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Old 02-27-2009, 08:21 AM   #226
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I think we all agree GM has got a fantastic car here that can really help turn them around.
Agreed- it is a fantastic car. Disagreed it can really help turn them around. It'll take a lot more than the Camaro for GM to stop losing $9.6 BILLION a quarter. They said on this morning's news that last year's total losses equate to GM losing over $3800 per car. The Camaro can't stop that.
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I would have to say that the Camaro would help them but i don't think it would be enuff for them to start making money.... only time will tell
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:43 AM   #228
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Thank you Camaro Scotty for the info and post!!! You have made many valuable posts with great info to this site and I want you to know that your input is truly appreciated!!! If I lived up north, I'd been in your dealership in a heartbeat (no pun intended from old commercials). Thanks again!!
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Excellent... at least the Door Panels are lit. Not many cars have that. Dash has guage lights anyway. Thanks Scotty for the info
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Excellent... at least the Door Panels are lit. Not many cars have that. Dash has guage lights anyway. Thanks Scotty for the info
That's what I'm thinking too. Don't get me wrong; I don't think it's even close to the same effect as the ABL on the dash, but I will admit to owning a couple Toyotas (still have one now) and the interiors at night are/were just plain boring. The only illumination was on the dash and a few tiny switches at best, and on my Martix (gone a while now) there was no other illumination except the gauges. I think a little ABL on the doors is better than nothing and hope they can get it worked out for the rest of the dash eventually. It'll stink for those of you who are buying now if it comes out next year or something, but that's out of everone's control. It looks like there are going to be accessories from GM to add/change ABL in other areas of the interior, so that might make up a little for lack of ABL on the dash
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:17 AM   #231
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Yeah you will still have the Crybabies that either want it all over or they will cancel their orders. Which I don't understand.. It is one SMALL element of a totally GREAT car. so if anything had to be dropped from the concept to the production version, this is a very minor item... Remenber at first you had to order the interior dressup kit to get it now it will be STANDARD on all 2LT and 2SS cars... FROM THE START OF PRODUCTION!!!

So you guys that want it or else, go ahead and cancel your orders, that will mean everyone behind you will be bumped up and some that missed their dealer's allocations will get thieir cars...
I think that's funny. If the only reason someone was going to buy this car was for the ABL, they don't deserve to own a Camaro anyway.
If they took away something else, like the heated mirrors or heated seat, or any other comfort feature, it wouldn't change a thing for me. I'm getting my Camaro. I am, however, glad we got at least part of the ABL.
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I think that's funny. If the only reason someone was going to buy this car was for the ABL, they don't deserve to own a Camaro anyway.
If they took away something else, like the heated mirrors or heated seat, or any other comfort feature, it wouldn't change a thing for me. I'm getting my Camaro. I am, however, glad we got at least part of the ABL.
You know - I think it's important to try to keep in mind that these are little things that just add up. Do you guys remember when the fuel door issue was the hot topic? I think it's good to vent and let it be known there is a demand for something as cool as this feature is/was. Protesting and negativity isn't going to change much but I think it's definately a good thing to post up in threads like this. It helped with the blue and SS didn't it. I just hope that members who aren't as passionate about ABL can keep from deminishing the feelings of those who are. I have the same passion about the Z28. I'm less vocal now about it, but I can totally see why so many express their feelings about the ABL. Let's not be unappreciative of getting Camaro back, but let's be civil, on both sides.

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You know - I think it's important to try to keep in mind that these are little things that just add up. Do you guys remember when the fuel door issue was the hot topic? I think it's good to vent and let it be known there is a demand for something as cool as this feature is/was. Protesting and negativity isn't going to change much but I think it's definately a good thing to post up in threads like this. It helped with the blue and SS didn't it. I just hope that members who aren't as passionate about ABL can keep from deminishing the feelings of those who are. I have the same passion about the Z28. I'm less vocal now about it, but I can totally see why so many express their feelings about the ABL. Let's not be unappreciative of getting Camaro back, but let's be civil, on both sides.

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It could be a reflection bt I think that is the one we've seen in the video with the orange ABL in it. In any case, I had a 2SS ordered with the IOM interior which costs almost $500 more but changed the order to a 1SS black interior after the announcement of no ABL in the front dash. If on Saturday they can show the orange interior looking good without the lighting, then maybe I switch back. However it is going to take a lot of convincing.

Here is a photoshop of the Camaro black interior with some red ambient lighting not turned on perhaps. A pretty neat concept and sharp looking interior like this..
Dude, That is awesome looking. Nice job.
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The interior looks pretty cool. Do you know if the camaro will have a push button start engine?
No. I was really hoping for keyless ignition. That feature grew on me like you can't beleive with my wifes car. But sadly, not gonna happen.

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You know - I think it's important to try to keep in mind that these are little things that just add up. Do you guys remember when the fuel door issue was the hot topic? I think it's good to vent and let it be known there is a demand for something as cool as this feature is/was. Protesting and negativity isn't going to change much but I think it's definately a good thing to post up in threads like this. It helped with the blue and SS didn't it. I just hope that members who aren't as passionate about ABL can keep from deminishing the feelings of those who are. I have the same passion about the Z28. I'm less vocal now about it, but I can totally see why so many express their feelings about the ABL. Let's not be unappreciative of getting Camaro back, but let's be civil, on both sides.

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Old 02-27-2009, 10:58 AM   #235
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I think you're confused... the fabric inserts are only on the base versions of the cars, which wouldn't include the lighting anyways. If you have a car that is getting ambient lighting, then you are still getting the plastic kick-ass looking panels... not the fabric ones.
How do you know? So far every 2SS that is on the streets has fabric inserts so it's not looking good for the acrylic.

And as far as the comments "well I'm just glad to finally have one..". Sounds peachy now, but when your neighbor buys one 6 months later and has ABL, HSTS and HUD for the same price you're going to feel a little shittty.
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Old 02-27-2009, 12:35 PM   #236
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My comments were valid in regards to the market in 72 82 92 2002.

The last year (57 in the case of single head lights) (67) were usually even to the 1st year in used value.

Even IF the 2011 CAMARO is the last one, no one with a 2010 need worry about less value because it has no dash ABL.
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Old 02-27-2009, 12:40 PM   #237
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How do you know? So far every 2SS that is on the streets has fabric inserts so it's not looking good for the acrylic.

And as far as the comments "well I'm just glad to finally have one..". Sounds peachy now, but when your neighbor buys one 6 months later and has ABL, HSTS and HUD for the same price you're going to feel a little shittty.
It won't be the same price...if production costs go up, so does Invoice, and so does MSRP.

My $0.02, let's see the pictures before this goes any further...
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Old 02-27-2009, 12:47 PM   #239
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It won't be the same price...if production costs go up, so does Invoice, and so does MSRP.

My $0.02, let's see the pictures before this goes any further...
Agreed- Saturday IS tomorrow afterall. I would really rather see VIDEO for those going out there. I believe I read Scott is holding an "early" showing for some members here. If you are one of those lucky people, see if you can get them to turn the "house" lights off during filming so we can get a feel for the real overall effect...
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Has anyone seen any pics of the inferno orange interior?
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:56 PM   #243
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I can't say I have any emotion one way or another about this development. I'd really have to see the car with lighting only on the door trim. It looks badass with the lighting, and it looks badass without it. One the other hand, it might seem awkward that the illuminated trim that wraps the car doesn't illuminate everywhere. One thing I've been thinking about doing is having custom leather done, with dark grey suede on the seats. I've also been thinking I might also have the suede applied to the trim to cover the plastic, so this development might make that decision a little more worth it.
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Right, now we need GM to make HD Radio STANDARD (after all, this is a 2010 model) and at least a NAV screen option... Also, making that 3rd rear middle seat a bump, instead of a real seat is just plain silly -- the car should have easily been a 5-seater! I am also hoping for top-notch iPhone integration. I have never heard if the 3-point strut tower brace is being offered standard on the SS -- anyone know?
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As for the 3rd seat in the rear...Have you sat back there? I have. There isn't enough room for 3 seats. I seem to remember the specs saying that there is 46" or so of hip room in the rear. That's not much unless you are talking kids or small women.
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My two cents on the whole thing...

When I first laid eyes on the concept, it wasn't just the sharp exterior styling that caught my eye, but that big swath of ABL was simply arresting. The total package just worked inside and out. When production was first announced, in my mind I was thinking that if they keep it as close to the concept as possible, I was buying that car. I wouldn't even consider anything else.

When the pricing and options were announced, I thought it was a bit much. The options list was pretty restrictive and getting a car with ABL and leather was going to require the 2LT package. I didn't want anything else that came with the 2LT, but I figured it would be worth it to get the ABL and the leather. But the price was a bit more than I wanted to pay, and that's when I started thinking about giving the competition a chance.

Now that the full ABL isn't going to be offered, I don't have any reason to get the 2LT except for the leather, and I'm not shelling out that much for just leather seats. So at the least, if I do get a Camaro, GM is getting a couple thousand less out of me. But moreso than that...the dash and door panel plastic was underwhelming IMHO, but the full ABL made up for that. Without it, the interior now doesn't have any advantage over the competition. In fact, I daresay the new Mustang's interior looks better, and the Genesis coupe could give it a run for its money.

So whereas a year ago I was going to buy a Camaro without question, all of the competition is now on the table and I'm going to drive each competitor and work from there. The Camaro still has advantages with its exterior styling and power, but pricing, options, and interior quality is dropping its stock in my eyes.
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The 2SS/RS at the Toronto Auto show had the fabric inserts and they were quite disappointing. Not that I don't want to believe you, but are you sure that a 2SS will get the acrylic inserts?
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It'll take more than Camaro for GM to stop losing $9.6 BILLION a quarter. They said on the news last year's total losses equate to GM losing $3800 per car. Camaro can't stop that.
It would help offset that if all you guys would be willing to pay $5K over MSRP for your Camaros.



(I know the dealers would get the extra money - not GM. No need to correct me on that.)
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I see a lot of fabric inserts on 2SS's out there...if there is not going to be acrylic on the 2SS can we PLEASE at least get matching leather??? Come on GM...you can do it.
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The interior looks pretty cool. Do you know if the camaro will have a push button start engine?
As a huge disappointment to myself no it doesn't have a push button start...
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