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Old 05-07-2011, 02:51 PM   #1
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Cool Zabo's 2000 Trans Am 'Phoenix' build thread!

Like a phoenix risen from the ashes I've created this thread to document my car's rise from near death to show machine status.

The Patient on arrival. 4/2/11




Go-ahead given to rebuild. 4/18/11

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Donor Rear quarter from a worn out T/A




Picked these up 5/7/11. Came off a '99 Silver Formula. Guy put the tires on and probably only put maybe 20 miles before the car got parked for some engine building. Bought some WS6 wheels and wasn't going to use these, so sold them off when I put out an APB for PA6 wheels on LS1tech.com. Tires are Firestone Primewell PZ900s W rated.




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Updated with pics of the 'donor butt' they sent and the quartet of silver painted beauties that I picked up today.
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Thanks.

Turns out the guy that sold those wheels, his two kids were college aged, and the one graduated Western the same year I did. Aviation Admin rather than Flight or Maintenance. He's got a 98 or 99 Hugger Orange Z and an '05 Goat. His brother has a 99 T/A vert and then there's that Silver Foamy and two chargers (440 and a 6 pack).

Quite the site pulling up there for wheels and seeing that garage full of F-Bodies.

As for other plans:

- Since the door is totaled I'm ordering new badges. I had planned to later so I'm ordering a pair of '98 Sport Gold Metallic "Trans Am" script logos to replace my Maple Red ones.

- Since the rear cover is toast, I'm getting a new one. Since it needs to be painted I'm doing the CETA mod right then and there.

- Filler panel is getting sanded down and blacked out, for later hand painted 'Bird' logo work.

- Drivers seat is also getting gutted and the guts swapped over to a new seat since the frame took flight with my fat ass in it. :/

- Shifter 'Belt' Mod as I call it, keeps the boot from going 'Pants on da ground' around the stick.

-Post Op plans-

- New Door panels due to the infamous crack (new panels will be de-stressed and modded/reinforced)

- Seats recovered due to dry cracking setting in

- Black Hurst ball shifter with Gold/Orange/Silver Hurst H Pin inlay

- Hurst Equipped Logo (Duh?)

- 5% Tint all around

- Sound system repairs

- Sport Gold Metallic pin stripe accents on the fenders, haunches, and a little nose and spoiler stamp work.

- Center caps are probably going bye bye for either custom caps or Bird Logos.

- Pacesetter LTs, Texas Speed Y Pipe, SLP LM1 Exhaust with 4" dual-dual tips - Tuned for emissions delete

- Finally, the car is getting SFCs and small suspension upgrades for improved ride/structural rigidity (for a T-Top)

The idea is to keep it low key and modest, but kind of envoke the special edition T/As of the 2nd gens with my own touch (Tossing around the idea of painting the LS block Pontiac Blue when I strip it down for a cleaning/overhaul). Guy that's working on the car right now is an insane pinstriper and painter. Eventually the whole car will be blended before the detail work starts.
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Update:

Floors sustained some serious damage in the crash. It's going to need to be pulled 3 times at least, once for the rear, once for the floor, and once for the right front subframe rail.

I'm not kidding when I say that I had to choke back tears seeing it as it was. Body guy knew too, he'd seen it before (he's done several wrecks, but laid it straight that this may be the worst). There's some good hard structural damage on this car.

Gonna keep on plugging, there's nothing keeping the car from coming back for sure (straight as an arrow and the like).. but god if I wasn't choking on my own heart right now. I couldn't and didn't want to take pictures of my baby like that.

Word to the wise children.. never race your daily driver. Never. No matter how much is at stake. It's never worth it to go through what I'm going through right now.

F**k.. tearing up right now just typing this. :(
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Floors sustained some serious damage in the crash. It's going to need to be pulled 3 times at least, once for the rear, once for the floor, and once for the right front subframe rail.

I'm not kidding when I say that I had to choke back tears seeing it as it was. Body guy knew too, he'd seen it before (he's done several wrecks, but laid it straight that this may be the worst). There's some good hard structural damage on this car.

Gonna keep on plugging, there's nothing keeping the car from coming back for sure (straight as an arrow and the like).. but god if I wasn't choking on my own heart right now. I couldn't and didn't want to take pictures of my baby like that.

Word to the wise children.. never race your daily driver. Never. No matter how much is at stake. It's never worth it to go through what I'm going through right now.

F**k.. tearing up right now just typing this. :(
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That really sucks. I'm so sorry. :(
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Not to mention, when he removed the door, the outer SMC shell actually fell off. Nothing but the pressure of the impact was holding it together. '

Didn't realize how hard I hit until now. And it hit HARD.

Then there's this rush job piecing/painting up a C3 for a guy and personal stuff going on for the body guy. As I said earlier about June.. I'll be lucky to get it before the end of July. Just keep finding shit that broke on it.

- Right Axle Half Shaft bent
- Trans Tunnel/Floor/Rear Seat Pans creased/bulged/warped
- Several sub frame welds popped
- Rear hatch cracked, and I'm not talking glass.. I'm talking the actual hatch.
- Original repair to the front of the car in '05 was done incorrectly, Core support showing signs of 'weeping rust' due to no primer and crap welds

Oh.. and the right side is an inch shorter than the left.. meaning the whole car traded a half inch of wheel base to either side. 105 vs 104 when it should be 104.5 at the measured points.

It's going to be a real rise from the ashes here. For all intents and purposes I should be scrapping her, but I'm 4 grand in and I might as well go for the Boston College Hail Mary pass. Never plan to sell it, so if any of the minor creases remain, I can always touch them up when I redo the interior.
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Oh.. and the right side is an inch shorter than the left.. meaning the whole car traded a half inch of wheel base to either side. 105 vs 104 when it should be 104.5 at the measured points.
that is most likely from the rear axle being "moved". probably stretched your left LCA and compacted your right LCA plus, your PHB is probably bent out of stock range.

good luck with it all. it'll be a labor of love thats for sure
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I'm sorry to hear of all that body damage I hope things work out for you.
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damage.I would start looking for a experienced and reputable body shop
to do you're body repairs.I think it can be fixed though!
I've got a guy with over 30 years experience on it, and on top of that he lives just down the street from me. So while I trust him, he also knows that one of his clients is living just down the street and can pay him a visit..

In all seriousness though, I went to highschool with his kids so we know them pretty well (his family that is). First guy I thought of when I hit the wall.
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Update: The worst kind I can make.

This weekend I will be running the final numbers on the car. As it stands, the body guy says that this is becoming a project above any bounds of feasability and that of a fellow shop owner who came down to give his opinion agreed.

That guy had done several F bodies before, and again, like my guy said this was probably the most severe frame damage he'd seen. It may look docile, but when it came down to 'can it be pulled' the real question will be answered monday.

I know when I'm being jerked around by this guy, he's tried it on this project. This was a whole other tone in his voice. I knew this wasn't any BS call of his.

But at this point, we're set to give up the ghost and pull the plug on the car. It's not a money issue (I'm almost bankrupting myself trying to get this thing back), but rather the ability of the vehicle's structure to be repaired.

Worst comes to worst, I pull it monday, and sell off the driveline and what good parts can come off the car. In all I should have enough to pay off the remainder of my loan if that were the case. However, there also belies a quandary in all this:

I will have no available funds to purchase a replacement vehicle, far be it another V8 F-Body.

In the year that I've had this car.. it's almost become like a beloved pet, much like my dogs. To put this Trans Am down would as hard as it was putting down our border collie two years ago.
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Tell your guy to work some magic then! Really hopin for some good news on this...

Tell him that me pretty much HAS to fix it- your C5 build thread depends on it.
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but you still did it. trust me, I know the feeling of loving a car as more than just another possession and having to die a little inside when you have to let it go.

but, time goes on. there will be more cars, none will be that one, but at the end of the day, you can start all over again.



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but, time goes on. there will be more cars, none will be that one, but at the end of the day, you can start all over again.



speaking of which.... pm enroute
Yeah, speaking of which the GTA discussed there and in other threads was sold yesterday afternoon. I wasn't the buyer.

However we found a new way around the problem with the floor and quarter panel. Turns out it creased toward the weld, but didn't cross it. It also stayed away from the welds on the floor from the side of the unibody.

Thus, if needed, we could drop 500 into a new floor and just cut out the old one after straightening out what we can. Also got the hinges pretty much locked down. So by the end of the week he thinks most of the major pulling on the rear of the car can begin.
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Yeah, speaking of which the GTA discussed there and in other threads was sold yesterday afternoon. I wasn't the buyer.

However we found a new way around the problem with the floor and quarter panel. Turns out it creased toward the weld, but didn't cross it. It also stayed away from the welds on the floor from the side of the unibody.

Thus, if needed, we could drop 500 into a new floor and just cut out the old one after straightening out what we can. Also got the hinges pretty much locked down. So by the end of the week he thinks most of the major pulling on the rear of the car can begin.
We have faith... When she's all done you should nickname her Jesus.
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Nah, already picked Phoenix for obvious reasons..

If it were a Camaro I'd probably call it the Jesusmobile.
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Update: Hinges finally came in. So after some chassis measurements the pulling can begin. FINALLY!
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That's good news!!! Keep us posted
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Update: Pulling on the butt is done. Turns out when they straightened the rear frame, they got the floor in the same pull.

The rear frame is straight. To the decimal on the GM design spec sheet.

Now for the front subframe to the pulled a bit and then the body work can start. Not as gory as I thought but made me put a shopping list together.. hopefully I can find some aftermarket trailing arms, sway bar, and tunnel brace since the last is bent. Rear is still off by a half inch.

Oh, and pics on the frame puller.




Where'd my interior go?



Yeah, what was once one door, is now 2?


Weird ass joggle/fold that we aren't sure how it got there or if it's some sort of recess. Note the lack of cracked/peeled undercoat on the underside of the fold.


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