way to incorporate a cold air type intake on the LS3 and advertise the power at 440 - 450hp. Manual only. No RS or sunroof.
Further weight reduction would be found in lighter weight wheels and hood.


IF GM could crack 3799 for curb weight it would be a very nice package and worthy of Z28 heritage. Not to mention profitable since this package is mostly current Camaro parts.
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Why no RS?
The 1Gen had the RS package. I really like the sound of "Z28 Rally Sport".
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Further weigh could be reduced by offering the stability control as an option. That way; you save $$$$ and weigh if you do not need it. But I feel that most people drive into the ditch without it on the track. They just not that good!
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Old 06-23-2011, 06:23 PM   #52
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Further weigh could be reduced by offering the stability control as an option. That way; you save $$$$ and weigh if you do not need it. But I feel that most people drive into the ditch without it on the track. They just not that good!
Pretty sure stability control is mandatory on all cars as of 2012 MY. Plus, I doubt it adds any weight at all since it essentially uses the same hardware as antilock brakes, and ABS isn't going anywhere.
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Pretty sure stability control is mandatory on all cars as of 2012 MY. Plus, I doubt it adds any weight at all since it essentially uses the same hardware as antilock brakes, and ABS isn't going anywhere.
Correct.

Now, dumping the ZL1-derived MR, and replacing it with an "enhanced" FE4 would save some pork...
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The SS and ZL1 will always be the top GM camaro's Z28 was always lower and will always be lower then the SS. That is why CHEVY uses SS on all its high end vehicles Ex. Cobalt SS, Trail Blazer SS, Impala SS, and many more SS models
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The SS and ZL1 will always be the top GM camaro's Z28 was always lower and will always be lower then the SS. That is why CHEVY uses SS on all its high end vehicles Ex. Cobalt SS, Trail Blazer SS, Impala SS, and many more SS models
I disagree. I'd say that GM considers the Z28 to be superior to the Camaro SS. They used 'SS' on their mainstream, every day V8 powered Camaro for the 5th gen. Thats fine, but what the move also says is that they don't consider 'Z28' to be a mainstream, everyday V8 Camaro.
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