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Old 02-26-2009, 10:32 PM   #201
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If it's part of an ABL thread on this website, believe me, we already have...

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Old 02-26-2009, 10:39 PM   #202
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Yes but it doesnt look right. The lighting isnt even throughout the panel.
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Maybe it's the paint type in the panel? And there is no light on? That's why the shine is off in the shadowed area. Could be the apeal and advantage of the IO with the trim package.

The more I look at that pic the more I don't think there is light in the dash panel.
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My two cents on the whole thing...

When I first laid eyes on the concept, it wasn't just the sharp exterior styling that caught my eye, but that big swath of ABL was simply arresting. The total package just worked inside and out. When production was first announced, in my mind I was thinking that if they keep it as close to the concept as possible, I was buying that car. I wouldn't even consider anything else.

When the pricing and options were announced, I thought it was a bit much. The options list was pretty restrictive and getting a car with ABL and leather was going to require the 2LT package. I didn't want anything else that came with the 2LT, but I figured it would be worth it to get the ABL and the leather. But the price was a bit more than I wanted to pay, and that's when I started thinking about giving the competition a chance.

Now that the full ABL isn't going to be offered, I don't have any reason to get the 2LT except for the leather, and I'm not shelling out that much for just leather seats. So at the least, if I do get a Camaro, GM is getting a couple thousand less out of me. But moreso than that...the dash and door panel plastic was underwhelming IMHO, but the full ABL made up for that. Without it, the interior now doesn't have any advantage over the competition. In fact, I daresay the new Mustang's interior looks better, and the Genesis coupe could give it a run for its money.

So whereas a year ago I was going to buy a Camaro without question, all of the competition is now on the table and I'm going to drive each competitor and work from there. The Camaro still has advantages with its exterior styling and power, but pricing, options, and interior quality is dropping its stock in my eyes.
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When you get the IOM interior, the rings are red, this one had blue rings for some odd reason. It was at a recent autoshow.
GTO, i think i confused you, i meant to add a question mark after the rice burner, my point was that people being upset over the ABL doesnt mean that they should go and buy a rice burner. Second, when i was at the autoshow, the rep showed me a page that clearly stated under 2lt and 2ss, Ambient Lighting. 3rd, every unveil that weve seen, and the LA one is proof, they had their renderingsa on huge boards showing it off, they even spoke about it. So dont jump at me. And WTF does dont plea to Scott mean? Explain yourself
The video where the ABL flickers is in the Dubai video
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There is no light in that dash panel. Blow the pic up and look closely. I'm totaly jazzed if that's the orange panel in the final car.
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:20 PM   #207
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What a bunch of cry babies. If ABL is that big of a deal go get a rice burner.
If I were chevy I would just cancel the entire production plans. The new Camaro must be a piece of crap without that ABL thingy. GET REAL GUYS
I wonder how much longer GM would last if they only tried to appease you.
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lmao well said Stout. Thats what i was trying to make a point of but GTO took it the wrong way. Irpq, the dash will look like that, and i bet it will look better in person, i just hope the door panels dont scratch to easy, watches rings, girlfriends nails, all seem like enemies to the panels right now
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Does anyone else see the red line around the trim, makes it seem like the ABL is on but i cant telll for sure. I dont think it is because there are no electricals on, but im pretty sure its on in the other pic i posted Name:  IMG_0142.jpg
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:51 PM   #210
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I think it's just the light reflecting off the top of the panels to me.
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lmao well said Stout. Thats what i was trying to make a point of but GTO took it the wrong way. Irpq, the dash will look like that, and i bet it will look better in person, i just hope the door panels dont scratch to easy, watches rings, girlfriends nails, all seem like enemies to the panels right now
There's still a glimmer of hope that the lighting will look ok...what I'm more dissapointed about is that secretly they still consider this "half-done" and they put in a full ABL system next year. After a year I don't what to have to get into a car knowing it's only half-done when compared to the '11 model, and it could really hurt resell value.

I'd like to avoid resale in the future but currently I'm not made of money.
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First year 53 and 63 (C1 ,C2 ) Corvettes have always been worth more than the 54 or 64. I believe a 67 CAMARO is worth more than a 68. This despite the next year improvements.

I highly doubt a piece of unlit plastic will devalue this car vs a 2011.

You really are pulling at straws with that argument.
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Where the heck did this picture come from?

Yes, that looks like it's on!

Now, I gotta say, this is the best "interior lighting shot" I've seen yet! I love how the gauges have the blue backlight. Man, I wasn't a fan of the interior...but now I'm in love! The lighting is amazing and really sets it apart!
That's why it is disappointing that they couldn't get it to work properly.
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I highly doubt a piece of unlit plastic will devalue this car vs a 2011.

You really are pulling at straws with that argument.
You act like ABL is the only thing that may improve for the '11. However, I hope you're right.
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There is no light in that dash panel. Blow the pic up and look closely. I'm totaly jazzed if that's the orange panel in the final car.
It could be a reflection bt I think that is the one we've seen in the video with the orange ABL in it. In any case, I had a 2SS ordered with the IOM interior which costs almost $500 more but changed the order to a 1SS black interior after the announcement of no ABL in the front dash. If on Saturday they can show the orange interior looking good without the lighting, then maybe I switch back. However it is going to take a lot of convincing.

Here is a photoshop of the Camaro black interior with some red ambient lighting not turned on perhaps. A pretty neat concept and sharp looking interior like this..
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Don't hate me but seriously...... how hard could this be. The technology for this exists! I'm happy they at least kept part of it but come on! It's LED lights..... Plus there's transparent light bending platics that were developed by the air force YEARS ago that would create this affect..... heck Disney World uses this technology in their parade floats.

This will not deter my purchase of the car (the fact that I'm laid off right now is though), I just think that it should've been done as shown (I know you wanted to GM).
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My two cents on the whole thing...

When I first laid eyes on the concept, it wasn't just the sharp exterior styling that caught my eye, but that big swath of ABL was simply arresting. The total package just worked inside and out. When production was first announced, in my mind I was thinking that if they keep it as close to the concept as possible, I was buying that car. I wouldn't even consider anything else.

When the pricing and options were announced, I thought it was a bit much. The options list was pretty restrictive and getting a car with ABL and leather was going to require the 2LT package. I didn't want anything else that came with the 2LT, but I figured it would be worth it to get the ABL and the leather. But the price was a bit more than I wanted to pay, and that's when I started thinking about giving the competition a chance.

Now that the full ABL isn't going to be offered, I don't have any reason to get the 2LT except for the leather, and I'm not shelling out that much for just leather seats. So at the least, if I do get a Camaro, GM is getting a couple thousand less out of me. But moreso than that...the dash and door panel plastic was underwhelming IMHO, but the full ABL made up for that. Without it, the interior now doesn't have any advantage over the competition. In fact, I daresay the new Mustang's interior looks better, and the Genesis coupe could give it a run for its money.

So whereas a year ago I was going to buy a Camaro without question, all of the competition is now on the table and I'm going to drive each competitor and work from there. The Camaro still has advantages with its exterior styling and power, but pricing, options, and interior quality is dropping its stock in my eyes.
You should get a radio flyer with a string of Christmas lights wrapped around it. That would definitely be better than the Camaro without ambient lighting.
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You should get a radio flyer with a string of Christmas lights wrapped around it. That would definitely be better than the Camaro without ambient lighting.
HELLS YEAH DUDE! I'd get a stuffed tiger and I'd be Calvin...PLUS Christmas lights!
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better than nothing i suppose
the rendering looked cool though
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The interior looks pretty cool. Do you know if the camaro will have a push button start engine?
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Maybe it's the paint type in the panel? And there is no light on? That's why the shine is off in the shadowed area. Could be the apeal and advantage of the IO with the trim package.

The more I look at that pic the more I don't think there is light in the dash panel.
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Now that is something that looks very clean, crisp, classy, sophisticated, and sporty.... red pipping.

If GM engineers would put that into the interior, no need for ambient light. Just a clean, thin pipe of red along the lines of the dash and door panels.

An interior like that puts it into Audi territory. Clean, simple, and elegant.
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First year 53 and 63 (C1 ,C2 ) Corvettes have always been worth more than the 54 or 64. I believe a 67 CAMARO is worth more than a 68. This despite the next year improvements.
The main reason the 53 Corvettes are worth so much today is because they only built 300 of them and there are a lot fewer than that left in existance. They really were not very well built cars.

As for 63, yeah it was the first Stingray model, but the 63s that bring the money are the split window coupes because it was a one year feature only...not so much the convertibles. Honestly, I think some of the big block 67s are bringing a lot more than any of the 63s right now.

It generally seems the cars are better quality by their 3rd year run. Granted this car will be desirable as a first year run, but in this day and age, everything is so mass produced that it's just too hard for anything to keep its value, even 50 yrs from now.

It really does suck that the ambient lighting may not be what we thought, but it shouldn't be a show stopper if you love the car anyways. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed they might work it out (and any other possible kinks) by the 2nd or 3rd year run. Hope the economy can get GM that far at least...

I think we all agree GM has got a fantastic car here that can really help turn them around.
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