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Old 02-26-2009, 07:41 AM   #1
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Big wheels keep on turnin'

This is not necessarily a Camaro question but generally… Who thinks this “big wheels” style is getting out of hand or who thinks it has run its course.

I personally hate the "big wheels" thing. I don't see any reason to have wheels larger than 18" on anything car or truck. As far as the Camaro goes... I think 18" wheels will look just fine on the v6 or v8 cars. Adjust the wheel wells to fit that size and be done with this "wheel race"!

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Old 02-26-2009, 07:57 AM   #2
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I didn't like them in the past, now I do. If I had a money tree in my back yard I'd get those black 21"s. eighteens are good looking also, though. Heck, I remember when 14"s were standard, now they look retarded.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:23 AM   #3
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The size of the wheel totally depends on the vehicle. And many people have gone overboard. For example I think 22" wheels on a Hummer look great, but 20" would be max for a Camaro IMHO. So it really depends on the vehicle.
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I agree with rmyers. It all depends on the car. It just has to fit the wheel wells good and have some rubber on it. There needs to be a good amount of rubber on a big wheel or else it looks dumb but to much so it looks like a bogger tire haha.

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Rmyers is right. As long as it's in proportion, big wheels look fine. The Camaro, like the Challenger, has mammoth wheel wells. You need 20"s or even larger to fill it up.

I can remember a time not very long ago when 18" was considered a big wheel and 20"s were a size that maybe worked on a truck but rarely on a car. Now Challengers and 300s swallow up 22"s and there's still plenty of rubber on the tire. Hell, you can put 22"s on the Viper no problem. To me, the real drawback is cost: consider that the the 21" package for the Camaro is what, $4800?
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:38 AM   #6
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I really don't think 18" wheels would look proportionate on the new camaro. IMO 20" wheels are still a little small the 21" are perfect I mean look at the concept camaro it had 21" fronts and 22" rears
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It doesn't take a big wheel to fill the wheel well, you can put a larger profile tire to do just that. You don't need 20's if you don't want. Too lil of a profile will hurt performance especially at the drag strip, Too much profile hurts when turning. So it is all a compromise. I think filling the wheel well up, is just a personal preference. The question that should be asked is what do you want to achieve, and what works the best for your situation. IMO
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:42 AM   #8
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It doesn't take a big wheel to fill the wheel well, you can put a larger profile tire to do just that. You don't need 20's if you don't want. Too lil of a profile will hurt performance especially at the drag strip, Too much profile hurts when turning. So it is all a compromise. I think filling the wheel well up, is just a personal preference. The question that should be asked is what do you want to achieve, and what works the best for your situation. IMO
I totally agree it's a personal preference. For me my SS is going to be for street use so I like more wheel and the deeper the dish the better
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this is all we need. i think 16 it fine on most things. 15s are still nice

whats the bolt pattern on the new camaro? 5x4.75?
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:27 AM   #10
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The "Big Wheel" look is here to stay. I agree that the Camaro needs 20" wheels to look right. The side profile of the car coupled with the size of the wheelwells shows me that the designers intended it that way. IMO, 21" is the biggest wheel I would ever put on a car. Any larger and the section of the tire is to small to drive on a city street. I live in Chicago and this time of year the buckled pavement and potholes can turn a nice aluminum wheel into a paperweight. I know, most of us would never drive our Camaro this time of year.
As far as performance wheels go, less mass means more fast. Look at the Corvette, nothing bigger than 19".
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:42 AM   #11
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I didn't like them in the past, now I do. If I had a money tree in my back yard I'd get those black 21"s. eighteens are good looking also, though. Heck, I remember when 14"s were standard, now they look retarded.
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The "Big Wheel" look is here to stay. I agree that the Camaro needs 20" wheels to look right. The side profile of the car coupled with the size of the wheelwells shows me that the designers intended it that way. IMO, 21" is the biggest wheel I would ever put on a car. Any larger and the section of the tire is to small to drive on a city street. I live in Chicago and this time of year the buckled pavement and potholes can turn a nice aluminum wheel into a paperweight. I know, most of us would never drive our Camaro this time of year.
As far as performance wheels go, less mass means more fast. Look at the Corvette, nothing bigger than 19".
I agree with these posts (okay - with most of the other ones too, but I couldn't quote them all) and think it's relative to the size of the wheel opening and the proportion of the opening to the car. I can remember thinking how aweful a 20-inch wheel would look on a 'Vette and now, especially the style on the ZR1, I think it looks great. I don't think I'll go more than 20s on mine (I'm planning on staggering C6 ZR1s anyways).

But hey, to each his own and it's not like it's my money.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:42 AM   #12
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The "Big Wheel" look is here to stay. I agree that the Camaro needs 20" wheels to look right. The side profile of the car coupled with the size of the wheelwells shows me that the designers intended it that way. IMO, 21" is the biggest wheel I would ever put on a car. Any larger and the section of the tire is to small to drive on a city street. I live in Chicago and this time of year the buckled pavement and potholes can turn a nice aluminum wheel into a paperweight. I know, most of us would never drive our Camaro this time of year.
As far as performance wheels go, less mass means more fast. Look at the Corvette, nothing bigger than 19".
Them 19's on the Corvette have way more mass than the 21's on the camaro. But yes too big is bad, too little isn't good either.
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i wonder if good ol 15's will fit for the dragstrip... front and rear?
need more sidewall for launching but those mega brakes might be too big.
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:36 AM   #14
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Them 19's on the Corvette have way more mass than the 21's on the camaro. But yes too big is bad, too little isn't good either.
Each car has different needs, but too much weight is never good.
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Them 19's on the Corvette have way more mass than the 21's on the camaro. But yes too big is bad, too little isn't good either.
How do you know this? I'm not trying to be smart, I just find it hard to believe that a 21" cast wheel is lighter than a 19" forged.

The 19 inch wheel has a circumference of 59.7". Multiply that by its width (10" I think?) and you get a surface area of 597 for the hoop.

The 21 inch wheel has a circumference of 66". Multiply that by its width (9.5" I think for the back) and you get a surface area of 627.

Take into account that there's less spoke material required to make the 19" than the 21" and the fact that they Corvette wheels are forged (lighter), and I find it hard to believe the 19's have "way more mass" than the 21's.

Just my .02

But back to the thread topic, cars these days are being made with larger wheel wells, so require larger wheels to fill them up. This somewhat hides the proportionality imbalance of a 22" wheel to a relatively small 2-door car, which I think is a shame. The 18's on the GS concept don't really fill the wells, so I'm thinking some lightweight forged 19's should work just fine.
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Good start here. However, mass is based on volume, not surface area. So to properly compare them, we'd have to know how thick the metal is on both wheels.

For forge vs. cast: Forged is typically stronger than cast, but spoke design should play a role here too. For two identically shaped parts, with the same thicknesses; the process which made them should have almost no effect on the final mass, unless the forge comression significantly altered the steel's density. What you can do by forging a part is generally make it thinner. How much depends on the geometry and who engineered it.
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How do you know this? I'm not trying to be smart, I just find it hard to believe that a 21" cast wheel is lighter than a 19" forged.

The 19 inch wheel has a circumference of 59.7". Multiply that by its width (10" I think?) and you get a surface area of 597 for the hoop.

The 21 inch wheel has a circumference of 66". Multiply that by its width (9.5" I think for the back) and you get a surface area of 627.

Take into account that there's less spoke material required to make the 19" than the 21" and the fact that they Corvette wheels are forged (lighter), and I find it hard to believe the 19's have "way more mass" than the 21's.

Just my .02

But back to the thread topic, cars these days are being made with larger wheel wells, so require larger wheels to fill them up. This somewhat hides the proportionality imbalance of a 22" wheel to a relatively small 2-door car, which I think is a shame. The 18's on the GS concept don't really fill the wells, so I'm thinking some lightweight forged 19's should work just fine.
Nice and I would not argue with that. I had in my head the Z06 wheels which are 2 inches wider. Whenever I think vette that is what I picture (my bad). Also "way more" was exagurated. Thanks for the breakdown! I still don't understand why the feel to get larger wheel to fill wheel well. Whatever happen to the profile of the tire. The 20's are a pretty descent profile, but the 19's or even 18's with a little larger profile still would fill the wheel wells IMO. I agree the stock 18's doesn't work very well, but I a sure there would be a better package of tire and wheel in the 18 in category that would look just fine. The koni challenge camaro has 18's on it, and I think it looks good, and you could go with a larger profile tire if you want wells filled and I think that setup might just look pretty damn good! Just a thought!
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I believe the trend toward larger wheels is proportional to the use of less rubber on the tires, and with smaller tires comes a smoother ride. 18-20 inch wheels on cars such as the Camaro and Charger brings this need toward the front. To have balloon tires would actually hurt the ride quality and possibly lateral grip as well. So shrink the tires and enlarge the rims..

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I believe the trend toward larger wheels is proportional to the use of less rubber on the tires, and with smaller tires comes a smoother ride. 18-20 inch wheels on cars such as the Camaro and Charger brings this need toward the front. To have balloon tires would actually hurt the ride quality and possibly lateral grip as well. So shrink the tires and enlarge the rims..

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Problem not solved lol. I think that we are far away from ballooning the tires. And that small profile will hinder your launch. More profile will give you better launch. So again, it depends on what you are looking for. Yes a small profile is better for lateral grip, but not everyone is gonna be autocrossing, most people probably will be straight lining it. Regardless of what you are doing, there are different setups for different scenarios.

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Good start here. However, mass is based on volume, not surface area. So to properly compare them, we'd have to know how thick the metal is on both wheels.

For forge vs. cast: Forged is typically stronger than cast, but spoke design should play a role here too. For two identically shaped parts, with the same thicknesses; the process which made them should have almost no effect on the final mass, unless the forge comression significantly altered the steel's density. What you can do by forging a part is generally make it thinner. How much depends on the geometry and who engineered it.
I understand it's based on volume, not surface area, but short of dropping both wheels in a tub of water and measuring the amount of water displaced, I figured that would be a simple example of how the 20" wheel's circumference leads to more mass by showing that the area is greater, which, in theory, would mean the volume is also greater. Nice catch though!
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sometimes, you just have to have a bigger wheel to clear the brakes. yeah, they managed to squeeze 18s on the GS concept, but that's the smallest you can go. (for the 15"-16" fans) i do think that much bigger than 21" is just too much, though, but plenty of people believe otherwise, so that's why big wheels keep selling. my SS is gonna have a nice set of light-weight 19s & tires with a sidewall you can actually see.
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So much of this all just depends. Someone mentioned 22's on a hummer- I don't think that looks good because it takes away from the abilities of a hummer.

I'm on a Dodge Truck forum alot and the 20inch vs 17inch is brought up alot. Alot of the guys with 20s have gone to 17s for offroading or towing- or they've gone the other route to 22s for street looks. I guess either can be OK on a truck, but on a vehicle truly designed for off road 22s look silly.

I'd rather have 19's than 21s on a Camaro personally and lower the car an inch.
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