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Old 05-02-2011, 06:13 PM   #26
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i think the z28 should be a smaller v8 than the 6.2 with 350ish HP so its better than the v6 but cheaper than the SS. this will make it fit in line and so people can afford the damn thing. 40k for my 2ss/rs yeah that was a nice penny lol
I don't expect that to happen, just as the ZL1 had to compete with the correct model, a new Z/28 would have to compete with the Boss 302, so 350hp is not going to cut it.
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I think a z28 model Camaro would be a very wise idea. Somewhere around 375hp and some direct competition for the Challenger R/T. It would be a great car,and it most likely would be a hot seller,for those who cant afford the SS,but refuse to own a V6.
That would make the Z28 a low rent V8 model or more like just a V8 LT Camaro. The Z/28 has to keep the heritage of the original, a tuned up LS3 (450 - 470 HP) with ZL1 style dual mode exhaust, lighter 18" wheels (get rid of those heavy a$$ blingy SS wheels!!!), and tuned up suspension. Make it so the car is standard equiped more like an LS Camaro for options but allow the customer to put all the heavy power robbing heater electric ashtrays if they so choose. I am not talking a no A/C and manual window Camaro but the standard equipment on the LS Camaro, add special 18" wheels, the tuned up LS3, and a corner carving suspension. Now that is a Z/28 to go at the Boss Mustang.
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That would make the Z28 a low rent V8 model or more like just a V8 LT Camaro. The Z/28 has to keep the heritage of the original, a tuned up LS3 (450 - 470 HP) with ZL1 style dual mode exhaust, lighter 18" wheels (get rid of those heavy a$$ blingy SS wheels!!!), and tuned up suspension. Make it so the car is standard equiped more like an LS Camaro for options but allow the customer to put all the heavy power robbing heater electric ashtrays if they so choose. I am not talking a no A/C and manual window Camaro but the standard equipment on the LS Camaro, add special 18" wheels, the tuned up LS3, and a corner carving suspension. Now that is a Z/28 to go at the Boss Mustang.
How would it be keeping with the heritage of the original,since the z28 Camaro which was designed for SCCA racing,and equipped with a small block 302 was never the top of the line performer,compared to the large displacement "SS" models.

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How would it be keeping with the heritage of the original,since the z28 Camaro which was designed for SCCA racing,and equipped with a small block 302 was never the top of the line performer,compared to the large displacement "SS" models.
As long as it performs well it won't be stepping on the toes of the Z28's heritage. Chevy has been taking more of an evolutionary direction with the Camaro like with the ZL1. If the Z is to be built they will do what is best to make the car outperform the competition. If that's with a 302(doubtful), they'll put it in there, but from a cost standpoint they will probably just modify the LS3. If they wait till the 6th gen we can expect a brand new engine.
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How would it be keeping with the heritage of the original,since the z28 Camaro which was designed for SCCA racing,and equipped with a small block 302 was never the top of the line performer,compared to the large displacement "SS" models.


First of all the 302 of the 60's was a very capable car even on the strip. The 396 had better #'s, but was heavier and reved slower. The current 5.0 in the Boss Mustang is 440 hp so if GM builds a Z it should put out the same or better #'s. The SS is not a top dog only an option of features.

For example to me all that SS means in this day and age is it has a V8, it was much the same way in the first Gen. Most 67 SS Camaro's were equipped with 350 and later the 396 became an option. My Nova for another example if you order an SS in 67 it gave you buckets seats a center console and some exterior trim. The motor was a totally separate option. This is why you can have an SS w/ an in line six on a Nova. In the Camaro the SS didn't always mean you get the biggest baddest engine most of the time you had option on a big block w/ different hp ratings or small block 350 car. It was this way for the first gens and I believe into the early second gens.
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Who gives a rats ass? Most of us have purchased the 2010 model, and I"m not going to trade in my SS for a ZL(n), a Z28 or an Iroc.
I rather like the SS, it comes with the basic engine which is capable of producing well over 700hp., and there are numerous aftermarket upgrades for every single aspect of the vehicle, so you can customize the handling of the vehicle for whatever driving conditions you need. What else do you want? The ZL1 and / or any other version of a Z28 or Iroc, will still require aftermarket upgrades, as I doubt very much they'll be perfect, as the Mustangs aren't perfect either and could use quite a bit of upgrades to achive certain perfomance levels and handling.
With the mods I've done and many other Camaro owners on C5, we're already 302 Boss, and GT500 Mustang killers, so no need to wait for newer models.
A perfect example of this is a Z06 vs a ZR1 Corvette, you can purchase a Z06, add a ProCharger or Vortech Supercharger, and a few other minor mods, and smoke the ZR1 day-in and day-out on the track. So, just because GM decides to throw on an SC and some boring suspension upgrades doesn't make it a better performing or faster vehicle. The same applies for the Camaro.
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How would it be keeping with the heritage of the original,since the z28 Camaro which was designed for SCCA racing,and equipped with a small block 302 was never the top of the line performer,compared to the large displacement "SS" models.
Don't let this fool you, the 302 could push close to 400 HP.
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Who gives a rats ass? Most of us have purchased the 2010 model, and I"m not going to trade in my SS for a ZL(n), a Z28 or an Iroc.
I rather like the SS, it comes with the basic engine which is capable of producing well over 700hp., and there are numerous aftermarket upgrades for every single aspect of the vehicle, so you can customize the handling of the vehicle for whatever driving conditions you need. What else do you want? The ZL1 and / or any other version of a Z28 or Iroc, will still require aftermarket upgrades, as I doubt very much they'll be perfect, as the Mustangs aren't perfect either and could use quite a bit of upgrades to achive certain perfomance levels and handling.
With the mods I've done and many other Camaro owners on C5, we're already 302 Boss, and GT500 Mustang killers, so no need to wait for newer models.
A perfect example of this is a Z06 vs a ZR1 Corvette, you can purchase a Z06, add a ProCharger or Vortech Supercharger, and a few other minor mods, and smoke the ZR1 day-in and day-out on the track. So, just because GM decides to throw on an SC and some boring suspension upgrades doesn't make it a better performing or faster vehicle. The same applies for the Camaro.
So by you logic car companies should never make a new car again since we can do all the upgrading, but wait can't I just upgrade a "Z28" or ZL1 and smoke your moded SS?
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Blizzard I want a warranty with my new Z, no mods for me. It just kills me that for most people it's all about HP and how fast you can go. I just want another nice driveable piece of history.
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Blizzard I want a warranty with my new Z, no mods for me. It just kills me that for most people it's all about HP and how fast you can go. I just want another nice driveable piece of history.

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A V8, with only 10 more hp than the 2012 V6? Not worth it!

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i think the z28 should be a smaller v8 than the 6.2 with 350ish HP so its better than the v6 but cheaper than the SS. this will make it fit in line and so people can afford the damn thing. 40k for my 2ss/rs yeah that was a nice penny lol
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Blizzard, I understand what you were saying. I don't understand why people want a zillion HP so their car can go fast. I don't plan to race mine just drive and enjoy it.
I have a 69 that goes scary fast now.
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How would it be keeping with the heritage of the original,since the z28 Camaro which was designed for SCCA racing,and equipped with a small block 302 was never the top of the line performer,compared to the large displacement "SS" models.
We certainly don't need this part of the discussion yet again. See past threads/discussions about how the first gen. Z/28 performed in comparison to the SS BBs.
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Just look at the SSX and tell me they haven't been looking into a track oriented Camaro. There won't be any exotic engine that hasn't come out yet. Look for a tweaked dry sump LS3 from the vette, suspension, ZL1 brakes and wheels and some weight savings.
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I personally don't think the Z28 will come out until the Gen 6 Camaro is released for MY2015. As of now GM doesn't have any options for an alternate Z28 engine and the Camaro really can't get much lighter. When the Gen 6 is released GM will have the new 5.5L DI V8, the lighter Alpha platform, possibly as new 6.2L or equivilant, and a twin turbo V6. I'm not sure if GM plans to keep a larger CI angine like the 6.2L around along side the new 5.5L. If they have both I can see the Z28 with the 5.5L (off-shoot of the GT-2 race engine) and the SS with the larger displacement engine. Or we may see the 5.5L and turbo V-6 version as the two high performance options. Of course the ZL1 will have a supercharged 5.5L DI version.
For now the 5.5L is just a racing engine. It's size is limited by the rules, that's why its 5.5. There's no guarantee that this will ever be the size of a production DI engine. Look fir tem to be the usual 6.2, 5.3, maybe even a 5.7.
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For now the 5.5L is just a racing engine. It's size is limited by the rules, that's why its 5.5. There's no guarantee that this will ever be the size of a production DI engine. Look fir tem to be the usual 6.2, 5.3, maybe even a 5.7.
Well it wouldn't be the first time we saw an engine size brought about by racing rule mandates and it then ended up in the Camaro. There was no production 302 engine in Chevy/GMs line up prior to the introduction of the '67 Z/28, but the '67-'69 Z/28s certainly had a production 302 engine brought about by SCCA Trans Am Sedan Series race rules. Not saying a 5.5 will appear, just saying that something similar has happened in the past.
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Who gives a rats ass? Most of us have purchased the 2010 model, and I"m not going to trade in my SS for a ZL(n), a Z28 or an Iroc.
Were not talking modded car's more factory direct car's w/ warranties. An with enough $ you can make just about anything faster and handle better. I have three modded cars an really don't want another one that's why my 2010 SS/RS will stay stock.
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First of all the 302 of the 60's was a very capable car even on the strip. The 396 had better #'s, but was heavier and reved slower. The current 5.0 in the Boss Mustang is 440 hp so if GM builds a Z it should put out the same or better #'s. The SS is not a top dog only an option of features.

For example to me all that SS means in this day and age is it has a V8, it was much the same way in the first Gen. Most 67 SS were equipped with 350 and later the 396 became an option. My Nova for another example if you order an SS in 67 it gave you buckets seats a center console and some exterior trim. The motor was a totally separate option. This is why you can have an SS w/ an in line six on a Nova. In the Camaro the SS didn't always mean you get the biggest baddest engine most of the time you had option on a big block w/ different hp ratings or small block 350 car. It was this way for the first gens and I believe into the early second gens.
What he said....for the most part. The 67 Camaro was available with a V8 outside of an SS. Yes to get the 350 required the SS in 67 being that the 350 was new to that year. There are plenty of 327 67 Camaros.
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How would it be keeping with the heritage of the original,since the z28 Camaro which was designed for SCCA racing,and equipped with a small block 302 was never the top of the line performer,compared to the large displacement "SS" models.
Because the 302 was a special built engine not available in any other model for racing. You want a low rent mild tuned up truck engine to save money, that is NOT a Z/28 but a V8 LS or LT Camaro. I don't find fault with your idea of a cheaper V8 Camaro, just that no way in hell would it be a Z/28.
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I think a z28 model Camaro would be a very wise idea. Somewhere around 375hp and some direct competition for the Challenger R/T. It would be a great car,and it most likely would be a hot seller,for those who cant afford the SS,but refuse to own a V6.
It's funny that some SS owners don't want a Z28, why? Or if they are ok with it it must have less HP, why?
The Z28 was originally a race car not drag car for the street. That's what I'm looking for. Anyone else with me?
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Because the 302 was a special built engine not available in any other model for racing. You want a low rent mild tuned up truck engine to save money, that is NOT a Z/28 but a V8 LS or LT Camaro. I don't find fault with your idea of a cheaper V8 Camaro, just that no way in hell would it be a Z/28.



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The Z28 was originally a race car not drag car for the street. That's what I'm looking for. Anyone else with me?



That 350 in the SS was rated at 300 HP, and the 302 Z/28, 290 HP (1st gens.). That 300 horse SS always blew the doors off the Z.
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I agree with the guys who really wanted a heritage minded Z/28. Sometimes it's not just about getting 700hp on your current SS. It is nostalgic. I know that since the C5 is "modeled" after the first gen I would really like to see a 5 liter small block as the power plant if you are going to call it a Z/28. Is that going to happen? Probably not but depends on how much history for the "enthusiasts" they are willing to keep with. I have said many times that the car should get it's own engine, but these days it almost seem impossible and costly. Therefore I have been a huge proponent for what I seem almost could be a possibility. A 5.3 liter DI engine seems probable to produce 450-475hp that could be in the works currently at GM because they currently have a 5.3L engine available but for trucks/SUV's. Has anybody ever heard of a 327 in a camaro before? That's what my point is. That would be Nostalgic enough for me.
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It's funny that some SS owners don't want a Z28, why? Or if they are ok with it it must have less HP, why?
The Z28 was originally a race car not drag car for the street. That's what I'm looking for. Anyone else with me?
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LS 327 create motor is a 5.3 and can produce 500 hp at 6500 not sure if that what your getting at.
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