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Old 02-27-2009, 08:35 PM   #1
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Less powerful V6 and I-4 still considered according to R&T

I just got the April Road and Track. On page 16 they discuss that a weaker V6 could still be used for future Camaros. They talk about a direct inject 3.0 liter V6 that only puts out 255hp. Also considered is a 2.4 I-4 turbo charged power plant for it's base model.

Just thought I'd share what I found.
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:37 PM   #2
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Gm probably thinks the 3.6 DI LLT is too good for the LS trim

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Yeah, you will find numerous threads on this. We have a lot of people that were fine with it. And a lot that were appalled at the very thought of it. But those are old threads and we have a lot of new members who probably didn't know this... Lets see what they say?
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Yeah, you will find numerous threads on this. We have a lot of people that were fine with it. And a lot that were appalled at the very thought of it. But those are old threads and we have a lot of new members who probably didn't know this... Lets see what they say?
This is going to be a long thread ...
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LOL, the others were long threads too I personally think if the I4 happened the car would have to of been lightened up. Something had got to give Thus is why it didn't happen.
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:44 PM   #6
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I remember those old threads as well. But it makes a little more sense now. Now that the General is having to answer to the Chodes in Washington.
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I-4 wont be going into the camaro.
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When all the V8's are gone.
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I don't see why so many people are opposed to the Ecotec I-4 Turbo Charged. It's a hot little motor. It's what's in my 08 HHR SS and that is one fun little car. It's the same powerplant that's also in the Cobalt SS. Chevy Cobalt set the Production FWD record on the Nurburgring Ring in Germany at 8:22. Old record holder was Mazdaspeed3 at 8:39. This took place in October 2008. If you're opposed to an I-4 in a Camaro, then you should be opposed to a V6 in a Camaro.
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I don't see why so many people are opposed to the Ecotec I-4 Turbo Charged. It's a hot little motor. It's what's in my 08 HHR SS and that is one fun little car. It's the same powerplant that's also in the Cobalt SS. Chevy Cobalt set the Production FWD record on the Nurburgring Ring in Germany at 8:22. Old record holder was Mazdaspeed3 at 8:39. This took place in October 2008. If you're opposed to an I-4 in a Camaro, then you should be opposed to a V6 in a Camaro.
thats wrong.

ever hear of the Iron Duke?


the I-4 was tested in the camaro. and performed worse than the LLT, by a large bit. which is why GM axed it from being a possibility in the Camaro. the motor is great, but I dont want one in the Camaro and neither does GM.
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I don't see why so many people are opposed to the Ecotec I-4 Turbo Charged. It's a hot little motor. It's what's in my 08 HHR SS and that is one fun little car. It's the same powerplant that's also in the Cobalt SS. Chevy Cobalt set the Production FWD record on the Nurburgring Ring in Germany at 8:22. Old record holder was Mazdaspeed3 at 8:39. This took place in October 2008. If you're opposed to an I-4 in a Camaro, then you should be opposed to a V6 in a Camaro.
A smaller engine in a heavier car is not going to be as efficent.. Sorry But I have to disagree with you the HHRSS and the Cobalt SS weigh about 1000 pounds less than a Camaro.. Putting that engine in the Camaro will just cause it not to be a very efficent package...
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A smaller engine in a heavier car is not going to be as efficent.. Sorry But I have to disagree with you the HHRSS and the Cobalt SS weigh about 1000 pounds less than a Camaro.. Putting that engine in the Camaro will just cause it not to be a very efficent package...
Exactly. To further exaggerate the point, a 1200 CC motor may be perfect for a motorcycle but it isn't going to work in a car.
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Comparisons of the 2.0 ecotec to the iron duke are pure nonsense, that's like equating the LS3 with Chevy's old 262 V8 engine (barely over 100 hp and under 200 lb/ft for those not familiar with that particular wonder engine of the 70's). As for the weight, the Camaro is not nearly 1000 lbs heavier. The HHR SS has a curb weight of 3,300 lbs (a few less for manual, a few more for auto), the LS is not even 500 lbs over that. That 500 lbs is substantial though and GM has said that it's enough to make the I4 inefficient for this Camaro. So yes the I4 doesn't make sense and won't happen, but let's not get carried away with exagerating the reasons why.

As for a smaller V6 on the LS, if let's GM lower the entry price substantially then 255 HP would seems ok for the LS IMO. It's not something I personally want to buy but GM needs to sell cars to more people than just me.
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It is an awesome lil engine, but I think you'd be in the boost constantly, and it would just kill the engine way to soon and have pretty bad fuel mileage to boot.
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what if they twin turbo'd the 4 and reduced say 300 of that 500 lb difference, would that work?
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Nope, I would demand the camaro to be well within the range of 3100-3400 lbs before I would even consider it a good idea...
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if they are looking for fuel efficiency why not diesel? i dont think putting a smaller engine in the camaro would lower its price enough to justify its purchase over the current 6 cylinder
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Diesel would be fantastic!!! imagine the torque outta that sumbitch!!!!
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I don't care what they put in it, as long as the LS3 (or better) is always available , anything less isn't even a consideration for me.
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check out the Diesel Camaro threads.
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I could swear that GM already stuck the 2.0L Turbocharged ECOTEC I-4 into the Camaro and said that it barely achieved better fuel economy than the 3.6L and was just sluggish as hell.

Although they could always go with the 3.0L V6 in the '10 Buick LaCrosse and '10 Chevrolet Equinox.
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