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Old 02-26-2009, 06:05 PM   #151
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I am going to laugh so hard if the interior looks just like concept, but only doors light up. Oh man, that's going to irk me and I'll always feel like I'll have to explain it to everyone who sits in my car..."notice the doors light up, but the light stops when it reaches dash?...no not really....oh well GM f'd up, it was supposed to go all around.....oh, i wouldn't have noticed until you told me.....yeah I know that's my OCD kicking in"
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So what is your ever growing list? Just curious.

Also, how many people have actually seen ABL in person? I guess I mean who actually knows what doors only looks like relative to doors and I/P. I haven't seen it and I've seen an awful lot of Camaros. So even I won't know the difference. Will only be able to imagine it.
ABL - not what we rightly or wrongly thought we were going to be getting
Stripe package - hood thing and limited factory install colors
Hurst Shifter - may not be available as an LPO or RPO
GFX - not body color matching
HUD -not available in the first production year if at all
Prices for GM accessories are out to lunch.

I know that most of these things can be addressed by after market add ons or some other after market process such as painting, etc. For the average guy/gal buying this as his/her daily driver it doesn't matter, he/she will drive it for a few years and sell it to upgrade and there is nothing wrong with that. I am buying this as a keeper/collector and it probably won't see more 2000 miles a year. It may never be worth anymore than what I pay for it the day it is new, but one thing is for certain, painting and modding kills its collector value. Watch Barrett & Jackson and see the difference between what an all original 67 Camaro fetches price wise and one that is not.

The new Camaro is a great car, but if the 2011 model comes with all the bells and whistles, this could hurt the collector value of the 2010, making it less desirable.
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gonna be hard to have ambient lighting in a car that bankruptcy will kill.
Oh now that is just down right hateful!
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The new Camaro is a great car, but if the 2011 model comes with all the bells and whistles, this could hurt the collector value of the 2010, making it less desirable.
And the new Administration, Congress, and CAFE could kill the car after this year... ( well, it could ). Then you'd have one of the only 5th gen Camaros. How much would it be worth then?

All I'm saying is enjoy it for what it is- something we haven't had for almost 8 years.
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thanks scott. haha this just may push me from a 2LT RS to a 1SS.. not a bad trade off if you ask me aha.
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And the new Administration, Congress, and CAFE could kill the car after this year... ( well, it could ). Then you'd have one of the only 5th gen Camaros. How much would it be worth then?

All I'm saying is enjoy it for what it is- something we haven't had for almost 8 years.
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If they do not reduce the price because of the door-only situation regarding the ABL, do you think they would alter the price of the Interior Orange package, seeing that the orange ABL is the prominant feature of this optional package? How do the people who ordered the accent package feel about the door-only ABL announcement?
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:25 PM   #159
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:27 PM   #160
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The new Camaro is a great car, but if the 2011 model comes with all the bells and whistles, this could hurt the collector value of the 2010, making it less desirable.
Not necessarily... the 2010 will still mark the "return" of the next-gen Camaro. Some people will dig that, and want one of the "first runs"... maybe?

I don't care. I'm getting it anyways. The possible features for next year, I've decided, do not interest me.
  • HUD is not that cool (I just don't get the big deal about it). I can see my speedometer just fine, without it being shoved in my face as a dancing distraction on the windshield.
  • The reverse sensing (although I wanted it at first) adds those ugly dots on your bumper. With a car that looks this good, I don't want to put anything I don't like on the exterior.
  • And ambient lighting... well, I fell in love with this car when I saw the exterior... any cool stuff on the interior is just a bonus, to me.
Just my opinion...

Plus, the current scare of the financial state of GM, coupled with CAFE, etc... I know it's not probable, but it is still slightly possible... and I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to own the car I've been drooling over for years. No sitting around and waiting this time... that's what happened when I decided I wanted to get a 4th gen... then look what happened...
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DEI sells a universal reverse sensing add on. DEFI makes huds.. (they kinda blow though) and a 6 piece flex tube motorcycle or interior LED kit.

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I hang out with the low riders sometimes and you should see some of the stuff they do to interiors. Those glow strings etc. Glow wire. Lava lamps etc.
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:34 PM   #162
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Plus, the current scare of the financial state of GM, coupled with CAFE, etc... I know it's not probable, but it is still slightly possible... and I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to own the car I've been drooling over for years. No sitting around and waiting this time... that's what happened when I decided I wanted to get a 4th gen... then look what happened...
This is why I went ahead and ordered mine about 9 months earlier than I was going to. Probably wouldn't happen, but certainly could.

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If they do not reduce the price because of the door-only situation regarding the ABL, do you think they would alter the price of the Interior Orange package, seeing that the orange ABL is the prominant feature of this optional package? How do the people who ordered the accent package feel about the door-only ABL announcement?
I ordered the IO interior with the accent trim package. Would have been kinda cool but being in the doors is fine with me. I'm not a GM fanboy. I just really like this car. I'm finally in the position to get a car for myself and I didn't like the 4th Gen at all but I had a 73' in HS 20 yrs. ago so this is perfect.
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personally i VERY dissapointed. Ill still keep my order as is, but some kind of Camaro candy in return from GM would be nice. N kind of expected to be honest..
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GM has to sell MANY more Camaros than will be bought by enthusiasts. If any of us don't buy this car because of this, I don't think it will dent sales of this car hardly at all. I certainly see where some are pissed and I'm NOT saying they shouldn't be. I'm just not bothered by it and I hope that those who are can find some peace with it because I think they will be happy with the car as a whole. But I beleive there are some that would still be pissed, even if GM gave them adequate money off.
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I'll miss the complete ABL and HUD, ect... But I can barely wait the next couple of months for this car much less another year, so I'm buying regardless and I'll trade when the added features make it worth my while. Hope it doesn't look to toady without the dash ABL though.
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I don't think that it's the LED's that are the problem.

Heat is, most likely, the issue. Over time and with extreme temperatures, the gap between the LED strip and the dash may warp. Having lights in there will only point out these warps...

Not having the light strip in there will "hide" the gap. Having that gap backlit will just accentuate the warping.
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Not necessarily... the 2010 will still mark the "return" of the next-gen Camaro. Some people will dig that, and want one of the "first runs"... maybe?

I don't care. I'm getting it anyways. The possible features for next year, I've decided, do not interest me.
  • HUD is not that cool (I just don't get the big deal about it). I can see my speedometer just fine, without it being shoved in my face as a dancing distraction on the windshield.
  • The reverse sensing (although I wanted it at first) adds those ugly dots on your bumper. With a car that looks this good, I don't want to put anything I don't like on the exterior.
  • And ambient lighting... well, I fell in love with this car when I saw the exterior... any cool stuff on the interior is just a bonus, to me.
Just my opinion...

Plus, the current scare of the financial state of GM, coupled with CAFE, etc... I know it's not probable, but it is still slightly possible... and I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to own the car I've been drooling over for years. No sitting around and waiting this time... that's what happened when I decided I wanted to get a 4th gen... then look what happened...
+1 on all of that. I have nothing more to add because that's a great sum up of the what the Camaro should be about.
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Then you will have to just get one before it happens ...
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The 2SS was always getting the ambient lighting. There is no interior package. RS package is external only.
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well i have to say 'boooo' for this one. i am very disappointed to see a feature unique to Camaro get pulled so close to production. While I've heard all of the "we want the car to be perfect speeches" for the last 3 years, it is getting tiresome watching features still getting dropped/delayed at this stage in the game. Those fabric inserts are a joke. At least put some brushed aluminum panels in there. I guess the 3 year wait for this car wasn't long enough to properly engineer a couple LED's.
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Not necessarily... the 2010 will still mark the "return" of the next-gen Camaro. Some people will dig that, and want one of the "first runs"... maybe?

I don't care. I'm getting it anyways. The possible features for next year, I've decided, do not interest me.
  • HUD is not that cool (I just don't get the big deal about it). I can see my speedometer just fine, without it being shoved in my face as a dancing distraction on the windshield.
  • The reverse sensing (although I wanted it at first) adds those ugly dots on your bumper. With a car that looks this good, I don't want to put anything I don't like on the exterior.
  • And ambient lighting... well, I fell in love with this car when I saw the exterior... any cool stuff on the interior is just a bonus, to me.
Just my opinion...

Plus, the current scare of the financial state of GM, coupled with CAFE, etc... I know it's not probable, but it is still slightly possible... and I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to own the car I've been drooling over for years. No sitting around and waiting this time... that's what happened when I decided I wanted to get a 4th gen... then look what happened...
First year cars are ALWAYS worth less because they always have issues. This is GM we are talking about, IT WILL HAVE ISSUES.
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well i have to say 'boooo' for this one. i am very disappointed to see a feature unique to Camaro get pulled so close to production. While I've heard all of the "we want the car to be perfect speeches" for the last 3 years, it is getting tiresome watching features still getting dropped/delayed at this stage in the game. Those fabric inserts are a joke. At least put some brushed aluminum panels in there. I guess the 3 year wait for this car wasn't long enough to properly engineer a couple LED's.
I think you're confused... the fabric inserts are only on the base versions of the cars, which wouldn't include the lighting anyways. If you have a car that is getting ambient lighting, then you are still getting the plastic kick-ass looking panels... not the fabric ones.
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Just a note, I will be at the show. Actually, Fbod has arranged for a preview 2 hours early for us.

I will be taking both my camera and camcorder and will post both on Saturday evening or night.
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imagine that.... Thanks to Scotty and camaro5, I learned the straight poop ont the ABL and not my from dealer. Huh.....
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this is not a problem at all. besides there are plenty of tool makers or auto workers can make it happen, they can do whatever u want to make sure it will happen to your lovely camaro interior or exterior. the point is, soon or later u will get camaro 2010, it is still lovely, isnt it?
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