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Old 05-08-2011, 10:05 AM   #1
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Nitrous and the factory waranty

So I keep looking at the nitrous kits and I'm getting an itchy buying finger but the only thing holding me back is I don't want to lose my factory warranty. Is there any way to install it stealthily enough so that the average Joe blow mechanic at the dealer won't look twice?
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:16 AM   #2
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Mine is pretty stealthy (pumps and controller in the wheel well) and could have easily made it even more stealthy, but there's no way to hide the lines and plate at the throttle body with the engine cover off. If they don't remove that it might be possible but I doubt it.
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Simple. Remove it before you go in for warranty work. Pain in the ass I know, but you got to pay to play
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The main remnants from a nitrous kit, generally speaking, will be where your shark nozzle was attached to your intake, where you tapped your fuel line, and splicing on electrical wires depending on how you wired your system up.

Odds are if you are using nitrous youll be using an aftermarket intake. So putting your stock airbox back on eill handle that problem.

You could always order an extra OEM fuel hose so replace whichever one you will tap into. You could then take off the tapped one and put a normal looking one back on before going in.

As for electrical, odds are they wont look for it but if you are discreet enough they probably wont be checking those anyway.

Besides those general things it would be very difficult for them to detect nitrous. You could probably blow the motor, take everything off, and they couldnt tell it was nitrous. They may suspect it but it doesnt leave much evidence.
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If you blow your motor using nitrous and you remove it and tell them "it just happened on main street", not only will they be able to tell that it was nitrous (do not believe any of the advice above), but chances are you'll find it difficult to get any warranty work done ever again (because, you know, you lied to them). Douche bags modding their cars and lying to dealers contribute to the cost of warranties, for most dealers frowning on modded cars, and generally harm relationships with us modders, GM, and our dealers.

Get to know your dealer and the service department, show them your mods, let them install some of your mods even, tell them your track stories, and they'll work with you. If you blow your motor, you'll pay for it, but your dealer won't show you the door.

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Why all the name calling? Just say you don't approve but all the name calling? is that a bit harsh? no? to each his own...
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Why all the name calling? Just say you don't approve but all the name calling? is that a bit harsh? no?
That's why I put the But I have met a douchbag who tried the "it blew up on mainstreet" line with the dealer before (he was racing me at the track and left 2nd gear at the sixty-foot mark). The laughter echoed all around town (because his friends told the dealer) and most everybody agreed he was, indeed, a douchebag.

Besides, I did not say the OP was a douchebag. I said he would be if he lied to his dealer. I mean, really, post all over the forums (that dealers read), "How can I lie to my dealer?" Brilliant!

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That's why I put the But I have met a douchbag who tried the "it blew up on mainstreet" line with the dealer before (he was racing me at the track and left 2nd gear at the sixty-foot mark). The laughter echoed all around town (because his friends told the dealer) and most everybody agreed he was, indeed, a douchebag.

Besides, I did not say the OP was a douchebag. I said he would be if he lied to his dealer. I mean, really, post all over the forums (that dealers read), "How can I lie to my dealer?" Brilliant!

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Seriously, chill out buddy. It was a question; I wasn't aware I was going to get your panties in a bunch. Did I say I was going to race on the street? I'm not an idiot, I just want a little 50 shot for those days at the track when I feel like having some fun. I had a dealer try to cancel my warranty for a K&N filter, so if you are looking for sympathy from me for dealerships, whose main goal is gettting more money out of me for parts and labor I can get cheaper everywhere else, you're out of luck. If anyone else has any comments that they wish to convey with out resorting to infantile name calling, I weclome the advice.
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Old 05-08-2011, 02:34 PM   #9
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Seriously, chill out buddy. It was a question; I wasn't aware I was going to get your panties in a bunch. Did I say I was going to race on the street? I'm not an idiot, I just want a little 50 shot for those days at the track when I feel like having some fun. I had a dealer try to cancel my warranty for a K&N filter, so if you are looking for sympathy from me for dealerships, whose main goal is gettting more money out of me for parts and labor I can get cheaper everywhere else, you're out of luck. If anyone else has any comments that they wish to convey with out resorting to infantile name calling, I weclome the advice.
I agree with the guy above. If you blow your car up and lie to the dealer about it and it gets covered you cost everyone else money. GM doesnt fix them for free. They raise the price of their product up in order to compensate for warranty work. In the long run it costs everyone more. Just like stealing. If a store gets robbed they will increase prices in order to compensate for the loss. Your stealing free parts from your dealer by blowing your car up and getting it covered. Do I personally care. Not really because this is the last GM I will be purchasing. Also the last brand new car I will every be buying. Im just saying its stealing.
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I agree with the guy above. If you blow your car up and lie to the dealer about it and it gets covered you cost everyone else money. GM doesnt fix them for free. They raise the price of their product up in order to compensate for warranty work. In the long run it costs everyone more. Just like stealing. If a store gets robbed they will increase prices in order to compensate for the loss. Your stealing free parts from your dealer by blowing your car up and getting it covered. Do I personally care. Not really because this is the last GM I will be purchasing. Also the last brand new car I will every be buying. Im just saying its stealing.
I think what the OP means is he takes his car in for ANY kind of warranty work and the dealership sees the N20 kit and they threaten to void his entire warranty. See his post about the K&N filter... He not asking how to cover his tracks if he blows his motor... he just doesn't want to get hassled when he takes his car in for some completely unrelated problem...
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I don't approve of these practices myself....it is stealing...the dealers are not that dumb though...there will always be someone that tries to beat the systems...hence the program counters in the pcm...
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Seriously, chill out buddy. It was a question; I wasn't aware I was going to get your panties in a bunch. Did I say I was going to race on the street? I'm not an idiot, I just want a little 50 shot for those days at the track when I feel like having some fun. I had a dealer try to cancel my warranty for a K&N filter, so if you are looking for sympathy from me for dealerships, whose main goal is gettting more money out of me for parts and labor I can get cheaper everywhere else, you're out of luck. If anyone else has any comments that they wish to convey with out resorting to infantile name calling, I weclome the advice.
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I'm thinking about the nitrous setup myself and since you are not far from Houston I would suggest you give A.R.D. a call. The owner runs nitrous in his SS and recently had someone offer up a V6 to test with NOS and some other mods. I'm inclined to believe they can deliver after meeting Owen and the article that was published in the 1st CamaroNow magazine.

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Pretty cut and dried. If you value the factory warranty - don't put nitrous on it. If you want to enjoy the extra blast the nitrous gives you - then by all means install it, but if you break it don't ask for GM to cover it. As far as an unrelated problem - that will undoubtedly be at the discretion of the dealership. Most are pretty decent. They really do want repeat business.

Which ever you choose - enjoy your Camaro !
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I think what the OP means is he takes his car in for ANY kind of warranty work and the dealership sees the N20 kit and they threaten to void his entire warranty. See his post about the K&N filter... He not asking how to cover his tracks if he blows his motor... he just doesn't want to get hassled when he takes his car in for some completely unrelated problem...
Exactly! If I blow my engine then I'll eat the cost, but I don't want to go in for something simple like an oil change and get denied ny warranty.
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I think what the OP means is he takes his car in for ANY kind of warranty work and the dealership sees the N20 kit and they threaten to void his entire warranty. See his post about the K&N filter... He not asking how to cover his tracks if he blows his motor... he just doesn't want to get hassled when he takes his car in for some completely unrelated problem...
As mentioned on many thread before, the only impact would be to his drive train warranty. The drive train is probably the most "bang for the bucks" warranty on the car. We all know that. He's toying around with getting more boost on the track so he could potentially bust his drive train warranty. If he's worried about his interior warranty then no sweat. You want more power on the track to burn more rubber (new tires sooner), wear the clutch out, etc........kinds sounds like a crack addict clipping coupons...I would not worry about my warranty if I was doing what your doing....
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Exactly! If I blow my engine then I'll eat the cost, but I don't want to go in for something simple like an oil change and get denied ny warranty.
Well, you were asking for advice on whether it can be "stealthy", which means HIDING it from the dealer.

Guess I was mainly reacting to DarkneSS's advice, which was about blowing the motor and the dealer supposedly not being able to notice. So it was general advice, saving you from his very bad advice, which also applies to your question: if you value your warranty, don't HIDE the nitrous.

Show your dealer, let him know you're knowledgeable about how engines work and that you know nitrous didn't cause whatever problem you're bringing it in for. But if you're bringing it in for powertrain issues, yes, you have no reason to believe they will honor your powertrain warranty if you have or are HIDING nitrous.

If you have a powertrain issue clearly not related to the issue, your only chance, again, is to be honest with them and not come in with something you think is hidden and at which they will laugh.

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Well, you were asking for advice on whether it can be "stealthy", which means HIDING it from the dealer.

Guess I was mainly reacting to DarkneSS's advice, which was about blowing the motor and the dealer supposedly not being able to notice. So it was general advice, saving you from his very bad advice, which also applies to your question: if you value your warranty, don't HIDE the nitrous.

Show your dealer, let him know you're knowledgeable about how engines work and that you know nitrous didn't cause whatever problem you're bringing it in for. But if you're bringing it in for powertrain issues, yes, you have no reason to believe they will honor your powertrain warranty if you have or are HIDING nitrous.

If you have a powertrain issue clearly not related to the issue, your only chance, again, is to be honest with them and not come in with something you think is hidden and at which they will laugh.

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Thanks! Now that's some advice I can use, I just hope I can find a dealer that is nice enough to deal with.

Another question....do you guys really think a 50 shot run at most twice a month would put my engine in danger of major problems? If so....then disregard this thread!!! LOL
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Best one ever....

On my 05 Stang... took it into the local dealership for an issue with the throttle position sensor.... Dealership warrantied it even though my N20 was installed in plain site, my WOT switch was still wired to the throttle position sensor and I still had the numbers on my windshield from the track! The service writer looked in my car to get the mileage off the odometer.... turns to me with a big grin and asks, "Why do you have a helmet in your car?" LOL! In case you are wondering no my N2O did NOT cause the TPS to go bad.. there was a know problem with a batch of them...
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Another question....do you guys really think a 50 shot run at most twice a month would put my engine in danger of major problems? If so....then disregard this thread!!! LOL
That's a better question. Do it right, have fun with it, and you'll never have to worry about dealers and warranty issues. (Long term wear issues, yes, but even these can be mitigated.)

Key thing to do it right is not skimp or go cheap. Make sure you have a complete understanding of what makes nitrous work and why, and install the safeguards appropriate for your system.

When you do that, you can give lectures to the mechanics at the dealer. I'm well known at my dealer, they installed my decidely aftermarket high-performance torque converter, and they passed the video around when I cut almost a half-second off my time with it. They were proud they had a hand in it.

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If its just a 50 shot dude I wouldnt worry about breaking anything at all. You can run a 50 shot all day long without a tune on almost any car without much issue.
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I'm having issues with a 55shot. seems like the car might be going into a safe mode, or something, where it feels like it has lost a lot of power and is shakey and louder. i have to turn the car off and turn off the power to the zex box and she runs fine. I'm almost positive it's because my car is knocking hard. I need colder plugs and a tune.

edit: i mean, i can spray for a 1/4 mile pass, and everything seems fine, but then I'll go again, and it'll do the same thing as i described above. it's very weird. I'll be going to the dyno when the new throttle body comes in to check it out.
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I'm having issues with a 55shot. seems like the car might be going into a safe mode, or something, where it feels like it has lost a lot of power and is shakey and louder. i have to turn the car off and turn off the power to the zex box and she runs fine. I'm almost positive it's because my car is knocking hard. I need colder plugs and a tune.

edit: i mean, i can spray for a 1/4 mile pass, and everything seems fine, but then I'll go again, and it'll do the same thing as i described above. it's very weird. I'll be going to the dyno when the new throttle body comes in to check it out.
Are you running 93 gas?
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no, the most we have here is 91. i run that since day 1.
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I'm having issues with a 55shot. seems like the car might be going into a safe mode, or something, where it feels like it has lost a lot of power and is shakey and louder. i have to turn the car off and turn off the power to the zex box and she runs fine. I'm almost positive it's because my car is knocking hard. I need colder plugs and a tune.

edit: i mean, i can spray for a 1/4 mile pass, and everything seems fine, but then I'll go again, and it'll do the same thing as i described above. it's very weird. I'll be going to the dyno when the new throttle body comes in to check it out.
Had the same thing with my Stang... turned out to be a flaky throttle position sensor... It didn't like the Zex box being hooked up... Would throw the car into limp home mode. Found it by data logging the throttle position sensor voltage... replaced the TPS and all was good...
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Had the same thing with my Stang... turned out to be a flaky throttle position sensor... It didn't like the Zex box being hooked up... Would throw the car into limp home mode. Found it by data logging the throttle position sensor voltage... replaced the TPS and all was good...
Interesting. That will be the first thing i tell the shop. thanks!
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