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Old 02-25-2009, 06:25 PM   #1
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Letter to Obama suggests Steve Jobs to head GM, Chrysler

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General Motors and Chrysler don't make products that people want to buy
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Back in November, a New York Times columnist thought it would be a good idea for Apple CEO Steve Jobs to come to the auto industry's rescue. Jobs is worshiped by many in the tech world, and many feel that he pretty much saved Apple in the 1990s. But thinking that a brilliant tech guy can right the ship at struggling automakers could possibly be called a stretch. Well, Spark Capital founder Todd Dagres doesn't think so, as evidenced by his recent open letter to President Barack Obama.

Dagres, like many financial analysts, feels that the auto industry is worth saving, if only to keep its high paying jobs and stave off a deeper nationwide recession. He understands that market conditions helped cause the auto industry's current struggles, but says General Motors and Chrysler don't make products that people want to buy. He feels Steve Jobs could step in and provide design and product leadership that could help return a combined General Motors/Chrysler to their former glory.

Steve Jobs has been nothing short of heroic during his second tenure with Apple, but comparing his Cupertino-based company to GM and Chrysler is like comparing Apple to oranges. For instance, GM still builds its own engines, transmissions and many other components that make up their automobiles. Apple doesn't make its own processors, motherboards, graphics cards, hard drives or disc drives. In other words, the two industries are far too different for Jobs – or any other tech guy – to make a difference. Dagres argument is also predicated on the assumption that GM and Chrysler are selling vehicles that people don't want to buy. While that may be true to an extent with Chrysler, GM's lineup is chock full of competitive products. To simply say they're not what people want is willfully ignoring the countless other reasons for not buying a new car during a recession.

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Old 02-25-2009, 07:12 PM   #2
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All our cars/ trucks are General Motors or Chrysler............
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:21 PM   #3
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NOOOO!!!!!!! NOT STEVE JOBS!!!!! I HATE Apple. If GM is controlled by GM...my life would be torn apart...GM is for real men, not hippy-lenscrafters-black turtleneck wearing idiots, typing on their MacBooks and answering calls with their iPhones...GODD!!!!!
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:32 PM   #4
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....you guys know Apple is about the most successfull company on earth, right?




Steve jobs is amazing at what he does.
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:45 PM   #5
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but imagine what all american cars would look like if designed by the apple people..... they could either be sleek and sexy, or bubbly and cute. he also seems to practice not offering any options whatsoever, you either get a macbook or a macbook pro both are built the way he says so. imagine that in the car world.....

either way i highly doubt steve knows anything about cars, let him stick to computers
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Old 02-25-2009, 08:56 PM   #6
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Old 02-25-2009, 09:39 PM   #7
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My wife is a mac freak. My father-in-law makes regular sacrifices at the Holy Altar of Apple. Honestly, Jobs could take a dump in a little white case and he would pay hundreds of dollars to own it. Me, not so much. I had a really bad experience with my ipod - the battery died prematurely while it was still under the original warranty, the Apple guy at the misnamed "Genius Bar" said he couldn't find anything wrong with it, but if I bought an extended warranty he was sure he could find something, wink wink - and I wanted an ipod touch but everyone I tried at the Apple store crashed within seconds of me picking it up.

Anyway, you get this a lot in the business world - some B-school grads who got the diploma but really didn't learn anything try to justify their education by picking the "hot" company of the day and saying everyone should be just like them.

One last thing - you know how to erase 30% of Apple's market value? Post a rumor that Jobs died and watch the share price plummet. Steve is Apple, and without his charisma (that's all it is, really) Apple is just another company. People don't actually like the product. They like the image and marketing that Steve sells.
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Old 02-25-2009, 09:42 PM   #8
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letter to Obama....

HHAHAHAHAHA

I didn't vote for him, so do not blame his BS on me!!!

Hope you enjoy the over 1 trillion of your tax money he has already spent on BS..
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Old 02-25-2009, 09:44 PM   #9
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Personally I agree with Gator Blue and I also believe that Jobs would be smart enough to surround himself with CAR guys and run the business aspect of GM and let the car guys do cars!! Imagine all the tech etc in GM cars and how profitable he could turn the company into!! That would rock!! PS STOOVT001 dude your trippin on acid if you think people don't like apple products!!! I have iMac, iPod and Iphone and migrated that way because they are the best at what they do!!! PC (piece of crap) Zune lame and weak, other phones can not hold a candle to the iphone , believe me I have had ALLLLLLOOOOOT!!! Steve Charisma and outlook about his products and customer base is an added plus! Apple products do what they say seamless and flawless , with simple intuitiveness unlike others! If GM made cars that were intuitive, and were seamless like that they wouldn't be in there situation!
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Personally I agree with Gator Blue and I also believe that Jobs would be smart enough to surround himself with CAR guys and run the business aspect of GM and let the car guys do cars!! Imagine all the tech etc in GM cars and how profitable he could turn the company into!! That would rock!! PS STOOVT001 dude your trippin on acid if you think people don't like apple products!!! I have iMac, iPod and Iphone and migrated that way because they are the best at what they do!!! PC (piece of crap) Zune lame and weak, other phones can not hold a candle to the iphone , believe me I have had ALLLLLLOOOOOT!!! Steve Charisma and outlook about his products and customer base is an added plus! Apple products do what they say seamless and flawless , with simple intuitiveness unlike others! If GM made cars that were intuitive, and were seamless like that they wouldn't be in there situation!





Do some of you really think apple would be designing cars? Its just the CEO, apple isnt buying out GM.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:49 PM   #11
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Yea I don't think they see the BIG picture.... he would just take wagoners job and run it like he runs apple...CAR guys would run the design, and creation of cars!
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:21 PM   #12
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These are 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT industries!!

Do they really want Steve Jobs if he approved of this??
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:02 AM   #13
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Apple is NOT one of the most successful companies ever! They just happen to have invented something called an Ipod which created a trend that will just not die.

They are too liberal and hippy for me, not to mention stealing the PC processor (I know windows stole the Mac GUI) because, duh, it is better.

Also, Jobs is terminally ill with cancer and will probably not be in any shape to run any sort of program.
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:06 AM   #14
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Are those the real headlights?? Is ABL going to be included on the dash??
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Jobs will be around for a long time my friend
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:15 AM   #16
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Apple is NOT one of the most successful companies ever! They just happen to have invented something called an Ipod which created a trend that will just not die.

They are too liberal and hippy for me, not to mention stealing the PC processor (I know windows stole the Mac GUI) because, duh, it is better.

Also, Jobs is terminally ill with cancer and will probably not be in any shape to run any sort of program.
How do you personificate an electronic device as being liberal or hippy? I don't like apple either but that is just stupid, whatever floats the consumer's boat. Where are all these people coming out of the wood work? Get rid of all these stereotypes for christ sake. As a matter of fact, isn't old stereotypes half the reason everyone thinks GM needs new management?
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Apple is NOT one of the most successful companies ever! They just happen to have invented something called an Ipod which created a trend that will just not die.

They are too liberal and hippy for me, not to mention stealing the PC processor (I know windows stole the Mac GUI) because, duh, it is better.

Also, Jobs is terminally ill with cancer and will probably not be in any shape to run any sort of program.
Are you kidding?



Apple might be the best run company in the world. They have the best products, the best help, the best stores, the best ads and they are ALWAYS improving, coming out with something new.



I dont agree with everything Obama has done, like his "bi-partisan BS " but this was a good move. Jobs would be one of the best in the buisness to oversee this whole thing, and the fact that he is an outsider from a great company will affect how positively the public will view this.
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Apple is NOT one of the most successful companies ever! They just happen to have invented something called an Ipod which created a trend that will just not die.

They are too liberal and hippy for me, not to mention stealing the PC processor (I know windows stole the Mac GUI) because, duh, it is better.

Also, Jobs is terminally ill with cancer and will probably not be in any shape to run any sort of program.
And Apple stole the mouse and Mac GUI from Xerox.
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I'm gonna say no. He may be a good business man with what he does. Personally i hate all of his products with the exception of itunes and i wouldn't wanna risk his effing it all up, cause the easy excuse would be "well how was i supposed to know." I'd rather have someone who is supposed to know.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:29 AM   #21
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Only issue I can really lodge against the information in the OP is this:

The Big Three have a 51% market share...how does that qualify as "General Motors and Chrysler don't make products that people want to buy?" There's only three of them...but there's more than 5 prominant import companies (last time I counted)..... I hate it when people say that (not you MM, it was obviously a quote)...it's so dumb.

Since that was the basis of the author's argument, that Steve Jobs is needed to improve product....he's an idiot, and wrong. No Steve Jobs
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I personally hate macs. I don't think there is a single product apple has that someone else isn't doing better.

That being said, I think Jobs is a marketing genius. Thats the exact type of person GM needs leading them right now. They have reliable, fuel efficient products. They have products that many people would be suprised to learn they would actually really want. But for some reason, GM is not even attempting to market a single product they have. The only products getting attention are the Corvette, Camaro, and Volt- cars that generate their own attention without effort.

If GM had someone like Jobs leading them who has proven to run multiple successful marketing campaigns, who could also put a positive spin on GM, I think we would see this company turn around faster than any of us could imagine.
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I personally hate macs. I don't think there is a single product apple has that someone else isn't doing better.

That being said, I think Jobs is a marketing genius. Thats the exact type of person GM needs leading them right now. They have reliable, fuel efficient products. They have products that many people would be suprised to learn they would actually really want. But for some reason, GM is not even attempting to market a single product they have. The only products getting attention are the Corvette, Camaro, and Volt- cars that generate their own attention without effort.

If GM had someone like Jobs leading them who has proven to run multiple successful marketing campaigns, who could also put a positive spin on GM, I think we would see this company turn around faster than any of us could imagine.
Apple is also one of the worst companies when it comes to screwing customers over (for example charging first gen iPod touch owners $ to get the applications later shipped for free on later devices).

But his Reality Distortion Field is unparalleled. Sadly for the electronics and computer industry, he probably won't live to see 2010.
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:26 AM   #24
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But for some reason, GM is not even attempting to market a single product they have.
I agree with you that they need more marketing...however, the reason they aren't....is because of $$$. Something not even Steve Jobs could fix right now...they don't have the money to spend on huge marketing campaigns: their marketing budget was slashed dramatically recently as part of the survival effort. :(

Rest assured, though -- upon release, the Camaro will get it's time in the advertising spotlight (so says GM).
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Apple is the only stock I have that is still above water, all the others have tanked. I got an iMac after only using pc's. It took me a little while for the transition, but it's an awesome computer and very user friendly. Apple has come out with a lot of the new technology 1st which gives the rest of the companies some competition. Good for business, I think.
I hope the best for Steve Jobs and hope he comes through this illness ok. Without him at the helm, I'm not sure what's going to happen.
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